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Adult stepson, please give me some advice

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SmilingSadLady · 11/11/2016 04:48

I have two DDs and two adults DSSs. We have a good, but not close, relationship.

Three weeks ago, the younger stepson, who is 21, came to live with us. I was unhappy with the way this was arranged. He graduated this year, got a good degree but no plan as to what next and spent the Summer, until October, travelling. He then said he had "no choice" but to come and live with us.

We live in the countryside, close to a City centre, but there is a decent commute. We are a drive away from the train station. My husband and I commute each day (on different days, we work part time and share the childcare). He chose not to get up early enough to come in with either of us, but often expects a lift from the parent who has done the school run. Again, in the evening, he times his return too late or too early to come back with either of us and then communicates that he needs a lift or money for a taxi. This is usually either at bath time or when only one of us is home (the other at work) and the children in bed.

He wakes up after us and usually comes in late. He texts, very politely, asking me for "supper please", or "supper would be nice". Previously we cooked an early tea for the children and then ate as a couple. Now I am either doing bigger meals with a lot more carbs that are easily repeatable when he gets in. He is fit, runs and is eating voraciously. It has had a big impact on our weekly grocery bill. He does not contribute financially.

My understanding was that we would be supporting him during his first job. I did not expect money from him and would rather he saved for his own accommodation. However, we did expect, and we made it clear, that we expected him to contribute 'in kind', by walking the dog, doing light housework (we all share this, but have a weekly cleaner), assisting in the garden.

He has taken the dog out twice when he is out for a run, at his convenience. He does not cook. His room smelled so bad after he had been with us for a week, that my husband asked him to air it and stop drying his sweaty running clothes on the radiators. My husband then did his laundry and he was piling up dirty clothes. I felt he should do his own laundry.

We spoke to him about his room and about the house in general, reiterating expectations. He was arrogant and rude to my husband and called me unstable, not to my face but so I could hear him.

He then made a point of washing his breakfast things but will only load or unload the dishwasher if he is asked and asked again. My two DDs do much more to help and my older DD (5) has noticed.

Each weekend he has been away and come back and told me about cooking with friends (he claims he cannot cook when we ask him to), parties etc. We asked him to get a part time job as his current job is a part-time unpaid internship. He opted for a weekend only contract, is away the next two weekends and has whinged about how it will impinge on his social life.

Two days ago I had bad news on a medical diagnosis which came 48 hours after other bad news. I had my young DD with me in the appointment so couldn't ask everything I wanted and my DH was working very late at an evening conference event which he was chairing, so we hadn't had a chance to talk in detail.

DH sent his son a text, to say I'd had a rough day and asking him to be supportive. That evening when DSS came home, he made a public call to his brother, with the door open, screaming and swearing at the top of his voice, for over an hour, complaining about me, my DH, my DDs, saying the youngest "shits everywhere" (she is in nappies, she does not shit everywhere). I was scared the little ones would wake up and also felt hugely intimidated by his swearing and screaming and accusations. He then walked up to me and said "good night" as if nothing had happened.

The next morning, he ignored my DH who told him he had crossed a line. He then became so verbally abusive, my DH was worried about the DDs, who were crying and scared. I took them to get them ready for school and nursery and things escalated so much that my DH called the police. The police said we had an arrogant man child in the house and that we should ask him to leave for a few days while we work out what to do. This is the first night. I have been up since midnight, in tears, shaken, not at all sure what to do. I feel like a complete failure as a stepparent.

My little girls were looking forward to their brother coming. They thought he would play with them, read bedtime stories, just as he has done when he has stayed for visits and holidays.

I think it would be good for them to see that things can go wrong in families and put right again, but I also felt frightened of him and don't ever want to feel like that in my own home. I'm very distressed about what he said about the DDs as well. He was really vile about them.

And...our expectations of him basically being a good flatmate and pulling his weight are so mismatched with wha the expects from us.

Please be kind to me. I have had a horrendous week and am exhausted.

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Amandahugandkisses · 11/11/2016 18:55

Do not let him back in the house.
You have little ones to consider.
This situation does not sound safe actually.
He is a grown fit man. He's been spoilt. It's time for this foolishness to end.

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NoSunNoMoon · 11/11/2016 19:00

Don't have him back, for the sake of your DCs. He's an adult and needs to sort himself out, he's had enough chances.

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Underthemoonlight · 11/11/2016 19:09

I agree I wouldn't allow him back in you're house, you've gt to consider your young vulnerable children, he is an grown adult and needs to stand on his own two feet.

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Emeralda · 11/11/2016 21:27

Where is he now? Can he not stay there?
Flowers OP, that's a pretty crap week you've had.
I usually don't believe in falling out with young people permanently over temporary bad behaviour, but it sounds like he's behaved consistently badly to everyone in your household and that's not on. And he's not that young. To quote someone I used to work with, "he's all the man he's ever going to be" .
Look after yourself and your DC and don't let him back to live with you, but try to leave the door open for being in touch at a safe distance in future. Does his mum know about this?

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Rainbowqueeen · 11/11/2016 21:35

Honestly I wouldn't let him back in. You will be on edge the whole time, the impact on your other children will be significant and there is no indication he will behave any differently

In the future This may change. For example if he had a paying job, came to you off his own bat with a sincere apology for his behaviour and offered to pay board.

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AyeAmarok · 11/11/2016 21:49

Would your DH be willing to tell him he can't move back?

He's 21. He should be able to stand on his own two feet. Or at the very least show some respect and gratitude. Being verbally abusive is a kicking out offence.

I don't think I'd want him back in my house.

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Bananasinpyjamas1 · 11/11/2016 22:01

Oh how horrible for you all. Flowers

I agree with others, do not let him back into your house. He has more than crossed a line, and more importantly, has made your house unsafe in an emotional way for your daughters and you too. That you had to call the police is more serious than someone being really annoying - which might make a short break and 'agreeing rules' more of a plan. But it was more serious.

There is nothing to be gained by anyone from him moving back in -

  • DSS is 'failing to launch' into adulthood and seems to be rather dangerously reverting to totally childish behaviour. He really needs to share with other peers or on his own, who will not 'have supper ready' or 'taxis'.
  • You have younger children who are an absolute priority, and he is unsettling the peace and harmony of your household.
  • he has broken your trust, not just been 'untidy' - and this will not get better by moving back in after a short time.


Good luck OP. My DSD would be very similar if I allowed her to move back in. My DP is also thinking that perhaps this time would be different 'if she agreed to be at least civil' - I just KNOW that this is not going to happen, and frankly, I'm unwilling to put my young children through this a second time.
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SmilingSadLady · 12/11/2016 09:20

Thank you all for your support. Posting briefly as am home alone with my DDs today. SS is staying with a friend on a sofa.

We found out new things yesterday that are awful. He has been taking drugs. I then searched his room and found drugs in his bag. It took me 5 minutes to find. I am so angry he put my daughters at risk.

His mum phoned, blamed his dad for leaving her many years ago and blamed us for not looking after him.

DH has gone to speak to him today. I am not taking him back in the circumstances. I have had no apology, only a load of crap from his mother about how we are failing him.

No, he didn't cook at uni. He went to a uni where he lived in halls for three years and had formal dinners from time to time. I think he hated things in the microwave.

I'm beyond angry, feel betrayed, upset and shaken.

Sorry so staccato and brief. Will probably be offline most of today and doing some lovely things with my DDs.

It is fantastic to know that we are not alone as a family and I am hugely grateful to everyone who has posted. Thank you.

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Footle · 12/11/2016 09:25

'He's all the man he's ever going to be' at 21 ? That's unbelievably harsh and untrue.
He sounds a bloody nightmare at the moment though.

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AyeAmarok · 12/11/2016 09:26

Sounds like the drugs are the reason for the recent personality change then.

I think you're right not to have him back.

Have a good day with your DDs.

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Wdigin2this · 12/11/2016 11:14

Do not let him back into your home!!! Just that really!!!

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swingofthings · 12/11/2016 12:13

We found out new things yesterday that are awful. He has been taking drugs
I did wonder about this and almost asked. Unfortunately, drugs bring the absolute worse in lovely people. How bad is it?

Sadly, if it is serious, it is now a question of helping him through it so that he can come off it before it's too late. Hope his father will know to take matters seriously. Drugs devastate lives.

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Thinkingblonde · 12/11/2016 12:26

I wouldn't let him back into your home. It speaks volumes that his own mother kicked him out too. He's a man not a boy. Time he grew up.

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Bananasinpyjamas1 · 12/11/2016 15:29

Glad that you are not having him back. His Dad and Mum can do what they can, but unfortunately your SS may not take help. The motivation needs to come from him, but at least he is no longer going to be enabled by you all, that doesn't help him or you.

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SmilingSadLady · 13/11/2016 19:51

Thanks everyone. So, he's not coming back, my DH has told him. They had a long talk and DH said he felt DSS was genuinely remorseful, has made a terrible mistake, won't repeat it. I'm a bit more sceptical of instant change.

DH feels awful, guilty, has been crying, is worried. He is packing DSS's stuff now and delivering it to him tomorrow. I feel horrible watching him pack and cry and then nearly wavered, but have said, no, I cannot put the girls at risk.

DSS has texted me saying, 'sorry I brought drugs into your house. Won't do it again. Sorry I got angry and insulted the wonderful life you have built.' He also asked to meet me to apologise unreservedly for his arrogance and anger. I feel very bad saying this, but something in the text didn't sound completely genuine. I can't put my finger on it. DH thinks that texts are just not great for nuance, and that DSS is really sorry and that we should talk on the phone. I don't want to talk to him.

The weekend has been hard because my DDs are asking about their brother. Before we found out about the drugs, on Friday morning, I had told my older DD (5) that all the adults would work together to see how we could help DSS come home in a way that was right for us all.

But the drugs change everything and I don't know what to tell my DDs. They have both asked if he has gone to jail, and I have said he is thinking about some bad choices. I need to tell them he is not coming back, but the way he left was so abrupt, with the police there, I am not sure how to tell them and how to make sure the door is open enough for them to have a relationship with their brother in future.

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BratFarrarsPony · 13/11/2016 19:52

" Sorry I got angry and insulted the wonderful life you have built "

not sure I would like the sound of that either OP.

Stay strong you have done the right thing x

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SmilingSadLady · 13/11/2016 20:04

It sounds sarcastic, doesn't it? DH can't see anything wrong with it, but the whole manner of his communication has been so polite, he sounded almost obsequious, yet it wasn't matched by any respectful behaviour. The dissonance has really done me in.

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BratFarrarsPony · 13/11/2016 20:12

Yes it really does....I honestly think you are well rid.
Just out of interest was it weed or pills/powder?

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SmilingSadLady · 13/11/2016 20:20

Pills and I think weed, but weed not confirmed.

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pinkyredrose · 13/11/2016 20:25

He sounds horrific! You've done the right thing you really have.

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SmilingSadLady · 13/11/2016 20:32

Thank you. But what do I tell the DDs about why he is not coming back? I don't want them to be scared that if they behave badly they will disappear and not come back.

My DH is not being very supportive to how I feel, perhaps that is expecting too much. He keeps saying and showing how very sad he is, talking about how he has to do something truly awful by not letting DSS come back and also telling me how he will always look after DSS whatever he has done as he is his son. I get this, but I also feel quite shocked, sad, betrayed and we have so little adult time together, I feel resentful that it has been lost to either him meeting DSS and today packing his stuff and being irritable and snappy with me.

The joys of stepparenthood. DH also keeps telling me that I shouldn't be too quick to judge as we will have problems with our DDs. I have to keep repeating that it isn't normal to bring drugs into the house or be abusive to that degree.

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Chippednailvarnishing · 13/11/2016 20:36

It's not the fact he bought drugs into your house, it's the fact he bought drugs into your house knowing there were small children living there.

It's the level of aggression that needed the police to intervene.

Unforgivable.

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pinkyredrose · 13/11/2016 20:37

Why would he think you'll have problems with your daughters?

Can you tell them he realised that he'd behaved badly and has decided to its best to move out out of respect to you?

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SmilingSadLady · 13/11/2016 20:39

That's a lovely form of wording. It's exactly what I'll tell them. Thank you.

I have no idea if DH really does think we will have problems with our DDs. He sort of threw the comment at me "just you wait until these two are grown up", when I said I was upset.

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aginghippy · 13/11/2016 20:46

Whether you will have problems with your DDs in the future is neither here nor there.

I felt frightened of him and never want to feel like that again in my own home. That's entirely reasonable. More than reasonable.

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