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Ripped to shreds

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rippedtoshreds · 01/01/2019 09:29

Puppy advice please.
We have a springer. Got her at 8 weeks and now she’s 13 weeks.
She’s settled in pretty well, sleeping midnight til 6.30, has had someone home with her pretty much solid since we got her. She’ll settle in her crate in the day time.
She’s eating fine, playing fine etc.
The problem is the bloody biting. It’s horrific. From 6.30am until bed at midnight she just bites, pounces, attacks.
She jumps up for affection and as soon as you pick her up she’s ripping your hair out, or puncturing your hands and arms, even biting noses and faces.
You only have to walk from one side of the room to the other and she’s hanging off your trousers growling or off my shoe laces or slippers.
Every single person who’s come to visit her has puncture wounds in their hands.
The kids are covered in scratches, little bite marks, their clothes are ripped and this is literally happening when walking from the lounge to the toilet. They are separated by stairs gates the entire rest of the time.
If I want the kids to come in the kitchen for lunch then I have to pick them up over the stair gate and carry them to their chairs or they get attacked and bitten on their legs. The whole time the dog is hanging off my jeans biting me while I’m carrying the kids.
We put her in her crate for a minute to calm down, but as soon as she comes out she’s attacking again.
My parents are desperately worried that we’ve got an aggressive dog around the kids, even though she’s only 13 weeks old.
She’s from a registered breeder and is pedigree.
She can’t go out yet as hasn’t had all of her jabs, but I play with her in the garden chucking a ball for 15 minute spells. If anything this ramps up the aggression and she’ll come in all wound up and attack even more.
We take her for car rides and to meet friends dogs which wears her out slightly.
Evenings are the worst. She almost goes into a frenzied attack and we will be sat on the sofa and she’ll just fly through the air at you and basically attack you.
If something has scared her then she’ll attack too.
My LO bought a balloon home from a party. The dog saw it on the other side of the room, started barking manically and then just ran around in a frenzy biting everyone.
I’ve had experience of puppies before, but have never experienced such a bitey aggressive puppy.
Please tell me this is normal for springers and she’ll grow out of it?
I’m so worried that she’ll be an aggressive dog.

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rippedtoshreds · 01/01/2019 15:48

@FlorenceAndFed it’s such hard work isn’t it.
We researched and researched the breed. Our little town is full of cockers and springers.
I’m pretty dog experienced, especially with terriers and I thought nothing could be harder than the collie I had as a teenager.
How wrong I was!

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rippedtoshreds · 01/01/2019 15:49

So she’s biting people, but I still give her a treat as I move her away with a lead?
That feels like I’m rewarding her for the behaviour?

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BiteyShark · 01/01/2019 15:49

I used a playpen which I opened up to cordon off a section of the garden. When mine decided he was a shark rather than a puppy I used to leg it over the playpen to keep us seperate for a bit.

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rippedtoshreds · 01/01/2019 15:50

The kids use the trampoline as their escape from her as she can’t get up onto it.

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BiteyShark · 01/01/2019 15:51

Mine would have ignored any treat when he was in shark mode. I often used to slide mine out of the room (hard floors are handy) making sure he couldn't nip me or I removed myself if it was easier.

I am biased but spaniels are bloody lovely but not when in puppy crocodile mode Grin

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rippedtoshreds · 01/01/2019 15:53

It’s a good job she’s cute I swear!
Well and truly in the midst of puppy blues with this one!
Just keep hoping that by the summer things will be better.

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billybagpuss · 01/01/2019 16:04

Oh you mentioned 'witching' hour. Or mad puppy hour as its known in this house.

Its worth having special things planned for it. I used to keep the antler (her favourite) especially for it. Have a couple of games ready to play and hopefully you're not trying to co-ordinate DC's bedtime at the same time. Now she's almost 11 months its much easier and a decent walk and a frozen kong will do it.

I'll be honest, this stage was a nightmare and I will admit to going out a day earlier than I was supposed to after the jabs. Once she can go out you can plan an early evening pootle around the block which will help.

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lorisparkle · 01/01/2019 16:21

I would definitely keep the puppy and children separate - both are far too exciting and the puppy is just trying to play with them as if they are puppies too. Unfortunately children don’t have thick skin and sharp teeth so can’t play at the same level. We only allow calm interaction between our boys and the puppy. Because we have a lab puppy I found ‘the Labrador site’ website which has great information which I am sure would be relevant to any puppy.

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lorisparkle · 01/01/2019 16:22

Oh yes we have our puppy on a harness which made putting him in time out much easier.

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picklemebaubles · 01/01/2019 16:28

Definitely treat her as you lead her out on the lead. In fact, treat her because she has the lead on, then because she's walking with the lead on, then because she's following you... you aren't rewarding behaviour, you are encouraging it. So the treats show her what you want her to do- wear a lead, follow you with a lead. Ideally you could have a special calming down cushion with a treat on it just waiting for her!

She isn't thinking 'bite child, get a treat'. She's thinking 'play play play play ooh treat, treat, and another treat...'

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starcrossedseahorse · 01/01/2019 17:00

OP I have had lots of spaniels. To me this sounds potentially like a food issue. Hills is really not a good food at all and I would be gradually introducing something better quality. Vets sometimes sell this food as they get a kick back so they will happily recommend it - do your own research.
My spaniel pup did well on Guru or Gentle which is a cold pressed food and seems to work very well for him mood
wise. He has stayed on it and he is a pretty calm chap.

When I had a big gang of spaniels and before cold pressed food was really a thing, we used Arden Grange which does have a fair amount of maize in it but seemed to work well for them.

Food has a huge influence on a pup's mood. There was a spaniel pup at training who was utterly bonkers and her owner could do nothing with her - turns out she was fed on Bakers, poor thing.

www.allaboutdogfood.co.uk/the-dog-food-directory

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rippedtoshreds · 01/01/2019 17:01

Yes you’re right.
The vets recommended Hills.
I’ll look at some others.
Only problem is we have 15kg of the stuff. Will last 6 months?

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BiteyShark · 01/01/2019 17:06

When I changed food I just mixed the old food in with the new e.g. 80% new 20% old.

However, mine was on good food but still a land shark.

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starcrossedseahorse · 01/01/2019 17:22

Not sure that 15kg would last 6 months tbh? Seems like a very long time!

If it was me I would be tempted to try a better food and then do the changeover by mixing them together over a fortnight and then sell/donate the Hills to a dog rescue or someone whose dog is ok on it. It is only a thought but, for me, starting with the obvious is the best place. You may just have a very bitey puppy but it does sound a little extreme to me even for a working Springer.

Have look on the food website I linked to as it is very useful. Also I think that www.cockersonline.co.uk/ is a great spaniel resource (I know you have a Springer but you still will get good help on here I am sure!).

Have you tried occupying your pup with a stuffed Kong? Also training classes are a must so as soon as soon as you can get her in a puppy group. Spaniels get VERY tired from brainwork so little basic training sessions will also help as they have to concentrate and it's hard work! Grin

She will be worth it I promise. Spaniels really are the very best.

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starcrossedseahorse · 01/01/2019 17:25

Ooh, also get The Happy Puppy Handbook by Pippa Mattinson. She is a working spaniel owner and really knows her stuff. There will be nothing you are going through that she won't cover! It's about £9 from amazon.

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rippedtoshreds · 01/01/2019 17:40

For her weight she has 200 grams a day. So 75 days worth. She’s about 2 weeks in, so probably have another 6 weeks worth so I’ll start changing over towards the end couple of weeks then by doing it slowly.

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Bananas87 · 01/01/2019 18:18

I would second the Labrador site, we found it very helpful and I am sure the tips would be useful across breeds. Our trainer recommended the use of a playpen. So any time out is controlled, I felt mean but it's his den and he still loves it now. It's so so hard, but you will get through it

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rippedtoshreds · 01/01/2019 18:24

The Labrador site keeps popping up on my google hunts actually. It seems really good.
We’ve been out for dinner tonight for a couple of hours so she’s had enforced nap time again while we were gone.
So 2 hours this morning and 2 hours this evening.
Plus her 8 hours in there overnight tonight. Still only 12 hours sleep she’s getting though and I’m certain she needs more, but she won’t sleep if we are home with her.
She seems calmer tonight, so will see if she still gets her vicious hour later.
I’m really hoping not, as it ends the day on an absolute low, being bitten and attacked while counting down the hours til her bedtime.
Then you almost dread getting up the next morning too.
So so hard.

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BiteyShark · 01/01/2019 18:28

It is hard. Bloody hard and you seriously wonder what the hell you were thinking when you thought it was a good idea.

Keep repeating 'this phase will pass' Grin. And stock up on lots of Wine and Cake

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lorisparkle · 01/01/2019 18:43

Is there anyway your puppy could have her own space by using a room divider or baby gates or puppy play pen. We use our conservatory for our puppy (it was the children’s playroom but never mind!) he goes in there to relax and gives him and us a break when he is having his mad moments!

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rippedtoshreds · 01/01/2019 18:45

Its really hard!
You don’t remember how bad puppies are do you?! I It’s like having a baby, it’s nature’s way of making sure you have another!
It honestly feels like when I had post natal depression!
Just reminding myself how lovely my old boys were, and how much joy they bought to me when they were out of the puppy stages! Hoping the same goes for this one. I’d just like a magic ball, just to reassure myself that things will turn out ok in the end.
Also a bit worried about sending the kids back to school next week with scratches and tiny teeth marks.

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rippedtoshreds · 01/01/2019 18:46

Yep she’s got the hallway which is all sectioned off by stair gates.
But then she chews the wall and the stairs carpet and we literally decorated 2 months ago! Bad idea!!!

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Wolfiefan · 01/01/2019 18:47

I’ve been there. I cried. A lot. She was my first dog. Let alone my first puppy. I was exhausted.
She’s now a complete delight and so sweet and gentle. It passes. But it’s bloody hard whilst it lasts.
Hmmm. A respite service for owners of bitey little puppy buggers. Promising a whole night of sleep or a whole day off toilet training/being chewed. Could be lucrative. Grin

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rippedtoshreds · 01/01/2019 18:53

I’d definitely send her to you @Wolfiefan
Even the dog sitters won’t bloody take her, as 1 she’s not vaccinated fully and 2 they don’t like to take them this young as they’re bloody annoying for the other dogs, which is understandable.
My mum won’t have her coz she wees on her floor and refuses point blank to wee in her garden (just because it’s all new)
So we are just relying on a pet sitter to home visit for the next few months if we need to go out longer than 2 hours.
In fact, I’m sure she’d be fine without, but for my peace of mind I like someone to pop in on her!

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BiteyShark · 01/01/2019 18:54

Wolfie I know this sounds bad but I almost cried with relief when I went back to work. Just having a few hours where I didn't have to worry about a puppy felt such a relief. It's hard to reconcile that feeling when I am now at work because all I think about is how much I bloody miss him Blush

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