Will one of you kind people give me a slap and tell me, in the name of all that's holey moley,to stay off the MMR topics...

[pagwatch]

...before i blow up like a balloon and burst in a disappointing pop of stupidity and hopelessness.
I am never going to persuade anyone and it wouldn't make any difference if I did.

I now what happened to my fella. Why do I keep responding to people I don't know who seem to think I am attention seeking fantasist.
it isn't even that I care and get upset. It is just annoying.

[BriocheDoree]

Ya know Total, I think we should hook up your DS and my DD when they get older. I think they'd have a lot in common!! JJ you're probably right. So much about life in France is filing the right paperwork! There was TONS of it after DS was born.

[jimjamshaslefttheyurt]

oh France is OK I think. I met someone once who didn't want her kids vaccinated but lived in France where they went to school. She said she gave them homeopathic vaccinations (many homeopaths themselves will say there's no such thing!) and she said that was accepted. She said it seemed to be more about a need to file some paperwork rather than a concern about a child's immunity!

[TotalChaos]

jj - she's in France I believe.

[TotalChaos]

Brioche - yes, that's exactly what happened to DS! A near plateau between 2 and 3 - apart from doing jigsaws . Possibly a very very slight regression, as he was less keen to point to things in books etc at 3 than at 2. Even though I'm pretty confident he wasn't affected by first shot of MMR (at 15 months), I don't want to take the risk of pre-school booster, as I think he is extremely close to the spectrum, if not actually on it.

[jimjamshaslefttheyurt]

Have emailed you 2shoes.

[jimjamshaslefttheyurt]

brioche - where are you?

[BriocheDoree]

You gotta keep saying this stuff so that we all know where we stand. I'm facing the fact the DD is now due MMR booster and DS is now due first shot. (Have a horrid feeling they are both obligatory here for school, but that's another matter). I am usually pro-vaccine (know someone who died of mumps with complications!) but I wish I knew the answer to this. Even if I decide to go ahead, I'm grateful to those of you who do speak out because we all need to know the full facts!! DD in fact did not regress, her development plateau'd (if that's a word) and many months later than the MMR, more like 2 to 2.5...but...

[2shoes]

for a quick fix
if you both email me I can then pass on emails addresses.

[2shoes]

pagwatch email me at [email protected] and I will send another invite

[jimjamshaslefttheyurt]

I haven't got CAT (I've deleted my membership so many times, and each time you do you lose the CAT ability so I don't use it now).

I am on ttr.

[pagwatch]

no - I got the offer to join but sadly chose to put my head up my arse rather than comply with the joining thingy. No idea why as i did want to join...


I do that a lot with letters from the school, appts, invitations etc just at the mo'

[2shoes]

arn't you both on ttr. if so you can exchange emails on there(or chat)

[pagwatch]

No I don't jimjam.
Could you CAM me and I will whizz you his brand

[jimjamshaslefttheyurt]

The researchers in the field reckon about 7% of kids with autism were triggered by MMR, so not many. It's quite brand specific as well, so the numbers may have been larger a few years ago and fewer now.

Pagwatch - do you have my email address? We could perhaps have an interesting conversation offline about the brand your son received. One is well known to have been more problematic.

[ouryve]

DS2 started to regress before he had his MMR. Some of his issues were plainly there from birth. DS2 was born sensory seeking and would not sleep in a quiet room and was so freaking hyperactive he was crawling on his belly at 20 weeks.

Stay away from those topics, though!!! If you want a headache, it's much more efficient to bang your head on the desk a few times. Your fingers will ache less and your keyboard will sustain less wear and tear (so long as you move it out of the way before the headbanging starts.)

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[Seuss]

I think it is important that people considering MMR get to read all sides of the debate. Whilst I think that ds was showing signs of ASD before his jabs and there was no obvious regression I have heard some very convincing accounts to the contrary that have stopped me getting ds2 and dd3 done. Frankly I'm not taking any chances since we already have one autistic child. Our nurse was really cool when I explained this and said 'fair enough I'll stop sending the letters then'.

[BellaBunting]

When I read that these vaccines contain ingredients such as embalming fluid, anti freeze, gelatin, not to mention the chick embryo in which the vaccines are cultured...well, it simplified the decision making process!

[Blu]

Why not save a paragraph, all done out in bullet points and simple facts, that covers most FAQ (Frequently Alledged Quertwaddle), that you can copy, rush into the thread with your eyes closed and a peg over your nose, paste and rush out again before it gets to you?
Then hide thread.

It could be like the MN philosophy - a para which explains it all when all around you los their marbles.

[jimjamshaslefttheyurt]

should be a !

[jimjamshaslefttheyurt]

Thanks Cadmum and edam.

For anyone wanting to know more I'd just advise reading the hearing diaries It's from a biased source, but the reporting of what was actually said does seem pretty fair. There isn't an alternative as apparently the transcripts aren't available. I vaguely remember reading somewhere that they will be published after the close of the hearing (in about 2 years time apparently )

There's lots coming out of the hearing that has surprised me. I can't see what they're going to get the 3 of them on- although I'm sure they will.

The other bit of good news is that I was surprised by IMFAR (international meeting for autism research). Whatever the dept of health will have you believe research is going onto into the potential link between vaccines and autism including the MMR. This has by and large come about because this research is being funded by independent and parent led or parent set up bodies. Parents actually have increasing power - I heard it said several times during the conference 'we have to research this (this being various diverse things) because that's what parents want.' The potential links were talked about quite openly by some researchers there. Along with the other factors that might lead to a susceptibility. It was very encouraging indeed.

[2shoes]

I stay off those threads as mine had theirs done before the link became apparent iynwim.
I think you should post (unless it causes you distress)
people need to be aware of the risks so that they can make a educated decision. if all the people whoose dc's have been affected keep quiet this won't be possible.
but I understand why you must feel that you are banging your head against a brick wall.
sadly imo proving the link will always be hard as the goverment will never admit it(imo) as it would cost them so much in compensation.

[edam]

your ds first mention, mine at second, obv.