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Feeling awful, struggling with my 13 week old puppy & considering rehoming or sending back to breeder... :(

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beingniceiscool11 · 18/06/2019 23:08

Please go easy on me... I have had some worsening and unexpectedly escalating life issues come up which means I may have to go back to the family court with my abusive ex-partner and I feel like my life is about to go upside down again, and was already starting to struggle a bit with my 13 week old Italian Greyhound x Whippet girl managing her with my 5 year old...

I did so much research, have watched hours of puppy training videos, spoke to owners of the breed, and everyone I knew with dogs to get advice. The only people who said don't get a puppy were people who didn't have dogs & who I knew were commitment phobes themselves in general, or my single friends without kids who loved travelling & couldn't understand why I wanted a pet, so I sort of discounted their advice as they weren't in the same lifestyle as mine which is very settled - I can't go away travelling for a long time anyway because of my daughter, I never party or anything etc etc, my life revolves around school run and I put a lot of thought into the decision to now take on a pet - living in a bigger house with secure downstairs areas, a garden, long lease that allows pets etc.

I thought about the fact I work part-time from home so would be able to dedicate time to puppy, we live in the countryside - I was in a really settled good place in my life & within myself, and felt I had a lot to give to a puppy/companion/lifetime pet and that my daughter old enough now & was ready for a pet in her life to grow up with. ... I've been training her since day 1 (got her at 8 weeks) and she is a really good girl, mostly... but my daughter who is nearly 5 has sensory processing issues and I am a single parent so if I have to deal with my daughter having a meltdown... thought they were getting more infrequent...but since puppy and her Dad keeping her up really late and taking her to loads of overstimulating events over half term and her not adjusting to this change well, she has been having more meltdowns again and i am concerned that this will make the puppy anxious/already is as she is home for a few days, then with her Dad for 2 days... then home for 5 days.... I have to keep them separate a lot as puppy has started acting quite "sassy" and disobedient at times - guarding the sofa, we cannot sit down on it anymore if puppy is "loose" as it's too stressful to try and keep her off, and if she comes on she launches herself really forcefully at our faces and hair, eyes, snapping and biting, if I command her "off" which she used to obey.... she starts barking and growling, lunging, snapping..... and so I find this stressful to manage if both of them are there.... if my daughter wants to watch TV she has to go upstairs and watch on tablet (puppy not allowed upstairs yet) and I have to stay downstairs with puppy either playing with her or training her/watching her to make sure she doesn't get into stuff, so I feel SO sad that I'm not spending any time with my daughter when she is home.... which isn't all the time anyway. I feel super super sad about this and have had a reaction similar to post natal depression or grief at this change in our lives and feeling like "What have I done?" I have been getting my stress eczema on my hands, palms of my hands skin peeling off & very painful and itchy since we had the puppy !

My DD has some really sweet moments with the puppy and is helping with training and enjoying it, but also even though I have been watching her, the puppy has snapped and bitten DD (warning her) when DD was kneeling down next to her bed.... so puppy is not sure about DD... she half loves her and half is unsettled by her unpredictable-ness or loudness I feel. And I don't want DD to get hurt or bitten. Then I feel guilty for puppy having to be in crate if I want to cuddle with my daughter or focus on her properly or cook dinner.... even when I do make time for her to let off steam, walks and play but I still feel guilty. I worry she's just got a hyper anxious temperament suddenly since ...well after the first week we got her of tiny puppyhood...she quickly went very hyper and into having "puppy tantrums" and not being able to calm down .. (she was the sleepiest and meekest of the litter!!)

I feel I can't keep up with how much play she wants...and I've heard so much conflicting advice like - tire them out and play a lot they need it ...to...Don't give them any more attention that you would be able to as an adult dog otherwise they'll be sad when it changes, they need to get used to how your life is (me working on computer and doing house work - I really need to !!) .

She sleeps all night in her crate downstairs and she's SO good she hardly whines at all just 1 minute but she used to not whine at all just flop down to sleep, but now she seems more aware she whines a little... she has learnt house training really well, as I was super on it, within 2 days she had no accidents and she now takes herself outside or asks if door isn't open.
Although randomly she did half a poo outside and then came inside and did the rest next to me in the kitchen recently which made me feel again worried like oh god is she stressed ???
But she is "naughty" when she plays - looking at me and ignoring toys I offer.... only interested in really aggressive tug of war or ragging her soft toys to "kill" them. Not a lot of medium energy it's just asleep or ZOOMING AND DESTROYING.
Last week or so she is literally ONLY going for things to play with that I've said "ah -ah/no" to...(whilst redirecting her to what she can chew/play with) if I say no ah-ah to one thing, she will dart to the next thing she knows that I've said "ah-ah" to... and then the next, and then look up at me really sneaky and jump up onto sofa and then start guarding it and snapping at me when I say "off" and try and move her off.

She knows a lot of commands already ie. sit, wait, come up, off, drop it (doesn't obey this one often), heel, come, but she suddenly choosing to ignore commands....
I have become a bit firmer in my tone of voice the last few days and she seems to be being more obedient. But I was worried she was trying to dominate / had some sort of aggression issues starting.... she would try and get as high as she could on sofa and snap at me if I came near/bark... kind of playing but kind of like "challenge me and this is what you get" kind of vibes !
Any time she gets a challenge like me laying down boundary of like no you can't dig in the lawn, she looks up at me and snaps at me...! I try to take her collar off or put her harness on - she snaps at me ! And she still seeks me out for cuddles with wagging tail in morning but as the day goes on, when she's not so sleepy anymore, she just doesn't seem to be able to calm down and can't cuddle on my lap very easily without mouthing or trying to climb all over me and get as high as she can on me. I offer her a chew toy on my lap and she'll do that for a bit, but prefers trying to play fight with me and she's really forceful and fast now so sometimes she really clonks her head on my jaw and I'm sure it hurts her, and hurts me ! Now I'm worried that I just can't keep up with what she needs, or provide a calm and stimulating enough environment for her, I'm home with her all the time - TOO much maybe although I can go out and leave her for 1.5 hours if she's sleeping. So I feel suffocated, isolated... I have socialised her but it's stressful as well as she gets so over excited !! She stares at every car, person in the street and immediately jumps towards and lunges at the people to jump up on them. If guests come to the house and I've said please wait to greet her until she's calmed down and stops jumping, or if we're at someone's house and she's sitting on my lap and I've told her to settle down, she whines loudly and almost howls as I'm talking to the other person if they are not giving her attention !!
She's more polite and submissive with dogs.
I feel I can't keep her entertained, and she has a Kong and stuff I fill for her that she likes...puzzle chew, wooden chews and nylabone etc... nothing keeps her interested for very long !

I'm just regretting it all...worrying about her...worrying about my DD... feel I can't give my best to both...and it's triggering depression and anxiety in me which I NEVER expected. Even though she sleeps through night and doesn't soil house !!

I feel if I was single with no child I could manage this, but with the inconsistency of every time DD comes home, it's so hard... is unsettling for me, probably for DD too and I worry for puppy too.

Can't help feeling someone would give her a better home and sad that I'm finding it hard to properly "fall in love" with her, although I defo have moments of feeling like i am !! And I feel very protective towards her like I would do anything for her safety and I want to make her happy and love when our training sessions are going well and she seems happy. But my patience and stress levels are stretched.
And DD will always come first... I wanted the experience of having a companion in our household that was a chilled, cuddly sofa dog who I could take on big runs and walks and be in nature with ...but it feels like it'll take a long time to get to this point, and she's SO hyperactive and over excited with other people I feel it's hard to take her places with DD as well and manage both responsibly. I do manage...but it's stressful and takes a toll. At end of day I'm exhausted and when puppy wakes up after I've put DD to bed, for her final play session before bed I am just like Noooooooooo I can't stand this I just want to chill out, zone out, meditate, go to bed, get in the bath...but I can't. Every night. Every morning, feels like no lie-ins ever again even if my DD is at her Dad's....did I choose wrong breed? Am I not a dog person ?

Will it get better?

Advice??

I will feel I'll let the lovely puppy and DD down if I give up.... but I feel so unhappy so regularly about it. Saddest thing is, that she knows where home is when we're out on a walk she always trots back to our exact front door and waits for me to get keys out...she knows it's her home. It breaks my heart that I can't be totally in love and taking it in my stride ! ...and she is such a quick learner and so clever. I must be doing something wrong, I'm pretty sure it's not her, it's the environment, or me not knowing how much high energy and high excitement this breed had, or puppies have & for how long - not knowing quite how many months or YEARS apparently it goes on for.... !

I feel very apprehensive about future and feel like I'm just "getting through each day" & like my life has been turned upside down and is about to get even more stressful with family court process. Is it fair to puppy and DD if I can't be a strong and loving leader and owner ? I just almost want to fast forward to her being a chilled out obedient, calm, happy, enjoys-walks, older dog. And feel so bad for feeling this way.

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rookiemere · 29/06/2019 16:44

Well done OP sounds like you've sorted things out in your head.

I felt overwhelmed by DDog up to a month or so ago - it had been DHs idea and I was just annoyed by the perennial muck of the house, the cost of dog walking and the faff of trying to organise holiday care. But then I thought of being without him and realised that I so love him would never get another one mind , even DH is saying one and done.

We have a borrowmydoggy lovely person who dotes on DDog and loves taking him out at the weekend ( he's with her today) and that really helps. Dogs I think are a bit like DCs - you only realise how much they mean to you when they aren't around ! I think a bit of space and time will be perfect for your DD and yourself and I'm sure dpup will enjoy the extra attention.

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Floralnomad · 28/06/2019 21:53

Pleased to hear it’s turned a corner , what I would say is don’t get too bogged down with talk of a dog trying to be dominant because it’s absolute bollocks , your dog knows she is a dog and knows you are not a dog , she’s not trying to dominate you she is just wanting to sit on the sofa because that’s where it’s most comfortable .

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beingniceiscool11 · 28/06/2019 20:11

It didn’t feel right whatsoever to contact breeder and return her for them to choose what happens with her. Last week suddenly things have turned a corner. As soon as I told someone in real life (my Mum and one of my best friends) how I had been feeling and how hard I had been finding it, and had a good cry, as well as being heard here on this thread, it felt like a weight had been lifted and suddenly my puppy started being super chill, occupying herself for the most part & have been working on the dominance thing of her not being on sofa, and she has also then been less snappy and reactive to my daughter...
I also had a client of mine who works all day but fell in love with puppy and said he’d been thrilled to be able to help with her dog sitting on the weekends or evenings take her for walks if I had my daughter which would be perfect for summer days when it’s a bit too hot to walk in the day & I can’t the leave house when my daughter in bed.
And would enable me to have some quality time with DD on a weekend that I have her for example.
Puppy just had her first walk with him this arvo and they had a great time ! I felt so much calmer and happier knowing she wasn’t left at home during school run (when she needed afternoon/evening walk) and I didn’t have to take her on hot car ride. And then she was tired after walk so me and DD had lovely time together after school whilst she amused herself lying in sun with a toy.
Even just that small bit of help today really made a huge difference
So I can see postitive future now.
I feel this week I’ve really properly bonded with her & it’s finally clicked.
I can see that I’m not trapped and that the puppy crazy stuff will fade away. And I cannot believe how chilled she has been this week. No zoomies in the house, and minimal destructiveness or snappiness in general.
I feel much more positive that I can make this work for all of us. And I feel far more able to cope myself if I have some support which I feel like I do now.

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tabulahrasa · 24/06/2019 19:36

“Yes she is behaving like a puppy but I don't see any other puppies springing into the air up to adults and children's faces as if she's on speed.”

Oh they definitely do...and grab flappy clothing and decide moving feet are a good toy...

The thing is, the fact that it’s just pretty standard puppy behaviour is a good thing - if you want to keep her, you just need someone to teach you how to train her, that’s a much easier thing than dealing with actual problem behaviours or a dog with deep seated issues.

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Costacoffeeplease · 24/06/2019 17:37

I know exactly what you mean Hodge

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TheHodgeoftheHedge · 24/06/2019 17:02

I have to admit, this is where I start to lose my patience a bit. The numbers of people who post claiming "I did tons of research" and yet seem shocked that puppies are needy, eat and destroy things they shouldn't and are generally arseholes for months. No, you obviously didn't do your research properly. Like so many people before you, you only heard the nice bits you want to hear.

For instance, you did your research on these breeds - why did you go for a cross then? There is nothing bad about a mongrel, but most decent breeders involved with either breed would not be breeding crosses (and it sounds like yours isn't that great if they're recommending alpha rolls). Both breeds are very emotionally sensitive - which sounds like such a poor fit for your situation and your DD. Again, something about puppies makes people read what they want to and ignore the bits they don't want to. I have seen hundreds of time with my rescue work.

Sorry OP, i'm not trying to kick you while you're down. As I said previously, you're doing the right thing in returning it to the breeder. But I do get frustrated seeing these mistakes over and over and over and over again.

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Bookworm4 · 24/06/2019 17:01

I wouldn’t return to the breeder who thinks alpha rolling and dominance is the way to train tiny dogs🙄

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adaline · 24/06/2019 16:51

There are threads on here most days about the puppy blues/puppy regret. I'd certainly heard of it before we even decided to get our puppy.

The behaviour you describe is normal - mine was a bouncy, jumpy, bitey horror for a good 7-8 months. He's calmer now at 16 months but definitely still has his moments. I noticed a change in his behaviour at 12 months and again at 14 months.

Puppies aren't easy - they need consistency, continuous work and input. Mine still gets trained on a daily basis - sits, waits, recall, tricks, lie-down, settle - I envisage it happening everyday for the rest of his life, to be honest. If it's not working for you that's okay, though.

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beingniceiscool11 · 24/06/2019 16:49

I didn’t know Mumsnet had a doghouse board so no I hadn’t seen any threads.
I just talked to dog owners that I know in real life (one with a whippet who has kids too..) & if I saw a whippet in the street I would chat to their owners. I heard IG’s can be goofy but I didn’t know how high the energy was... just had no idea of how long the puppy stage would go on for & again the only difficulties I heard of was the toilet training and night whining ... and chewing but thought you just give them stuff they can chew.
Didn’t know she would obsessively try and destroy things / the lawn after the first few weeks I thought she’d learn what things she could chew and things she couldn’t.
So yes I guess very naive of me.

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BiteyShark · 24/06/2019 16:13

I would say on here I do see lots of threads which acknowledge the downsides of puppy hood and teenage angst.

Your puppy is only doing the normal things that most puppies do. Even the most chilled out puppy isn't perfect as when you dig deeper there is usually something the owner is trying to manage about them. Biting though is common and mine used to launch himself at me and hang off my jeans causing them to have lots of holes.

Honestly your puppy sounds nothing spectacular in terms of behaviour.

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Costacoffeeplease · 24/06/2019 15:45

It’s talked about on here with tedious regularity- have you really not seen any puppy regret threads? I feel like I see them every day

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beingniceiscool11 · 24/06/2019 15:29

@crosstalk yeah.... so sad because I chose her as she was the calmest, sleepiest and cuddliest of the litter, not demanding the human's attention, just waiting for her turn. Arg. As soon as she was away from her littermates she wasn't like that.

But yes also what @missbattenburg said .... why does no-one talk about this or warn you about it. I guess when you want to get a puppy you're not googling stuff like "I regret getting my puppy" or "What are all the bad bits about puppies?" You want it to work. Sad

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missbattenburg · 24/06/2019 15:21

I always remember reading someone's answer on a forum (maybe mn) to someone complaining about something or other their puppy was doing"

"All puppies are arseholes. You will have months of this".

It was repeated ad nauseum in our house like a mantra - and still gets a mention occasionally.

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Costacoffeeplease · 24/06/2019 14:59

I am currently fostering 2 pups, I’ve had them since they were 4 days old and have bottle fed, and now weaned them. They’re almost 7 weeks now and I spend most of my time with one hanging off my skirt and the other one scrabbling up my leg, while I’m cleaning up wee one is biting my feet while the other does a poo. It’s chaos and puppies are generally little shits, it’s what they do. I’m glad I’ll be handing them over to the rescue society next week, and I’ll be left with my 5 and 8 year old dogs who sleep most of the day

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SheeshazAZ09 · 24/06/2019 14:58

Yep, animal trainer/behaviourist teaching you one on one in your home is the way to go. A good one will sort these issues in one or a few sessions.

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crosstalk · 24/06/2019 14:53

OP No advice here just a point out to PPs who have castigated you aren't acknowledging that even with pure breeds there are huge temperamental differences within the breed, even if the general behaviour within the breed is similar. Our family have always had a certain type of dog - all social, house-trained, good with other dogs. Until I got another one as a pup. I still have him but he is defensive, will go for other dogs, even after a year of puppy classes and a 1 to 1 trainer.

You are dealing with far more - a whippet/IG/greyhound cross.

Would it be worth leaving her with your father for longer and going around to observe?

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HairyDogsInUnusualPlaces · 24/06/2019 14:34

Gosh, the things my pups did when they were young. I just learnt to manage the environment to limit the damage. Admittedly as soon as i had mastered one area, they moved on to another. But, it is just a question of managing things, preventing unwanted behaviours and rewarding what you do want.
If you are not in a position to do that, then it will all feel overwhelming and your best option is to return the puppy to it's breeder.

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beingniceiscool11 · 24/06/2019 14:28

Thank you.... god ....yes.... it's absolutely not what I expected. I thought the stereotype that puppies were hard work was because of toilet training and them not wanting to sleep in crate. Mine did both of those very quickly so I was like yay...enjoyed the first couple of weeks, felt I was meeting her needs and felt she was settling in really well.

Now her true puppy-ness is revealed... If I'm honest it was 1.5 weeks of "ahhh this isn't so bad" and then...............

Thanks @BatFacedGirl for the feedback. I know I need to work on being more succinct. My background is that I was in a psychologically abusive relationship for 3 years with DD's Dad (eventually turned physical) and he minimised and gaslighted me all the time, making me feel that no-one would ever believe me, that everything was my fault. That somehow there was something wrong with me.
And I guess sometimes I still feel the need to explain myself in a million different ways as otherwise worried I won't get understood or heard properly.

Shit times. I'm sorry guys for this shitty depressing and irritating to read thread. Sad I was trying to give love...and make a lovely family. Didn't work out how I expected.

Will update when hopefully new home is found for the gorgeous little girl Sad

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Nettleskeins · 24/06/2019 14:24

oh yes, and there is a large hole in our lawn. Now. Wink
There wasn't before he arrived.
If that bothered me, I would be very very upset.Likewise digging up the roots of the jasmine I had just planted and any small bedding plants.

But now he has stopped digging so obsessively Grin. He has moved onto chewing the garden bench.

Honestly, there is no way you can train a puppy not to do these things ever. They will go through that stage, and then stop...eventually, when your training and their instincts reach some sort of truce..

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Fucksandflowers · 24/06/2019 13:51

Yes she is behaving like a puppy but I don't see any other puppies springing into the air up to adults and children's faces as if she's on speed

My collie went through a phase of racing up to people, jumping, then biting as high as she could as a puppy. Often hip or bum level!
She put holes in every single item of clothing I had.

Matured into a very gentle and tolerant adult dog.

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BatFacedGirl · 24/06/2019 13:39

When you draft the email to the breeder, try not to go on and on too much. Outline very briefly the struggles and that you don't feel you can offer her the best home

Otherwise your message will get lost in a whole sea of words. I know you're getting your thoughts out but you need to be a little more succinct

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bollocksthemess · 24/06/2019 13:35

You have a normal, high energy puppy. You need to decide quickly if that is what you want to put up with for at least the next 6 months.

For what it’s worth, I don’t really like puppies. They are irritating little horrors. I got a Vizsla puppy in February and I’m only just getting to the stage of starting to enjoy her sometimes, she’s 6 months.

If not carefully restrained at all times in public, she would jump up and bite people’s noses and hair. She also memorably jumped up and bit a lady’s boob. She was never fucking still. We would go to bed early to avoid her, because she wouldn’t settle with us there.

However because I’ve had puppies before, and I know they are natural born dickheads, I was prepared to not enjoy her, so there wasn’t any disappointment or regret.

I quite like her now, but it was shit to begin with.

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missbattenburg · 24/06/2019 13:32

Yes she is behaving like a puppy but I don't see any other puppies springing into the air up to adults and children's faces as if she's on speed.

That's because you're not with them 24*7, I guess. Battendog used to tear around the living room, jumping over/on the heads of all people and other dogs if he thought he might be 'in trouble' (e.g. if one of the other dogs had growled at him or if I made moves that suggested it was time for him to calm down in the kitchen). He threw tea, coffee and patience everywhere. He weighed about 14kg at the time.

Puppyhood is a series of looking at the behaviour you are inadvertently encouraging or can see developing and taking steps to disuade it. 9/10 I think those steps are preventing it happening in the first place. In the case above, a light house lead was clipped to his collar before entering the living room so he could be led camly away again if needed. We did this for a few weeks before the behaviour extinguished.

For the first 18 months he would dig holes in the lawn if left outside over excited. About 20 times over we filled a hole, reseeded the trass, watered it and when it was grown in again he would dig another. He could dig them in less than 3 seconds. He was (and still is 90% of the time) supervised in the garden, again with a lead on if there was a chance of naughtiness. He was just so quick at digging them you didn't have a chance of stopping him in time, once he started.

At 2 years old we have only just reduced the height of the temporary fencing keeping him off the flower border.

There was those 3 of 4 months where he tried hard to hump every single female visitor to the house and would cry pitifully if kept on a lead to prevent it.

I could go on and on with examples of stuff he did/does... And I think he was/is about average in terms of effort required....

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Costacoffeeplease · 24/06/2019 13:10

We had a golden retriever pup years ago, that we nicknamed helium dog because all four feet were rarely on the ground together. It happens a lot (and he was a lot bigger than a whippet).

You describe her as if she’s some weird mutant pup with never before seen behaviours. She isn’t, she’s a normal puppy

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beingniceiscool11 · 24/06/2019 11:59

@Floralnomad thanks for that advice.... ! yes she does turn into an alien sometimes.... then other times calm. It's a lot.

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