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Here are some suggested organisations that offer expert advice on special needs.

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Here are some suggested organisations that offer expert advice on special needs.

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kojackscat · 26/04/2015 11:47

I keep hearing this on this forum, but I am not sure if it refers to the old system or the new EHCP.

I am waiting for the draft plan for DS. (a new one, not a transfer from statement)

When I asked about hours, the LA told me that 'we don't do that anymore'

Are they correct? Are they supposed to still talk about number of hours, or i that the old way of doing it?

thanks

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Icimoi · 02/05/2015 10:17

You could try asking of SOS SEN will send a pre-action letter. If they're refusing to follow the legal requirements for the assessment process and refusing to comply with the time limits, they're acting unlawfully.

kojackscat · 01/05/2015 18:49

I doubt if the councillors will be interested at the moment, they are too busy with elections. I'll call her on Tuesday, I hope speaking to her might get some sense rather than e mails. She won't be able to evade my question so easily. If she does I will call the manager and escalate it.

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Icimoi · 01/05/2015 18:20

Write formally to the head of SEN setting out what has been happening and what the law is, and asking them to take steps immediately to comply with the law. If you've got reasonably sensible local councillors, it could be worth asking them to find out what on earth is going on and why this idiot can't comply with the law.

kojackscat · 01/05/2015 17:36

Yes, I have e mails. they are so wordy and waffling that I barely understand them.
My Parent partnership worker has passed it to her manager, who who will speak to the manager at the council. Hopefully next week will be a bit more fruitful.

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bedelia · 01/05/2015 17:21

Aw no, so sorry you're having all this trouble just to get the help your DC needs

Do you have the caseworker's remarks in writing, even as an email? If not, are you able to send an email to clarify this? I'm sure having a paper trail about this might help later on.

Obviously she's not above the law and in reality should be following the COP and be taken down a peg or two! but in the meantime, this delay in getting even the draft is delaying DS from accessing the support he clearly needs.

Is it likely the LA will refuse your parental preference?

fairgame · 01/05/2015 17:12

Can you complain or speak to the person above her? Sometimes it works. She sounds like a typical la employee complete idiot.

kojackscat · 01/05/2015 16:45

Thanks.
I have calmed down now, but still frustrated. I want to see the draft EHCP before they send it to schools, as that is how the timeline published in the COP and the councils own documents say it works.

But the caseworker insists she will send it to me and schools at the same time, so I must name a school now. I want to be able to check it is correct before it goes to schools, but she is just saying no.
I know she cant do that, she must do it the correct way, but she is point blank refusing!
I have had parent partnership write to them, and advice from IPSEA, but she is still refusing to send it to me until I name a school and she will send it to them at the same time.

She also refuses to acknowledge that she has 20 weeks to complete the process in.

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bedelia · 01/05/2015 16:35

Hope you're okay Kojacks! Sending [hugs]

Icimoi · 01/05/2015 14:34

What's happened, kojack?

kojackscat · 01/05/2015 11:09

Please excuse me, I need to say this

fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck

sorry.

I ask a plain straightforward question, I get an answer that means nothing, doesn't address this issue, and makes no bloody sense whatsoever!

I am soooo bloody angry.

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kojackscat · 01/05/2015 11:08

Please excuse me, I need to say this

fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck

sorry.

I ask a plain straightforward question, I get an answer that means nothing, doesn't address this issue, and makes no bloody sense whatsoever!

I am soooo bloody angry.

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kojackscat · 28/04/2015 22:05

It might get to that stage, icimoi. But ill wait a couple of days to see if parent partnership can get any results.

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Icimoi · 28/04/2015 21:22

Can you ask the old LA when they passed it over?

I suggest you refer them to the bit in the Code of Practice about sending you the proposed EHCP with no school named and tell them that if they don't comply immediately you will have to take judicial review action. If they don't, contact SOS SEN about sending a formal pre-action letter.

kojackscat · 28/04/2015 20:49

That's unknown. We started the process in a different la, then moved house. The new la are refusing to say what date it was passed over to them, so we don't know when they are counting from. Each rime I ask I get brushed aside with an answer that means nothing.

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bedelia · 28/04/2015 19:59

From what I've read, LAs have 6 weeks after agreeing to produce an EHC plan to do assessments, after which they should produce a draft. A final plan MUST be issued within 20 weeks of the original application. I see where the grey area is...

How many weeks have passed since the application for EHCP was first made?

kojackscat · 28/04/2015 18:45

Sorry for the spelling!

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kojackscat · 28/04/2015 18:44

I have asked parent partnership to give them a nudge.
There is a small loophole in their published timescale. There is no time limit
On the step from agreeing to give him a plan to sending the draft plan out. It just explains that after the panel the plan will be sent out and I have 15 days to reply. We are now in the unmeasured bit between panel agreeing it, and the draft being posted to me.
So I know they HAVE to send it to me, but there is no deadline as to WHEN they have to.

Its aa if they use every trick in the book to avoid sorting things out. Um sure its a false economy, they must spend thousands on unnecessary burocracy.

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fairgame · 28/04/2015 18:21

They HAVE to send you the draft plan with the school left blank. That is in the code of practice.
Send them an email referring to the code of practice and that you expect you see your draft plan by xx date.

kojackscat · 28/04/2015 18:14

We seem to have reached a stumbling block. The la won't send me the draft plan until I tell them what school I want. I won't tell them what school I want until I have seen the draft plan.
I know by law they can't name a school on the draft, and have to give me 15 days to respond, and have a meeting with them if I want to.

So, it looks like it all stops here, until one of us gives in.
Which will be me, as I want ds to get some support. They could sit on it forever, they don't care if he gets the help or not.

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kojackscat · 27/04/2015 13:36

Thanks sazale. I had used that link for school performance data, but didn't realise it had financial data on it too. Its v useful.

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Icimoi · 27/04/2015 13:35

Your LA is 100% wrong. Refer them to page 166 of the new Code of Practice which sets out how they are required to have detailed and specified provision in part F of the EHCP.

sazale · 27/04/2015 07:39

If you find the schools you want to know info about on here
www.education.gov.uk/schools/performance/
At the bottom of the school's page is often the amount it's funded per child. It might be able to give you a rough idea while you get exact coatings.

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kojackscat · 26/04/2015 23:06

Wow. There are no indie ss round here. Shame. Or any indie schools that look anything like they could meet his needs.

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2boysnamedR · 26/04/2015 22:56

Indi ss isn't always more expensive. A friend told me she found out her indi tiny ss was about 60k cheaper (faint!)

kojackscat · 26/04/2015 20:58

Yes, she has. I think its just a waiting game now, to see what it says.

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