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DD2'd school report is in and we have Ed Psych on Thursday.

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lougle · 17/03/2014 23:06

So her report:

100% attendance (through blood, sweat and tears)

Attainment: B's for everything (in line with National Expectations for a child in that year group) except Reading, which she's got an A for (Above National Expectations for a child in that year group).

Effort: B's for everything. ("Good")

No mention is made of the fact that she's taken 5 months to settle in the class. No mention of dragonflies or the reasons for it.

Lots of very positive wording which glosses over gaps, IMO:

English
'tries hard to concentrate'
'with encouragement will offer an opinion'
'understanding of the main points during comprehension activities is developing'
'she is being encouraged to refer to the text...'
'beginning to vary the style of her writing',
'she must check that the language she uses fits in and makes sense.', 'shown that she can punctuate....however does not do so consistently', 'sometimes writes statements instead of sentences.'
'needs to consistently use connectives.'
'trying hard to form her letters carefully and join neatly'.

Mathematics
'DD2 tries hard.'
'She works with an adult when new concepts are introduced'
'...will then try to continue independently'
'usually listens during mental maths...tries to answer questions'
'being introduced to a range of apparatus'
'understanding of addition and subtraction facts to 10 is improving.'
'has experienced working with simple one step word problems. and is being encouraged to select her own practical apparatus....rather than just using fingers.

Personal and Social
'DD2 has experienced working in a variety of situations but benefits from working with a partner or in a group so she can develop her ideas before working independently.'
'Although she sometimes doesn't follow the instructions correctly she will now 'have a go' and not worry.'

So...I'm going to look like a fruitloop with the Ed Psychs, aren't I?

They'll hear about a child who is meeting 'national expectations.'

Yet, the teacher has been telling me that DD2 can't do x, y and z, isn't listening, etc. She agreed with me that 'Y3 is going to be a disaster'....

Meh. I'm fed up of this journey now. Stuff Holland, where's the plane to Italy? Wink

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lougle · 20/03/2014 07:38

Thank you both. It's not an Ed Psych assessment, it's a 'community bookable'appointment. Two Ed Psychs come and discuss Dd2 with us/SENCO, to explore concerns and suggest ideas, etc. They don't meet DD2.
DH is coming.

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AlarmOnSnooze · 20/03/2014 07:46

oh, that's better, imo. Rather that, where you can get your views and knowledge of dd2 (and the toll that the school day take) than an appt where the teacher/school meet with ed psych and dd2 and you don't get a look in.

rememb er to keep asking why the discrepancies in potential/results. and why her difficulties (ie the maths she can't cope with meaning she is not 'average' for year 2, etc) arenot being highlighted. just keep pointing out the two statements (dd2 is happy and achieving averagely, and her actual work output in class) cannot both be true, and ask which they think is more accurate, and why the other statement is happening.

good luck!

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Ineedmorepatience · 20/03/2014 08:03

Good luck for today lougle.

As you know Dd3 is similar to your Dd, she too can keep afloat academically but its getting harder and harder as she is getting older.

You are doing everything you possibly can for your Dd and she is lucky to have you.

Keep fighting!!

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lougle · 20/03/2014 10:44

I'm back. Thanks for the support.

The Ed Psychs were good. School's view was that DD2 is 'happy in school' and 'smiley' and 'likes adults and has a growing number of friends'.

She is 'average across the board' academically Hmm.

I've pointed out that she's actually very bright, so average academic achievement may well point to an issue.

They've suggested strategies for school/us to use - standard stuff - visuals, etc.

Apparently there is a meeting at the end of April with the Paed, SALT, SENCO and us to 'discuss the way forward'. I can't help thinking that the Paed will discharge because the SALT says she's fine.

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RaRaTheNoisyLion · 20/03/2014 11:34

Good. Document, document, thank, thank, document, ask for clarification, document strategies, dates, persons in attendance, thank, document etc.

This isn't going away. You will need evidence of what has been promised and then evidence of what works and what doesn't, plus evidence of your reasonableness, tenacity and willingness to work with the professionals and support at home.

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OddFodd · 20/03/2014 14:22

How can school say she's happy while at the same time agreeing that year 3 is going to be a disaster? Confused

How frustrating for you :( I'm so sorry to read your updates yesterday - Thanks and Brew for you. It's bloody hard work x

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lougle · 20/03/2014 15:59

It seems that the Class Teacher's off the cuff comments aren't a representation of the 'official position'. They don't match, but the SENCO is of the view that she's 'average'.

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MariaNotChristmas · 20/03/2014 18:55

Lougle, any chance of getting a more expert SLT assessment?
Cerebra funding? Or try for DLA?

If you don't get anywhere with the paediatrician, just having the stuff in the file already would make them take it more seriously if you were back 12m later.

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MariaNotChristmas · 20/03/2014 18:59

Trouble is, teachers get so fed up of people not wanting to hear 'average' that they get immune to parents disagreeing.

The knee-jerk pfb parents of little Johnny saying he's so very bright, he must have dyslexia will grow out of it. But meanwhile they have really harmed the non-pfb dc and parents whose SEN truly exist.

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youarewinning · 20/03/2014 20:28

Your doing great lougle your DD is one lucky girl to have a mum like you.

Keep ploughing on. DS infant school kept giving 'academically average across the board'. I knew otherwise and questioned and questioned it.

Guess what? He's years behind at literacy and years ahead in maths. This was clear through infants but they just refused didn't see it. Couldn't see why he could do easily and what he struggled with preferring to blame it on "DS is good at engaging in subjects he enjoys"

Well yes he is, pretty typical for a child with ASD, but also because he hated literacy they decided that he was poorer at it due to lack of interest not that lack of interest was due to the fact he needed more support and was demotivated in the subject iyswim?

He is still years behind in literacy but the juniors have fostered an interest in literacy with him and that's made a lot of difference because he understands 'why' it's useful and how he can feel good through using written language.

Hopefully by seeing this (and knowing our 2 are very similar!) it will give you some clues about things to discuss at the meeting. Help you get the educators to see it from the reverse side and get the support for your DD you want and she deserves.

Thanks

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RaRaTheNoisyLion · 20/03/2014 20:43

Schools are odd places aren't they? Just been told that dd has not made any progress in any measurable way since she started but not to worry because she is bright and was way ahead to start with.

In what world is that ever considered okay? Hmm

They are right. She'll be fine. I don't have that torturous worry of this being her one and only chance to get vital skills but if the system is failing HER of all kids, is there any point to it at all?

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youarewinning · 20/03/2014 21:26

RaRa I for the same re literacy? DS apparently a 2B at end of year 2. Continued as a 2B throughout yr 3 and 4. Eventually saw HT about no measurable progress to be told they were in the middle of contacting LA as they felt children were being sent up from infants too high but DS level in literacy was 'fine' and they weren't concerned. I said 2B expected end of yr 2 and as they felt he was a 2C in yr 4 whatever the case re LA he needed input that was not fine and then he was put on Sen register.
After Camhs referred for ASD assessment school now say yeah literacy is poor but that's due to ASD Hmm

No consistency in what they say - at all!

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AlarmOnSnooze · 20/03/2014 21:49

That was the gist of my conversation with dd2's HT a couple of weeks ago, RaRa. Apparently, it is odd to worry that your child has made no appreciable progress in a year (and, in some areas is documented as having gone backwards Confused) if their current scores are still average/above average for their age...

I too wondered what the point of it all was.

lougle, I'm glad you thought the ed psychs were ok. I wish it didn't all have to be such a struggle. agree with Maria - teachers switch off half the time when you try to air concerns as they've 'heard/seen it all before, and childrn do grow out of these quirks' (have lost count of how many times I've had that said to me!)

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BlackeyedSusan · 20/03/2014 23:55

actually, I read the report as she is needing a lot of support to function in the class room and is not doing very well at all and a lot of those targets seem to be year one targets. ex teacher so I speak teacherese.

using connectives is year one.

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lougle · 21/03/2014 07:08

That's the thing that's confusing me, Susan. I saw that, once I waded through the positive phrasing, but then the SENCO sat in front of two Ed Psychs and said that DD2 is 'average' and there are no problems. Her 'grade' is 'average'across three board except reading, which is ahead.

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AlarmOnSnooze · 21/03/2014 08:10

Did you ask (in an innocently confused voice) why an average year 2 child is working towards year 1 targets?

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OddFodd · 21/03/2014 09:56

We're supposed to lower our expectations because our children have SN, however intelligent they are. So we're supposed to be happy that our children aren't really falling behind, even though we know that if you took the SN away, they'd probably be in the top set for everything. It's about keeping them to a level where they're not dragging the scores way down, rather than getting them to a level where they're pulling them up

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OddFodd · 21/03/2014 10:04

Just to clarify that obviously not all children with SN would be Oxbridge material without their SN, it's just the expectation that average is good enough which gets on my tits

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lougle · 21/03/2014 10:43

DD2 isn't even on the SEN register, as far as I'm aware. She's a 'happy smiley' girl who just happens to need ELSA and nurture group to keep her attending school.

She's off today, first time this year. I took her to school and asked her teacher to look at a small cluster of spots on her upper torso and tell me if it was the start of Chicken Pox (it's going around her year group and she only had one spot when DD1 & DD3 both had it a couple of years ago). Her teacher thinks it's possible so she's having a sofa day.

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lougle · 21/03/2014 21:28

DD2 has had the most lovely day. She just relaxed, had a sleep mid-morning, occupied herself. It was like she was floating on a cloud. She looked positively serene all day until her sisters came home.

The cluster of spots looks the same this evening as it did this morning, so only time will tell whether she's got the Pox or just a weird cluster of spots.

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MariaNotChristmas · 21/03/2014 22:00

Depends what they call average.
If it's 5th-95th centile, 27 dc per class are average; only 1.5 dc are below

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bjkmummy · 21/03/2014 22:09

got my daughters specialist teacher to test my daughter last week - shes below the 5th centile on everything - mainly shes 2nd or 3rd centile but school still think im mad that there is any issue and she is making good progress? shes year 5 now and every school report she has had has all been positivie and yet she suddenly woke up to being nearly 4 years behind and noone sees an issue except me! lots of talk of good progress but strangely no evidence of it.... im sure they say things to make us feel like its just us being mad mums

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