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Here are some suggested organisations that offer expert advice on special needs.

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Here are some suggested organisations that offer expert advice on special needs.

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Parts 2 & 3 - statement

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sweetteamum · 21/04/2013 12:51

I'm just going through this bloody statement - again!!

I'm just wondering if the provision specified in part 3, could account for more than one need in part 2

There is more needs than provision at the minute and I'm convinced I'm doing something wrong.

Thank you so much.

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sweetteamum · 23/04/2013 16:47

The LA took that comment of the SLT report just before SLT discharged DD (without telling me). This is clearly going to tribunal anyway and I have no problem with getting indi report done - is this best to get now or leave it closer to tribunal time?

The SLT does point out numerous difficulties and needs identified however the LA have failed to put that in the proposed statement. I'm currently making sure they are put in during my amendments.

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KOKOagainandagain · 23/04/2013 16:56

Book now. Good ones are busy. Make sure that they do tribunal reports. You can always cancel. You can either time the assessment report to submit at parental evidence or final evidence tribunal deadline. Don't worry NHS SALT may do limited testing and declare all is fine where comprehensive assessment clearly shows that all is not well. Trouble is if you do not do the assessment to show a problem you do not have to solve it ...

sweetteamum · 23/04/2013 17:11

Thanks Keepon. I'll get onto this first thing tomorrow.

Just for the record most of the difficulties on the proposed statement will come from the SALT report the NHS provided, it's just the LA have kept lots out (i've yet to solve that problem).

How can they say, an almost 12 year old, with a language age of 6.6 does not need therapy!! :(

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moondog · 23/04/2013 17:21

'LA are refusing to put SALT in parts 2/3. They've acknowledged the reports with lots of difficulties but say that any outside therapies needed to be provided in parts 5/6'

Communication needs have been established as educational needs and as such they must go into parts 2 and 3.
As explained here

It makes me so mad when this happens (as it does, over nad over again). They know exactly what they are doing which is wriggling out of their legal obligations. When there is little to no s/lt, they will then shrug and blame the NHS. Mention you are clear about the 'Lancashire Judgement' and they will be uturning so fast you will see skid marks.

I am an s/lt.

moondog · 23/04/2013 17:23

However, there is of course the issue of whether the s& l therapy you receive is any good. Many therapeutic inputs are of limited use as they are neither evidence based or measurable. Nevertheless, it is the principle that counts.
Do not let people fob you off with incorrect information and to shirk their duties.

sweetteamum · 23/04/2013 18:51

Moondog, thank you. It's so refreshing to hear again (and again) that i'm doing the right thing and pushing for what DD SHOULD get.

I think the meeting to discuss placement will be tough. I've gone through all the proposed statement, along with all the appendices and they have left so much out it's unbelieveable - actually, it's not, it's shocking that they get away with it time and again.

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StarlightMcKenzie · 23/04/2013 19:06

sweet It's good that you sound more confident. I remember when I was where you are now. You just can't quite believe that these people know that puting SALT in part 6 is not legal because when you raise it they laugh at you and make out you're a bit confused and out of your depth.

sweetteamum · 23/04/2013 19:11

Star, you've hit the nail on the head. Thats exactly how they've said it and exactly how i've felt. I keep going back reading the toolkit, ipsea etc just in case they are right. They never are though. I'll be more prepared at this meeting and will take my (written all over) toolkit, the lancashire judgement, my proposed amendments and hit them where it hurts - they've got me so mad today.

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moondog · 23/04/2013 19:13

You have to remember a couple of things.
Firstly, a lot of parents don't really care what is sorted out so tacit feeling amongst LEA bods of of 'why should we bother?' as the parent(s) in question aren't bothered.

Most parents are not (for one reason and another) like the sort of people who post on MN.

Secondly, your efforts can be likened to a horse race.
Many people just give up straight away (horses falling at first fence)
Several give up after raising a mild fuss (horses falling at fifth or sixth fence)
Only a very few make it to the finishing line.

Make sure you are one of those who touches that tape.

It is unfair and yet that is how it is. It is also helpful to look at it from their perspective. If they instantly rushed to tidy everything up for those who raise their voices even a tad, very soon, public money would be spent funding reiki, crystal healing, dolphin therapy and holding therapy.

This is a form of weeding out the faint hearted, indolent and plain mad.

StarlightMcKenzie · 23/04/2013 19:15

No point in getting mad. Stay cool and know that this is a well trodden path and above all have faith in yourself.

moondog · 23/04/2013 19:17

Remember also that most professionals have not read the SENCOP,Lamb Enquiry, Bercow Report, IPSEA landmark judgements and so on.
You have.

StarlightMcKenzie · 23/04/2013 19:31

So what on earth do they DO then?

moondog · 23/04/2013 19:56

Noone has ever told them to read them!
I'd never even heard of half of them until I had to iykwim.

They are busy however. Whether it is things that you would consider to be important is aonther matter of course.
Remember also that caseloads are huge.

sweetteamum · 23/04/2013 19:59

I will take your advice. Thank you for (another) kick up the arse :)

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DailyNameChanger · 23/04/2013 22:31

Hi sweetteamum I am in a similar place, got proposed statement last week and have spent the whole day at my kitchen table reading, re-reading and drafting up a response. It's exhausting. I am ten times better at arguing my point on paper than in person, where I turn into a gibbering wreck. Actually I don't any more, I cover it by adopting a passive aggressive stance with no emotion on show whatsoever. Not sure if it helps really! Going to take a break from it tomorrow and do another mega day on Thursday.

sweetteamum · 24/04/2013 08:01

Hi Daily, thanks for replying. Yes, I'm just the same. Give me a laptop and/or paper and I can argue all day. However, something's happens to me when I'm face to face.

I had a little break yesterday so am back to working my way through, ready to send my response and proposed amendments to them. They won't be happy as I've actually put all assessed needs in there, whereas they hadn't put everything in.

Enjoy your day away from it.

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MareeyaDolores · 24/04/2013 14:26

it's sitting on those little infant school chairs that does it for me. Makes me feel 4y old again.

Don't know how they manage to find mini-chairs for parents even in the juniors or head's office. And wtf do schools still smell of chalk 10y after they've all been exclusively using interactive whiteboards

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