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Greyhound troubles

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EmKR100 · 03/05/2020 13:29

Two and a half months ago we rehomed a retired racing greyhound. It’s been super hard. He has reached the point where he is pooing twice a night on the kitchen floor, he caught and killed a pigeon in his mouth in the local park yesterday while on a short lead, and he is barking and whining like mad at other dogs while on walks and in our garden at the dog on the other side of the fence.

He also has separation problems and goes crazy when we try to leave, pulling pot plants down from shelves etc. I should add he’s massive for a greyhound.

He’s got such an incredibly high prey drive combined with anxiety at being left alone which is building with the lockdown. Then suddenly he’s a sweetheart and totally placid - as long as we are sitting quietly next to him.

He never sleeps! Just is constantly unsettled and filling the house with the most toxic, terrible farts.

We are worried we are going to have to return him and I’m feeling overwhelming guilt about it.

Just wondering if anyone has ever been through this with a rescue dog where it just doesn’t seem to be working. He keeps looking at me with his big eyes but it’s really impacting our lives and making the house feel disgusting as it’s all one big room downstairs that constantly stinks of dog poo every morning.

Is anyone out there a greyhound owner? Have we been unlucky with the match? We’re wondering about fostering to see if we can find a dog who is more like the traditional greyhound who likes a good old sleep and is happy lounging about. And won’t need to be muzzled on every single walk. Bluey just has the prey drive of a tiger.

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Windyatthebeach · 05/05/2020 23:45

In tears at the above...
Sad

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Dobbytheelf · 05/05/2020 23:22

I found this really helpful.

What is your new adopted Greyhound thinking?

This breed has never been asked to do anything for itself, make any decisions or answer any questions. It has been waited on, paw and tail. The only prohibition in a racing Greyhound's life is not to get into a fight -- or eat certain stuff in the turnout paddock.

Let us review a little. From weaning until you go away for schooling, at probably a year and a half, you eat, grow and run around with your siblings. When you go away to begin your racing career, you get your own "apartment," in a large housing development. No one is allowed in your bed but you, and when you are in there, no one can touch you, without plenty of warning.

Someone hears a vehicle drive up, or the kennel door being unlocked. The light switches are flipped on. The loud mouths in residence, and there always are some, begin to bark or howl. You are wide awake by the time the human opens your door to turn you out. A Greyhound has never been touched while he was asleep.

You eat when you are fed, usually on a strict schedule. No one asks if you are hungry or what you want to eat. You are never told not to eat any food within your reach. No one ever touches your bowl while you are eating. You are not to be disturbed because it is important you clean your plate.

You are not asked if you have to "go outside." You are placed in a turn out paddock and it isn't long before you get the idea of what you are supposed to do while you are out there. Unless you really get out of hand, you may chase, rough house and put your feet on everyone and everything else. The only humans you know are the "waiters" who feed you, and the "restroom attendants" who turn you out to go to the bathroom. Respect people? Surely you jest.

No one comes into or goes out of your kennel without your knowledge. You are all-seeing and all-knowing. There are no surprises, day in and day out. The only thing it is ever hoped you will do is win, place or show, and that you don't have much control over. It is in your blood, it is in your heart, it is in your fate-- or it is not.

And when it is not, then suddenly you are expected to be a civilized person in a fur coat. But people don't realize you may not even speak English. Some of you don't even know your names, because you didn't need to. You were not asked or told to do anything as an individual; you were always part of the "condo association"; the sorority or fraternity and everyone did everything together, as a group or pack. The only time you did anything as an individual is when you schooled or raced, and even then, You Were Not Alone.

Suddenly, he is expected to behave himself in places he's never been taught how to act. He is expected to take responsibility for saying when he needs to go outside, to come when he is called, not to get on some or all of the furniture, and to not eat food off counters and tables. He is dropped into a world that is not his, and totally without warning, at that.

Almost everything he does is wrong. Suddenly he is a minority. Now he is just a pet. He is unemployed, in a place where people expect him to know the rules and the schedule, even when there aren't any. (How many times have you heard someone say, "He won't tell me when he has to go out." What kind of schedule is that?) Have you heard the joke about the dog who says, "My name is No-No Bad Dog. What's yours?" To me that is not even funny. All the protective barriers are gone.

There is no more warning before something happens. There is no more strength in numbers. He wakes up with a monster human face two inches from his. Why should he not, believe that this "someone," who has crept up on him, isn't going to eat him for lunch? (I really do have to ask you to consider how you would react if someone you barely knew crawled up on you while you were asleep?)

Now he is left alone, for the first time in his life, in a strange place, with no idea of what will happen or how long it will be before someone comes to him again. If he is not crated, he may go through walls, windows or over fences, desperately seeking something familiar, something with which to reconnect his life. If he does get free, he will find the familiarity, within himself: the adrenaline high, the wind in his ears, the blood pulsing and racing through his heart once again--until he crashes into a car.

Often, the first contact with his new family is punishment, something he's never had before, something he doesn't understand now, especially in the middle of the rest of the chaos. And worst of all, what are the most common human reactions to misbehavior? We live in a violent society, where the answer to any irritation is a slap, punch, kick, whip, or rub your nose in it. Under these circumstances, sometimes I think any successful adoption is a miracle.

He is, in effect, expected to have all the manners of at least a six-year old child. But, how many of you would leave an unfamiliar six-year old human alone and loose in your home for hours at a time and not expect to find who knows what when you got back? Consider that if you did, you could be brought up on charges of child abuse, neglect and endangerment. Yet, people do this to Greyhounds and this is often the reason for so many returns.

How many dogs have been returned because they did not know how to tell the adopter when they had to go out? How many for jumping on people, getting on furniture, counter surfing, separation anxiety, or defensive actions due to being startled or hurt (aka growling or biting)? So, let's understand: Sometimes it isn't the dog's "fault" he cannot fit in. He is not equipped with the social skills of a six- year old human but you can teach him.

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Dobbytheelf · 05/05/2020 23:15

What food is your Grey on?
Muzzle at all times when out of the house for at least a few weeks, months or years if you have one with a high prey drive like yours. Mine was calmed by the muzzle. It's what they know.
What times are you feeding and what is the sleeping situation?
Are you on the Facebook group Retired Greyhound Chat? LOADS of good Greyhound specific advice on there, they got me through at first. They're not like other dogs but they can mostly be lovely, happy family dogs if you can 'unlock' them if they're the more difficult types.

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OliveToboogie · 05/05/2020 22:50

, @FelicityFlockheart we will agree to disagree.

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FelicityFlockheart · 05/05/2020 22:47

@OneOfTheGrundys I'm being very supportive of the op. Not spiteful at all.

However, I understand that some posters on here won't here a bad word said about greyhounds. Even when they're shitting everywhere, making a whole house stink and have behavioural issues galore.

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FelicityFlockheart · 05/05/2020 22:46

@OliveToboogie I'm sure he's very nice and yep, of course greyhounds deserve to be treated well. All animals do

My point is that these hulking great hounds are not for everyone. They're generally large, not massively nice to look at (although I know they're adorable to their owners!) and they're a bloody handful - coming from kennels and generally not having lived as pets in homes before

And yet still posters on here bizarrely recommend them left right and centre. This post shows full well why they're a bad idea for a lot of folk / this dog is a poor match for the op and she should fit her losses and hand it back

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OliveToboogie · 05/05/2020 22:17

@FelicityFlockheart my Grey is adorable absolutely loved by whole family. They deserve all the love and respect in the world. Treated very cruelly by humans just to make money.

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Veterinari · 05/05/2020 07:27

*APBC website Confused

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Veterinari · 05/05/2020 07:26

@EmKR100
It would be worth getting him properly assessed by a behaviourist (see the apocalypse website). The pooing, inability to settle and separation behaviours indicate generalised anxiety which usually needs meds to manage initially.

He sounds very anxious and has clearly had a lot of recent change

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vanillandhoney · 05/05/2020 07:22

I kind of agree with @FelicityFlockheart in that greys and lurchers are often recommended without any real consideration for the owners or how difficult they can be.

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OneOfTheGrundys · 05/05/2020 07:18

@FelicityFlockheart what odd, spiteful behaviour to jump on a clearly titled and clearly motivated thread to make your own point? Op wants help... not ‘I told you so’.

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OneOfTheGrundys · 05/05/2020 07:11

At the moment he doesn't understand what being a 'pet' means.
This. We have had grey after grey and what they have in common is often this.
We feed ours ONLY Burns Sensitive duck and brown rice and it’s been a game changer. Fewer farts, smaller poos but nothing else. The odd tiny treat but no rawhide etc.
WRT the bigger picture. There is no shame, none, in admitting he’s too much for you. The digestive stuff, the prey drive are standard. But the separation and stress are hard work and if you are really struggling do return him. No one is happy, least of all the dog.
Also, RGT. our adoptees from there have been ok and they’ve been really helpful with issues. But I do think smaller, foster based rescues can know a dog better before rejoining.
We have returned one grey. She was endlessly aggressive to our older dog in the home, especially over me and sharing my attention. She attacked our older dog and nearly bit his eye out. She was rehomed from there really fast and successfully as we were able to give so much info. She lives like a Queen now in a big house in Epping Forest!
Greys are fab.

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userxx · 05/05/2020 06:40

@FelicityFlockheart maybe the suggestion for greyhounds is due to the fact there are thousands of them wanting and waiting to be homed, some people actually think about the dog and it's needs rather than their own. Clearly you're not one of those, so knock yourself out, go and find a dog you deem pretty 🙄

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happyandsingle · 05/05/2020 00:51

@FelicityFlockheart you sound horrible.

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MyGirlDaisy · 05/05/2020 00:03

I have a Greyhound and it took 18 months for his personality to fully come out. When I think back to his early days he must have been really scared. We muzzled for the first few months and even now he is muzzled when off lead, although a high percentage of Greyhounds don’t have recall so are always on lead. He sleeps in our room so if he needs to go out at night (rare but does happen) we hear him. I would, as others have advised, get him checked by your vet, whilst they are known for farts to clear a room my boy can no longer tolerate beef and a change of diet has worked wonders. Someone recommended Facebook groups, which I would definitely second and also speak to the rescue for advice. Your boy sounds sad and stressed, bless him. They do make wonderful pets, any dog, rescue or puppy away from mum for first few weeks are hard work but I can’t imagine being without my boy now, I hope you reach a solution.

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StormBaby · 04/05/2020 23:38

I'd say 98‰ of retired racers are lazy couch potatoes. You may just have a bad match. I'd seriously consider speaking to the rescue, they are used to this happening sometimes unfortunately. My greyhound is so calm and sleepy, we barely know we have him. I sometimes have to poke in the mornings to check he's not dead! Fostering first is a great idea too.
I will say that these dogs are completely institutionalised, imagine a child born in a prison environment, then let out at age 18. They've never seen other dogs, never shared bed space with humans, never been alone in a home, never seen a TV or stairs, never played with a dog toy. It can take 6-12 months for them to learn how to 'dog'

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FelicityFlockheart · 04/05/2020 23:31

@userxx would they? They're ugly dogs too. This board can't seem to recommend just something nice, normal and average. A spaniel, a goldie, a poodle.:. It's all greyhounds and lurchers. Yuk

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sunshinestanley · 04/05/2020 19:38

I feel for you - this must be so hard. There are a lot of assumptions on this thread about greyhounds. I do believe you have a rescue dog problem, not a greyhound problem.

I have a greyhound who happily lives with chickens. She is kept on a lead on walks apart from fenced dog exercise areas. I know of a shitzhu, a Border terrier and a staffie that have all caught and killed hedgehogs, rats and birds. Yes greys may have a higher prey drive, but so too do many other breeds.

I agree that your boy sounds stressed. Did you get him from a specific greyhound rescue? Perhaps they will have some ideas (though it does sound like you have been poorly matched) Flowers

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Shambolical1 · 04/05/2020 19:26

It's not normal for a dog - any dog - to be pooing that much. Some of the 'specialist' greyhound food that's fed by trainers and recommended to new owners actually contains so little nourishment that they have to eat loads of it to get any benefit and then all the useless stuff comes out the other end, often in the form of sloppy poo or worse. If he's on any of those foods, GRADUALLY change him onto a decent food. Have a look on //www.allaboutdogfood.co.uk for independent reviews but as a rough guide look for something you need to feed about half as much of (weight-wise) as the greyhound food.

If he's already on decent food, I'd get him checked at the vet as soon as you can to make sure he doesn't have a gut problem. I'd ditch the rawhide, it can be physically dangerous as it becomes slimy and can be accidentally swallowed in bits which are too big to digest and it's also prepared using horrible chemicals. It won't be helping the farting either! There are rawhide-free alternatives.

For dealing with separation anxiety have a read here: greyhoundgap.proboards.com/thread/29758

At the moment he doesn't understand what being a 'pet' means. He's likely been kept in a kennel 23hrs a day then come out to run all fired up with prey drive fully deployed. Prey drive can be dealt with; a muzzle (a proper greyhound one) is an essential while he's 'de-tuned'.

There's lots of greyhound owner's groups on Facebook with plenty of good advice. Honestly, they are brilliant dogs - they just need initial understanding.

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PencilFace · 04/05/2020 17:10

I dont have a grey but I have a whippet who is very very hard work. If you search my name you will find all the problems I have had with him some similar to yours.

Mine does not go off the lead now unless we are at the secure paddock we rent by the hour. I know this is not something you can do now but may be worth checking out for the future, they do love a run.

I walk mine on a harness which fastens on his back and on his chest to give me more control. If walked on a normal lead he lunges at cats and has nearly pulled me over, I am so scared he will grab one and kill it...the prey drive is a nightmare!

They can be very sweet and gentle dogs but I would not have another, I do think they can be much much harder work than people realise.

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userxx · 04/05/2020 14:10

most people get something smaller and err nicer looking

Well those kind of peoople would get a grey french bull dog wouldn't they.

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FelicityFlockheart · 04/05/2020 09:19

I never understand the love for retired greyhounds on here. Especially when they're recommended for first time owners. In the real world, most people get something smaller and err nicer looking (apologies to greyhound owners)

Just sounds like loads of hard work for you and you can't have him using your house as a giant toilet. I think your instincts to return are spot on

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Puddlesplasher · 03/05/2020 23:14

He sounds very stressed and struggling to adapt to living in a home and the farting and pooing are likely to be physical manifestations of this. You have been given lots of good advice already so I will try not to repeat things.

First of all have you contacted the rescue and discussed with them and asked for advice? Was he being fostered or in kennels before you got him? If he was fostered then it might be helpful to speak to his fosterer. Has he got a crate? Greyhounds are used to being in crates in racing kennels and he may feel much more secure if he has a crate he can go to (leave the door open) and be pretty much ignored. If you keep trying to engage with him and fuss him that can be stressful for him. It's good to be quite hands off at first and let him find his own feet.

I'm not sure why you're keen for him not to wear a muzzle. Being muzzled on every walk is absolutely fine and is for your dog's protection just as much as for pigeons/cats/other dogs. If your dog is on a lead, wearing a muzzle and an off lead dog comes up to him (particularly a small one which may trigger his prey drive) then your dog is fully in control and can't be accused of being a dangerous dog. A dog with a high prey drive can't be let off the lead unless in a secure field or a deserted beach.

Has he been wormed since you had him? If not make sure he is wormed in case worms are causing his digestive issues. Our girl had been living in foster care for three months, vet checked and wormed but it became apparent shortly after getting her that she had a heavy worm infestation and once that was treated and she settled in to life with us then her digestive problems eased. Two food brands that are good for my dog's tummy are Barking Heads Fusspot and Taste of the Wild, Pacific Stream. Anything else gives her very loose bowel movements.

Have you tried distracting him with a treat when he sees other dogs? Treat him every time he looks away from them and get him to focus on you, With time he will hopefully just look to you rather than react to other dogs. It might be worth looking for a dog trainer than can do a few training sessions with you.

Good luck. It's still early days. You don't mention how old he is but he's only been with you for a couple of months and has suddenly had everything that's familiar to him disappear. It will take time for him to adjust. Let us know how you forget on.

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Windyatthebeach · 03/05/2020 22:00

My new dpuppy has a greyhound grandparent! Any chance of a glimpse of yours op??
Smile

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Honkingallthewaytothebank · 03/05/2020 21:16

@banjodoggo was it really a surprise that a 25+ kg dog did big poos, was ‘massive’ and had a deep bark?

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