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Elderly retriever - I think we are close to the end- advice please

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BookWitch · 29/06/2020 08:47

I posted a few weeks ago about my old girl limping very badly. She is a rescue, so we are not entirely sure how old she is, at least 12, vet says maybe 14, a friends who has had lots of retrievers thinks could be as old as 15. We've had her since 2016 so we never had her as an old dog. She has been on Previcox for a while, which her insurance doesn't cover.

After a couple of consultations over the phone, the vet saw her, she was sedated and x-rayed and basically her hip is failing. She won't get better.
She is currently on painkillers, and she is honestly now not too bad, takes her a while to get up but she takes herself out to the garden for a wee, she is still limping but manages ok on the flat (can't do stairs).

Since we last saw the vet, she has now developed an ear infection. She is prone to these and her earflap fills with fluid. For this to be treated thoroughly she will need to be sedated again for the ear to be drained, and a long course of AntiBs.
She has also developed terribly restless legs and spends a lot of time with one of her back legs going as if she is scratching vigorously. Left leg slightly more than her right but she does it is both legs alternately.
Her skin is not great either, she keeps gnawing at herself and making herself sore. She's up to date with all her flea treatments, so I am confident she doesn't have fleas.

The problem is, I am so worried her quality of life is deteriorating. While she is still eating well, is wagging and enjoying the company of her humans, and is getting out to wee/poo, at what time do you make the call.
She definitely needs another trip to the vet to see if we can improve some of her conditions. She is insured, but the ear infection won't be covered as there is a 1000 pound per condition per year limit on claims, and her infections in Oct and Jan have used that, until the policy renews at the end of July. she ca't wait that long. The previcox she is on is also not covered (Though the painkillers will be).

She is such a good natured and placid dog, even if she is in pain/very uncomfortable, she won't snarl and whimper. My main concern in making her comfortable and giving her the best quality of life. I am not going to put her through anything heroic and/or endless trips to the vet. Spiraling vet costs are a concern as well, even with the insurance covering some of it.
We are not happy leaving her alone either in case she slips and can't get up, while this has been fine while we've been in lockdown, as lockdown is lifting, it is going to be an issue.

Sorry that got really long, if you got to the end, thanks for reading. At what point would you consider PTS? She had a rough start to life, I want to make sure I do right by her at the end.

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BookWitch · 02/07/2020 08:04

Morning everyone, sorry I forgot to update yesterday.

I went to the vet yesterday fully expecting not to be bringing her home, but she is still with us. Vet gave her a very thorough going over and apart from her hip, which the vet says she is walking on quite well, all the other discomforts (the restless legs, the skin gnawing, the ear infection) stem from a skin infection.
I feel so bad I didn't spot this.
She is now on Anti-Bs and Apoquel to stop the itching, and a review in two weeks to see if she is more comfortable (which the vet is confident she will be). The vet understood totally want I mean by not wanting heroic (and expensive) measures that are not in her best interests, so we will discuss again in two weeks.
But she is back home with us for now.
Thanks for all your kind words on Monday, I really appreciated it

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RickOShay · 01/07/2020 19:01

Hope all went well Flowers

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thisstooshallpass · 01/07/2020 15:54

OP I have been thinking about you.

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Hopingtobeamum · 30/06/2020 00:10

Awww sounds like your dog has the best ever owners in you who only have her best interests at heart. Whatever you decide to do will be for the best I'm sure. Take care and I can appreciate how hard this is for you x

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RickOShay · 29/06/2020 23:54

@PollyPolson
My labrador is 12 and has arthritis. He’s my best friend. Thank you for your list, luckily I can still tick most of them!
@BookWitch Fingers crossed for you and your darling on Wednesday

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Catsrus · 29/06/2020 23:18

It's the hardest part of dog ownership Sad I'm in bed with mine next to me - my golden has her head on my lap. Thirty years ago my first dog was a GR and I still remember the day she was pts.

The chewing at skin is frequently a sign of pain, dogs with bad hips do it, as we might rub a sore joint, so bear that in mind, particularly if, as you say, she's quite a stoic dog that doesn't make a fuss. She might be in real discomfort and this is the only sign

I echo what others have said about better too soon than too late, it's the last kind act we can do for them. Concentrate on that, what's the kindest thing for her? Don't give yourself a hard time either!

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BookWitch · 29/06/2020 21:47

@PollyPolson
In answer to those questions:
Yes she wags when we come into the room, lifts her head etc, sometimes tries to get up but not always.
She has never been over-keen on walks! But she still enjoys a mooch around the garden, and she esp still likes to sit on the front step and watch the world go by. She will bark if she sees another dog go past.
She is now only going into the front garden as it is flat (there is a big step down into the back which she can't manage anymore)
She does still show an interest, we also have pet rats, which she has always loved, she will still watch them running around and she watches TV - barks at most animals on TV (and Boris!- good girl)
She has lost interest in her toys, she has always liked soft toys, and likes to "kill" them, always several lying around, but I've not seen her try and pull one around for a while.

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Pelleas · 29/06/2020 12:56

I echo TARSCOUT - my dog died naturally and it was very traumatic.

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PollyPolson · 29/06/2020 12:52

It is very difficult but I tend to look at things like behaviour.

Is your dog still happy to see you?
Do they attempt to greet you when you approach them, wag their tail,lift their head etc?
Do they get excited/animated for walks(even if they can not go far)
Do they get excited/animated for food ( not just eat it because you give it to them)?
Do they have periods of the day when they are not sleeping but mooching ?
Do they show interest in what is going on in the house

If your dog is doing most of the above I would say enjoy each day as it comes be aware of changes but you have a contented dog who is still getting happiness from each day.

I also learnt that you do not need to plan the final moments - literally take each day as it comes and make a decision on a daily basis

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thisstooshallpass · 29/06/2020 12:38

Here is you need to talk before Wednesday. Xx

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BookWitch · 29/06/2020 10:24

Thanks everyone, I've just spoken to the vet. My normal surgery has just resumed appointments (I had to take her to the practice's other surgery 20 miles away for her xray, so that's good news)

They have a bit of a backlog so they can't see her until Weds, as she is not an emergency as such, but I have an appointment Weds morning and they will give her a thorough check up and review. We'll see what that brings, but I will ask the vet what they would do if she was their dog.

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TARSCOUT · 29/06/2020 10:08

I would do it now. I left my 2nd last dog just that fraction too long and can still hear her screaming as she had a stroke. I am so sorry but do it now, she's ready to go. I'm sorry.

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TheDogsMother · 29/06/2020 10:04

This was us in April. We (us and the vet) had been so distracted trying to treat a relatively minor ailment that we didn't look at the big picture. When his behaviour slowly changed we put it down to him getting older but with hindsight I think it was discomfort. During a vet visit I asked them to scan him and his kidney and liver measurements were really bad so we made the decision there and then. I still have enormous guilt that he may have been in discomfort for longer than we realised. It's a heartbreaking decision OP but perhaps better now than before she's in any pain. She's a beautiful girl. Thanks for you.

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relievedlady · 29/06/2020 09:28

@bookwitch what a beautiful girl she is.

I lost my shadow a year ago after 13 years together.
He knew every routine in the house,he was my absolute life love.

I still think about him every single day but my memories now are happy ones and we talk about him a lot and laugh where as for a long time it was just pure sadness.

It does get easier op but it's so crap at the point you are now I know

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Soubriquet · 29/06/2020 09:27

Oh look at that white face.

She’s beautiful

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RickOShay · 29/06/2020 09:26

She’s a beautiful girl. I would talk to the vet again. If I had one wish, it would be that dogs lived longer. Keep your millions.

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WantToBeMum · 29/06/2020 09:22

I don't have any useful advice because I haven't been in your position yet, but just wanted to say she's an absolute gorgeous beauty! How lucky you are to have had her, and her you.

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thisstooshallpass · 29/06/2020 09:20

@BookWitch beautiful girl.

Thinking of you xx

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BookWitch · 29/06/2020 09:19

Thanks everyone, I am now in tears but I know you are all right.
I will speak to the vet today and talk things through.

This was her last summer - she loves a pub lunch Grin

Elderly retriever - I think we are close to the end- advice please
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pomdownunder1 · 29/06/2020 09:12

Sending lots of love to you OP. We've had retrievers in our family my whole life and they are such special dogs and it's so heartbreaking when the time comes. You'll know when the time is right, all you can do is make her as comfortable as possible until you make the decision Thanks

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IdblowJonSnow · 29/06/2020 09:12

If she's comfortable and happy for now then I wouldn't have her pts yet.
Agree, speak to the vet and reassess in a few weeks.
My dog was pts when he couldn't get out to the loo and was so distressed it was really obvious and sudden thankfully.
I could cry now thinking about it and it was over 20 years ago.
I'd make the most of every day at this point.
It's really hard and you have my sympathy. Flowers

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rwalker · 29/06/2020 09:10

I think you know it's time just want reasurance .There isn't many people who will take on an older rescue it's wonderful that in her later life she has such love and care .

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Kaykay066 · 29/06/2020 09:05

Heartbreaking, our boy golden retriever was pts in may and we are all still devastated it’s such a hard thing to decide, but he’s pain free and not suffering and gave us 12 years of love
Thinking of you

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Soubriquet · 29/06/2020 09:05

One of the things that makes me think it really is time, is the fact you’re worried about leaving her on her own in case she falls down and can’t get back up.

That would be very scary to a dog, and incredibly distressing for you.

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Baybetterdays · 29/06/2020 09:03

Ps forgot to add, if you decide to give it more time/ take one day at a time you can get pet meds online for a fraction of vet costs, with a prescription from your vet. It’s less than 30 pounds for a month of Previcox that way.

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