Puppy farm?

[fessmess]

Going to look at a puppy tomorrow after breeder put us off from last week (family illness) and now their advert on Pets4homes has changed. Two pups (11 weeks old) have disappeared from ad and now they're selling a different puppy 3 weeks younger! The photos of mum and dad are the same though. Would you be suspicious or is this normal?

[sadienerin]

Is this in the sidcup/ orpington area?

[MrsderPunkt]

I went back to this and looked on their website - 10 breeds of puppy currently available - this is huge and very blatant and conspicuous. I always think about puppy farms being secretive and meeting in motorway services, but this is so open - it certainly adds credibility.

[pigsDOfly]

You're right about the instant gratification Bagel. Anyone can wake up in the morning decide to buy a puppy 'for the kids' and go out and get one.

I posted on here some time ago about going into a pet shop in Enfield in north London and being amazed and upset to see puppies and kitten in cages for sale - this was a few years ago but imagine it still goes on.

Spoke to RSPCA and Enfield council, turned out the shop was licence by the council.

All the time local councils continue to encourage the sale of animals in this way puppy farming is, literally, being given a licence to continue abusing animals..

[BagelGoesWalking]

Trionic I'm amazed on a daily basis at posts I see on local FB pages about buying. It's the instant gratification that everyone wants, we are so used to being able to have something at the click of a button, loads of people don't want the "hassle" of finding a good breeder, or waiting for the right dog to come into a rescue, or even to have the bother of a homecheck.

So they buy a kitten or a puppy on a whim. They don't seem to realise it's a sentient being that will need time and attention. I do wonder what happens to them when they outgrow their cuteness.

I share the dilemma of Many Tears. On the one hand, they are saving those dogs from a pretty certain death, but on the other hand, they are colluding with the shitty breeders. They must know the breeders fairly well as they're probably getting them from the same places a lot of the time.

However, so many local councils don't seem to give a monkey's about conditions the dogs are kept in and keep licensing these unsuitable places, they are in a difficult position, if the authorities don't give a damn.

[Bubble2bubble]

Not one of them wants to know where their pup's mum is :(

[TrionicLettuce]

God, the photos on that FB page of the puppies on site

It's thoroughly depressing that there's still so many people who think there's nothing wrong with going to what is essentially a shop and buying a puppy like it's a toaster.

[Bubble2bubble]

Yep,.
Does my furbaby have any siblings? most certainly very many, though not all with the same Furbirthday, and did we mention his father is also his grandfather?

[Geretrude]

It's a bit worrying that the breeder has no idea where the siblings are. I can't believe people don't realise that screams puppy farm

[ChocomelandRinglings]

really I dare you! They'll all be shocked and disbelieving.

[reallyanotherone]

Yep there's a lot of bows and pink for girls going on.

What is the obsession with finding siblings. Am i the only one wants to post that they didn't sell so are at the bottom of the canal?

[Bubble2bubble]

The kind who want a cutie fluffy furbaby apparently....and think they come from a big puppy supermarket type place

[ChocomelandRinglings]

Ooops, I got blocked in 3 minutes...
Really, what sort of tits buy from these places?

[Bubble2bubble]

So I have had all my posts deleted and been blocked from posting on Kelly's Kennels page I had hardly even started......
Strange reaction for few polite questions and I didn't even mention Puppy Farm

[tabulahrasa]

"They see it as saving the dogs who would otherwise be put down or abandoned
Critics see it as providing a handy and free service for puppy farms to get rid of their unwanted stock."

My thinking on it is that waiting until puppies and ex breeding stock have been dumped before making space for them in a rescue isn't going to make a difference to the puppy farmers...except that it may lead to them killing more. They'll get rid of the dogs whether many tears takes them or not.

[Geretrude]

reallyanotherone - I suspect the ones I linked to above were too old to sell and that's why they were dumped in a box.

I thought they said that You and Yours were going to be talking about new legislation around puppy farming at the head of the programme but it's not mentioned on the website and they haven't as yet. Will keep listening.

[Ilovehedgehogs]

I agree about the dilemma with many tears

[sparechange]

One of the criticisms of the Many Tears website is that they take the 'leftovers' from puppy farms

They see it as saving the dogs who would otherwise be put down or abandoned
Critics see it as providing a handy and free service for puppy farms to get rid of their unwanted stock.

I don't know what the answer is for this, but I just wish wish that idiots would see past the awww cute puppy and see the misery of the breeding bitches. But they don't or won't.

I've rescued a former puppy farm breeding bitch. She was about 3, and the vet thought from the state of her uterus when she was spayed that she had had 5 or 6 litters. You do the maths...
She was found tied to a fence near a vet with an enormous hernia, and mastitis

The vet said it was a common story - bitch is bred and bred and bred until her body gives up. And then rather than spend a penny in vet fees to treat her, they dump her and move onto the next bitch.

It's heartbreaking, and even more heartbreaking to think a high percentage of her puppies would have ended up in a rescue at some point because they were sold to feckless owners who saw them as disposable as soon as circumstances change

[Ilovehedgehogs]

Although we have a back street breeder near me (that's what we think anyway) who prolifically breeds and approx 30 older puppies have been found killed and dumped in a big pit.

It's been over a period of time, also an older dog found buried there.

[Bubble2bubble]

Thanks Errol I must have missed that.

really puppy farmers wouldn't need to euthanize any pups - the ones that don't sell can just be used for breeding in six months' time. Of course you can always lie about their ages, sell them as a pup that's been' returned because of allergies' etc

[ErrolTheDragon]

Are they euthanising puppies that don't sell?

Euthanasia is the practice of intentionally ending a life in order to relieve pain and suffering.

So no, I doubt they're 'euthanising' them. I suppose they kill or dump a lot of surplus (not to mention, unsaleably defective) stock.

[tabulahrasa]

There are rescues that take on the unsold ones.

Mostly because some places don't even euthanise them, they dispose of them by dumping them or killing them by less humane methods as the vet would charge them.

[MrsderPunkt]

One of my friends talks about the puppy she 'rescued' from a puppy farm as she couldn't bear to leave it there, so she paid for it and took it home .....

[ErrolTheDragon]

I remember there was a very passionate poster (involved in rescues etc) who did after some warnings end up being banned - resulting in a couple of massive threads protesting the decision. IIRC (and this was quite a few years ago) I think MNHQ believed that her unsparingly forthright stance wasn't constructive and people didn't dare come to doghouse to ask questions. I don't think they took the decision lightly.

Finding the balance between despair (and frankly disgust for those - unlike the posters on this thread - who won't take advice/information be it on puppy farms or training or whatever) and polite and patient education isn't always easy.

[reallyanotherone]

Are they euthanising puppies that don't sell?

I can't see how you can breed on that scale and sell all the puppies- once they hit 12 weeks they won't be saleable any more.

[Bubble2bubble]

Someone was banned for being harsh on puppy buyers? Didn't know that

Agree the message is just not getting though. I don't believe the market will saturate. Some people put more thought into where their baked beans come from than where their puppy does. And there will always be a new made up 'breed' that will become desirable. Frenchpoos and Pomshitz coming your way, watch this space.