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KeepSmiling83 · 29/04/2019 08:03

Hi,

I have started a couple of threads lately as we are considering getting a dog. We are still thinking about it and wouldn't get one in the immediate future but we don't have any experience so are unsure which breeds to look at.

DH had dogs growing up (Yorkshire terriers) but I have never had a dog before. We have 2 children who are 4 and almost 8 years old and I work for a few hours each morning Monday-Friday (we would take a month off at first to help settle a puppy/dog and even then would have parents on standby to come in after that for as long as necessary).

I suppose we are looking for a dog that is good with people/children, is relatively easy to train, doesn't need excessive amounts of exercise and is small (not necessarily as small as a Yorkie though!) A breed that can tolerate being by itself for a few hours each morning (we would build up to that) is also important. Does such a dog exist? A dog that doesn't shed a lot or bark excessively would also be great. Are we asking for too much? Or are there any breeds that match those ideals?

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noodlenosefraggle · 01/05/2019 19:55

Oh yes the whippet loves the kids. Mine are 8 and 10. He put up with the noise they make, he collects them from school and will jut stand there when hundred of kids are patting him on the head! Hes great!

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noodlenosefraggle · 01/05/2019 19:53

We've got a whippet as a first dog. We've been fostering him for about a month. He was very shy and nervous when we got him, but the good thing about fostering first is that there is someone at the end of the phone to ask if yo have any problems. He used to get very nervous when left and would pee on the floor if the only person in the house was out of sight for a few minutes. We were told to leave him little and often from the start so he got used to knowing that we went out but came back. He's much better now and we leave him for up to 4 hours. If its likely to be longer, we have someone who comes and walks him in the middle of the day. My friend has a lhasa apso that she says is quite low maintenance. Hes really cute!

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GrumpyMiddleAgedWoman · 01/05/2019 18:09

I second what borderline says about COI. High COIs caused me to veto a couple of litters when we got our younger dog. Look for 5% or less. You can find out the COI of a litter by plugging the pedigree names of the sire and dam into the Kennel Club's Mate Select website. It's not totally reliable but it gives you some idea.

Also bear in mind if you do get an F1 cross that if one of the breeds suffers from a recessive genetic nasty that does not occur in the other breed, the puppies might carry it but they will not develop the disease.

If you go for a puppy, check the breeder over really, really carefully. My dog's breeder showed me videos on his phone of her mother working, and friended me on FB which let me see that the litter really had been born in his dining room. A breeder having a council licence does not guarantee that it is not a puppy farm. A breeder not having a licence doesn't mean that they are rubbish, either.

Unless you have, literally, an hour to an hour and a half a day to dedicate to the dog, avoid anything working line.

And after all that, I hope you find a dog or puppy that is a great match for you and your family and have years to enjoy that amazing bond.

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KeepSmiling83 · 01/05/2019 14:17

Thank you so much for all the thoughtful replies. They really have given me lots to consider!

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MissShapesMissStakes · 01/05/2019 11:43

Poodles are very underrated.

We are new to dogs and have a 10 month old mini. He’s been amazing. Slept all night from his first night. So lovely with the kids. Enjoys his walks, a play in the garden, or snuggling on the settee. He’s a great size too. Think he’s pretty tall for a mini but love that you can get them in three sizes!

He doesn’t shed. Never found a stray hair at all.

We can leave him for 2-3 hours but that’s all he’s used to just because we rarely need to leave him. He’s just always pleased to see us. As long as he’s had a walk and a wee he just sleeps till we get back

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AvocadosBeforeMortgages · 01/05/2019 04:34

PP have mentioned a papillon. I had one growing up (5+, though there was another elderly one before that which I can't really remember). They're my dream breed - one day I'll have another but DDog was accidentally acquired and needs to be an only dog.

He came to us from a breeder at 18 months as he'd been intended for a show and stud career, but failed at the latter (!!)

Temperamentally nearly bombproof, except chasing cats (not a problem for us tbh) and he got a bit snappy with bouncy puppies in his twilight years (understandable tbh). Loved everyone, including greeting a burglar he disturbed like an old friend Hmm

He was bright but with 20/20 hindsight badly trained (eg he came back when called in his own time) but that could have easily been sorted with basic things like, erm, a bag of treats, but his main carers were very very very old school (think 1920s) from a generation where dogs just existed rather than having the high obedience expectations people have now. Lots of papillons do things like agility.

Exercise wise I think he got an hour or so a day (but may not be accurate as I was so young when he was young) but I don't remember him being too twatty even if walks were a bit shorter. Unlike the pomeranian, who would sit down and not move when she'd had enough, he would walk however far you were walking.

Not much went wrong with him health wise. Old age deafness, heart murmur, teeth had to be pulled out in his old age... Very basic stuff, until his final unexpected and short illness at age 15.

He didn't bark much but I believe some of the breed do. I don't think he ever stopped shedding either - we were finding long white hairs for years after he died (though perhaps that says more about the cleaning than anything else!)

To me he was the perfect dog. However, this is one person's experience with one dog, possibly with slightly rose tinted specs on, and viewed through the subsequent experience of taking on a JRT x with ishoos who could make most dogs look easy! Worth having a look, however, if you don't mind the shedding!

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BorderlineExperimental · 01/05/2019 00:36

That FB group is really just for training related stuff. As well as all the resources in the 'Files' section the chances are if there's anything you're particularly curious or concernes

Researching breeds can be a bit daunting as there are just so many of them!!

The KC Breed Information Centre isn't too bad a place to start, it's got basic information about each of the recognised breeds. It's far from perfect but if you're a bit overwhelmed by the idea of going through them all their breed finder quiz can be useful to come up with a shortlist to start with.

Breed clubs can be a useful source of information although some do focus much more on the positives than any negatives, unless it's a particularly specialist breed in which case they tend to try and put as many people off getting one as possible Grin It's also worth noting that some can be a bit economical with the truth when it comes to health issues in their breed, particularly when it's either very widespread or directly related to the physical attributes of the breed.

Breed specific rescues are also worth looking at, they can tend to be rather brutally honest about the potential negative points of the breeds they focus on.

Health wise both Dog Breed Health and the dog section of the UFAW site are full of information about hereditary and conformation related health issues in various breeds plus the tests or screening schemes that exist for them. As well as utilising appropriate health tests and breeding away from extremes of conformation which can impact upon health or normal function (such as the short muzzles in breeds like pugs and bulldogs) good breeders will also be trying to maximise the genetic diversity of the puppies they breed. Essentially whilst health tests help breeders either reduce or eliminate the chances of puppies being affected by known conditions for which tests exist, keeping inbreeding levels low helps reduce the chances of puppies being affected by conditions which either can't be tested for or are, as yet, compeltely unknown. High levels of inbreeding can also have an effect on things like lifespan, immune system function and fertility. I'd definitely recommend reading 'A Beginner's Guide to COI' and 'COI FAQs: Understanding the Coefficient of Inbreeding'.

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Hodgeheg3 · 30/04/2019 23:17

I know greyhounds have been mentioned already on this thread but I just wanted share my experience. We’ve recently rehomed an ex-racing greyhound who we adore, he’s the most fantastic family pet and wonderful with children (mine are 6 and 10). The rescue he came from worked with us to help us find a dog who was a good fit for us as a family and we’ve been able to leave him for short periods since the first week. It’s such a joy to watch him growing more used to living in a home, less anxious and more playful

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sandycloud · 30/04/2019 23:12

We have a 3 month old cavalier. We had one before who passed away a few months ago at 11. There can be health problems but many breeders will have health checks as much as they can. I feel they are good as first dogs ( was mine). Like to go for long walks but not too bothered if they can't one day. Our puppy has been good in his crate at night. He's just gone in now without us even telling him. He often goes himself during the day. I think he gets too distracted trying to sleep in the kitchen if I'm doing stuff. It was great for our first dog and we liked them so much we got another one. We looked a poodle crosses but they can be quite hyper and often a lot more expensive too.

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Wolfiefan · 30/04/2019 22:55

That group is great. Especially about bringing a pup home, toilet and crate training. Crate training isn’t shutting the dog in a crate and walking away!
Shame you’ve missed Crufts. Discover Dogs is great for finding out all about different specific breeds.

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KeepSmiling83 · 30/04/2019 19:52

@BorderlineExperimental @lorisparkle I have recently joined that group on Facebook. Do you think it would be worth asking about breeds on there or is that more for advice once you have your dog?

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lorisparkle · 30/04/2019 19:47

I was just going to recommend 'dog training advice and support' as well. I wish we had discovered it before we had our puppy. It has so much useful advice.

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BusySittingDown · 30/04/2019 19:38

Ooh, meant to add that originally she wasn't going to be left much during the day as we were working from home. However, circumstances have recently changed and she's now left for about 4 hours for a few days a week. She's been absolutely fine!

She's crate trained but we're putting her in it less and less as she's coming up to a year now.

As she's a small dog she doesn't need much exercise but she loves her walks.

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BusySittingDown · 30/04/2019 19:31

I have a Maltese-Yorkshire Terrier cross. She's absolutely fantastic.

I originally wanted a Maltese as I wanted a small dog that doesn't shed but we came across her and she's got the loveliest temperament ever. She's so patient, kind, loves people (particularly children - she warmed to children first when we first got her as they weren't as intimidating as huge adults) and she loves other dogs (although she doesn't yet realise that they don't all love her).

If we were to get another I would definitely consider a Maltese or Yorkshire Terrier.

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BorderlineExperimental · 30/04/2019 19:26

If you're on FB join the group Dog Training Advice and Support. It's run by professionals (who only advocate the use of up to date, science based and force free techniques) and there's a wealth of excellent advice on there as well as loads of great resources in the 'Files' section. In particular there's a collection of articles/guides specifically aimed at new puppy owners called 'Congratulations on Your New Puppy' which covers pretty much all the basics.

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KeepSmiling83 · 30/04/2019 19:16

Thank you again for all the replies! I am reading everything and taking it all on board.

@Awesomeo90 when you left the room initially for 5 mins did you put the pup in the crate? Or did you only put them in the crate/when you were leaving the house?

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Awesomeo90 · 30/04/2019 15:10

KeepSmiling83, Yes I would start from day 1. Just a few times a day leave the pup and go into another room for 5 minutes, then 10, then 20 and so on. Ideally when the puppy is distracted so they won't notice you going but leave it long enough so that they realise you're not there. Then when you return, ignore puppy, and he should soon learn its no big deal. Are you planning on crate training?
I did it this with mine and like you, I now leave her about 3-4 hours. I just throw her a chew or a stuffed kong so she doesn't notice me go out the door, and by the time she's finished we are gone. She just sleeps the entire time on the sofa. She's a very needy, clingy lab so I was surprised how easily this worked to be honest!

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MachineBee · 30/04/2019 14:57

I would also say re greyhounds, that they come in a variety of sizes.

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hippermiddleton · 30/04/2019 13:47

keepsmiling I actually don't know! I just thought it was an interesting place to start, when you can see all the different breeds compared against each other. I'm not even sure whether my own anecdotal experience bears out what's there: eg, Irish setters seem to be waaaay higher up the trainability league than I'd have guessed - there was one who used to be walked near me and I only ever saw her with her owner 50% of the time - the other 50% either the owner or the dog was frantically running around, hunting for the other. Apparently, it's a thing.

It's also interesting to see the Papillon rated as so quick to learn: toy breeds aren't 'just' toys, they're often really smart little dogs who need mental stimulation just as much as larger breeds.

Depending on what the age policies about rehoming are, I'd suggest visiting a rescue shelter/speaking to a breed rescue and meeting some adult dogs with established personalities - it would fit in with your summer holiday schedule better than going on a waiting list for a responsibly bred puppy?

IME, Border terriers are lovely, active, robust family dogs, as are Cairns and mini Schnauzers. If you have room for something a little bigger, greyhounds really are sweethearts.

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Pipandmum · 30/04/2019 13:44

By leaving them from day one - well yes in that the dogs (I didn’t get them at the same time but I did this each time) were crate trained so were left on their own at night. I made sure they went out just before and came down early to let them out. They were not in the crate if I was home unless there were lots of kids around or whatever but they went in the crate when I went out (this is until house trained). I mean you have to go out for school runs, shopping etc? And I confined the dog to the kitchen/family room until trained and I’m not spending the whole day in there. I wouldn’t just let a young pup on his own for hours and hours but you can build it up.

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KeepSmiling83 · 30/04/2019 13:22

@Pipandmum can I ask how you got your dogs used to being alone? Did you start from the first day? What did you do?

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KeepSmiling83 · 30/04/2019 13:21

@hippermiddleton so you would recommend looking at a breed that is somewhere in the middle of the intelligence table?

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KeepSmiling83 · 30/04/2019 13:20

@jellyshoeswithdiamonds am off to research westies!

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KeepSmiling83 · 30/04/2019 13:19

@Awesomeo90 that's interesting about leaving them from the start. I read somewhere that you should stay with them for the first few weeks/months to prevent separation anxiety but then other people have recommended the same as you. There is so much conflicting advice out there that it makes it very difficult for someone who hasn't had a dog before! So you would recommend leaving them little and often from Day 1?

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Pipandmum · 30/04/2019 12:50

I have two ‘designer’ cross breeds. An Australian labradoodle (a quite established breed) and an English labradoodle. Both miniature (so working cocker size). As with any puppy, you have to make sure the parents have been tested for whatever that breed’s issues are and that they score well. Just cross breeding dogs doesn’t help if the individual parents have health problems. And you have to investigate a breeder to make sure they are not puppy farmers.
If you get a rescue dog the charity will have assessed the dogs suitability to be with kids. But even the best most gentle dog should never be left alone with a small child.
It is up to you to train your dog to be left alone. All my dogs were able to be left alone with no issues. I don’t make a fuss when leaving or coming home.
As fur breeds - everyone will have favourites but just google it and there’s list of individual characteristics of any breed. Generalisations: terriers dig, working dogs need a lot of exercise, the more intelligent need more stimulation (and can be prone to destruction if bored).
You should also train your children as to how to behave with a dog.

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