Breeders can't let puppies go to new home?

[hipslikecinderella]

I've had an email from a breed club committee member suggesting that breeders can't let puppies go to a new home at this time.

Also had a look on Kennel Club site, which is saying that collecting a puppy is not 'essential travel' so that ties in with this.

Does anyone know the actual situation?

So tricky all around, I wouldn't want to get anyone into trouble, or myself. But equally, people's businesses will surely suffer?

I fear when this is over there will be a lot of 5-6 month old puppies in shelters. Buyers won’t have got them before the lockdown and rather than get an older, possibly under socialised puppy will start again.

Any decent breeder would hold on to the puppies for a few more weeks. It’s in everyone’s best interest, not least the pup.
Also now is no time to be bringing a new puppy home, when family life is so much different.

Here’s hoping he can be microchipped and vaccinated soon. Not sure the breeder has done legally the right thing though.
I’m trying to teach the little wolfhound to wait. It’s a work in progress!

@Wolfiefan (and little wolfhound) - good luck with the waiting...
I agree there are serious downsides to this. But I had to trust that the breeder was recommending the right thing for the puppy. I know she's held on to some, where she wasn't sure of/hadn't properly met the potential owners. Now he's here, we just need to make the best job of this that we can. We've registered him with a vet, and they're calling as soon as it's going to be possible to vaccinate and chip. And we're taking him out for walks in our arms (not putting him down, obviously) to get him used to the sights and smells (from a distance) at least.

I was due to pick my puppy up in 4 weeks time. I hope that still happens, but if it doesn’t I know she is in the best place to learn socialisation from her litter mates. The breeder is doing all she can to socialise the pups too.

@hipslikecinderella I collected a pup yesterday and did this and it was fine. We left our crate outside our car, owner came out with the pup wrapped in a blanket its mother had been using and put him in the crate with documents in a plastic bag. We then got out when they left and put crate in the car, took pup out for a cuddle then headed home. We all had gloves and masks on.

Our pup is 4 weeks old. Breeder (ex boss who I know incredibly well, second litter of pups she's ever had in the 10 years I've known her). I really hope we can get her. She was intending to hold on to pups til 9 weeks anyway. They will be socialised but sadly not with children due to the current situation- breeder has no children but does have nieces and staff with kids who would normally have visited regularly. She also won't let them go without being chipped and fist vaccinations which is understandable but longer for a breed who isn't always best with kids (however this isn't true of the breeding line of these particular pups) to be unsocialised with them. It's a really difficult situation. Praying in 5 weeks something has been relaxed somewhere along the line or dc will be heartbroken. Thankfully the worry of seeing pup with their mum etc is alleviated in my case and contactless collection wouldn't matter too much

@JosieJosie1 no decent breeder would do this. It’s completely contrary to KC advice.
Dreadful.

@Wolfiefan I didn’t get the dog from a big breeder. An elderly couple who have a male dog and their daughter has a female dog decided to breed them. The dogs were brought up in the family home on the family farm. The couple are now going into isolation and were worried about the puppies and their socialisation and finding them homes. As I know the family and they know me we said we would take one home. There was nothing dreadful about it. Pup had 2 months with its mother and siblings in a nice family environment. He is vaccinated and microchipped, wormed and had had a vet check and is currently snoozing in his basket in front of our fire. So what is dreadful about that?

What’s awful about backyard breeders making a buck? Animal welfare? Lack of breed specific health testing? Sending pups home when vets can’t do routine vaccinations. Your pup won’t be fully covered. Defying government and KC advice. This wasn’t essential travel.
FFS.
There was pretty much nothing right about it.

Ok then. So what about the puppies that were conceived before the lockdown. What happens to them? What if the breeder doesn’t have the means or can’t afford to keep them? I think this would be an essential journey due to animal welfare.

@Wolfiefan I’m not in the UK. The pup had a full vet check, micro chipped and first set of vaccinations yesterday and my family vet has agreed to do the second set in a few weeks when due. Pup is fully insured.

So your preference is that only big breeders can make all the bucks? Parents were fully checked for genetic conditions associated with the breed. I saw the test results. Dogs grow up in the family home. Farmers do know a thing or two about animals btw

@Wolfiefan sorry if my experience doesn’t fit your agenda!

Jesus christ. People need to calm down.

Nothing is ideal.

Puppies can not stay with the breeder indefinitely. We have no idea when this is going to be over. Ideally breeders would keep them a few extra weeks.

But given that people are getting seriously ill and cant guarantee they can provide everything the puppies need, sometimes things don't work out in the best way.

Quite frankly, KC recommendations means nothing. Lots of shit breeders are KC and KC definitely dont always act in the best interest of the dogs.

Travelling due to animal welfare, is allowed. I have done it. If a breeder can no longer physically look after the pups, decisions need to be made.

Of course some shitty breeders will take this and use it to their advantage.

But pups are born or going to be born soon in less than ideal conditions. Even good breeders are in this position. There is no ideal outcome.

Why cant people just try and actually be decent rather than having a go.

If you disagree with dog breeding, you shouldnt have a dog. No breeder does this as a voluntary or community service.

The only thing that would stop breeders, would for people to stop buying or adopting dogs.

Even rescue dogs were a result of a breeder at some point. The breeder got money for it when it was born.

People on this thread are trying to do and plan to do what's best for the dog. The sneering is uncalled for.

As above!

Finally someone who seems to talk some sense.

Some people are trying to do the best.
Others think it’s fine for breeders to be in it for the money. And only that.
Good breeders select parents with great care. They health test and spend hours and £££ raising their pups to the very best of their ability.
They should be able and willing to hang onto them a few weeks.

@Wolfiefan you have no idea which category the breeders, that the pp have bought from are.

You are missing the point. It may not be a few weeks. It could possibly be a few months.

If you are going into isolation or sick, it may not be the best thing to keep them.

I work with a rescue and have fostered and adopted many dogs. The rescue had to rehome some cockerpoos last year, because the breeder dropped dead. Hee daughter could continue their care. So the rescue took them into foster at 7 weeks. Far from ideal, but given the situation it was best all round.

Sometimes awful things happen. Like covid. Most people are trying their best. Your sneering attitude to poster who you believe have done it wrong, is helping who exactly?

My “sneering”? Nice choice of words.
Actually I’m angry. At the backyard breeders and the commercial breeders and the puppy farmers and all those who support them.
HTH

@wolfiefan yet you got a dog from a breeder? I presume your breeder was fantastic and not in it to make money etc? You only have an issue with all breeders bar your own. Seems a bit hypocritical.

Nope @JosieJosie1
I have two dogs from breeders. Both bred because the breeder wanted to maintain their lines and keep a dog from the new litter to do so.
These are people who breed with health and longevity and welfare at the very heart of what they do.
Most breeders don’t.

Sneering yes. Bollocking a pp about how bad their breeder was because you know all breeders and their motivation.

Maybe it's not ideal. But how is that helping right now?

You little passive aggressive HTH, didnt even make sense. You arent angry at a breeder, you are sneering (yes sneering) at a poster who made a decision that they felt was best at the time.

You think the breeder must be so awful. So the pp should have left the pup with them? The awful breeder?

No. People should be careful when choosing a breeder. If nobody bought from the BYB or puppy farms etc then they wouldn’t make money but would stop breeding.
It’s up to people to make the right and the ethical decision. That may mean waiting. That may mean rescuing. But it certainly doesn’t mean buying from a greeder. Not a typo BTW.
And yes. HTH.

The poster above clearly isn’t willing to listen to others opinions and has a ‘perfect’ one of her own. I’m sorry OP, mumsnet is somewhere that should be supportive.

Wheres you evidence anyone bought from a bad back yard breeder?

And I very much doubt, anyone means to it. No one gets up and say 'I am going to go get a dog from a puppy farm today'.

But unfortunately the internet, especially this particular part of it, is so judge people dont want ask for advice. People who frequent this part of MN consistently, think their breeder was a saint and everyone elses was evil.

The puppies are all ready born. It may jot be a few weeks breeders may get sick and not be able to provide care. Even the good ones. A decision, sometimes need to be made even though it's not ideal.

Again, who exactly are you helping? The puppies? You arent helping anyone.

Just getting s kick out of being superior. Which very rarely ends with someone actually listening to what you have said

What exactly do you call it when a family decides to breed two random dogs and sell the puppies?
That IS a backyard breeder. It doesn’t matter if they’re nice people or the puppies are cute. It’s not where people should buy puppies from.
Unfortunately you can’t educate selfish people who care about nothing but what they want.