So we were about to move my 8 week old into her own room...

[MamaErmintrude]

... When this weekend age suddenly started sleeping through the night we are grateful to all the gods in heaven for this highly unexpected turn of events and now we're scared to change anything in case it jinxes it! However if we don't move her we won't actually be able to take advantage of the fact she's sleeping through because she is SO noisy it's like sleeping in a zoo So - should we leave her in our room for a while so the sleeping through is embedded, or should we move her now so that it becomes embedded in her room rather than risking a change in a few weeks which sets her back? Btw we know the SIDS advice about being in with us until 6 months and we're happy with the choice we're making to move her, just a question of when. PS this is not a stealth boast. Until she moves, we aren't sleeping even if she is!

[MamaErmintrude]

keeping I'm working on the principle of "every little helps"...! I'm also tbh more concerned about having to use ear plugs with her. I'm hoping that i could drop them if she's a wee bit further away, which feels far safer?

Monkey yes, I'm also BFing and i am so so tired that I'm terrified of falling asleep on her and crushing her. Hence looking for solutions to increase my sleep - without decreasing hers!

Keeping just re read - why would you think i want her to get used to her room?! i cant see any reason why you'd think that from my post but just in case it wasn't clear, we need to find a way to increase my sleep without decreasing hers!

[Monkeydust]

Theres so a reason your advised not.to.co sleep but alot of people ignore that.

If dd fell asleep while feeding.it was less disruptive for her being placed back in her cot then walking from one room to another.

The point is as a parent I made a choice and it worked for my family. No one was hurt and I and dd are incredibly close.

If op feels it is right for her for her own reasons I say do what you feel is right for your family

[FATEdestiny]

Is she breastfed between 7pm and 7am?

[MamaErmintrude]

fate the last two nights she has eaten at 10pm and 5am. She's been fed on demand since birth and just seems to have gradually increased the amount of time she's slept until she wakes and wants food?

[Keepingupwiththejonesys]

should we move her now so that it becomes embedded in her room rather than risking a change in a few weeks which sets her back?

These are your exact words and why I would think that from your post.

Anyway, you've asked for advice and almost everyone has said keep baby in your room. Up to you what you do with that advice

[MamaErmintrude]

(maybe that doesn't technically count as sleeping through, but it seems pretty good to us )

[mainlywingingit]

The reason the advice is 6 months is because babies sleeping in the same room sleep more lightly (and parents!) due to snoring , grunting , moving etc as you have demonstrated.

This keeps the baby going into a deep sleep thus reduces SID.

Please stick to the recommended 6 months. Monitors won't fix this as they don't hear you.

[MamaErmintrude]

keeping ah sorry, i see why you thought that. I'll try and explain better! We think we're going to have to move her at some point because of the noise. But! We don't want to jeopardise the sleeping through. So to balance the two, should we move her now or later is essentially my question. I'm grateful for people's input but i feel that most posters haven't actually answered that question, they've been giving answers based on their beliefs around where a baby should sleep. Rather than, we're going to move her - when should we? That's of course entirely their prerogative but I'm still hoping someone could advise on the question I'm trying to ask! NB i also realise people might not be answering my question because i haven't explained it very well and I'm sorry if that's the case

[MamaErmintrude]

(with later being - a few weeks time, not when she's 6 months!)

[PonderLand]

Are the noises that she's making grunts? Like trying to poo? Or is she squirming? It could be related to reflux (squirming) or her immature digestive system. Or is she congested? Try a Vicks plug in or similar (I can't remember what there is on the market for newborns). I'd keep her in with you but try safe co-sleeping if you're exhausted, you might find you're a lot more aware of her than you realise when you're sleeping with her. You could try it during the day time first whilst your partner can keep an eye on you both and give you piece of mind.

I hope you find a solution soon!

[mainlywingingit]

No offence OP but the priority is safely getting through the 6 months when SIDS often occurs.

The priority shouldn't be you getting the best sleep.

I just sucked it up and stuck to the advice.

[Gallavich]

You'll get used to her noises, honestly. You'll sleep through them eventually, once you start getting used to her not always waking up. She should be in your room. Sorry.

[coolaschmoola]

My DH's family took part in the research that informs the sleep safe, sleep sound, share a room with me ethos.

TWO babies that did not wake up - both in their own rooms from six weeks. Two babies whose deaths destroyed lives. Two babies whose autopsies showed no cause of death. They literally stopped breathing.

Over three hundred babies a YEAR die from SIDS in the UK - in the vast majority of cases it's because the sleep safe rules have been ignored.

Your tiny baby has not yet sufficiently developed the respiratory reflex to be able to guarantee maintaining her breathing in a deep sleep. The recommendation to share a room is so that they regulate because hearing parents breathe reminds them to, and also because the noise people make in their sleep stops babies falling into too deep a sleep. That simply won't be the case if your child is not in your room.

Is your sleep really important enough to risk the LIFE of your child?

The research you are dismissing in favour of some sleep (which a lack of is NORMAL for a parent) is informed by the information given by the parents of dead babies and studies of subsequent children in their family. It's not arbitrary.

There is ONLY one way to sleep safe for a child under six months - and that is in the room with it's parents.

Sorry if this is harsh - but it's not as harsh as a five year old finding their sibling blue and stiff in their cot.

[PonderLand]

I think the posters on this thread all waited till 6m+, I moved my son at 7 months.

Information from isisonline - babies are at most risk of sids between 2-3 months of age (I'm unsure if that's the same if the baby is prem).

Also, incase you haven't read the information on isisonline :

The largest UK study (CESDI)?
 found that out of 321 babies whose death was classified as SIDS, 114 died when they were alone in a room, compared to 81 who were room-sharing.

[upwardsandonwards33]

Your baby's safety is as pp said a priority rather than how much sleep you are getting. Keep her in your room for a few more months not just a few more weeks.
It's beyond me that anyone would ignore SIDS advice.
My dd did lots of that grunting to begin with when she was a newborn. Apparently it's quite normal. I even took a recording of her to the gp.

[BounceBounceSplishSplash]

I'm grateful for people's input but i feel that most posters haven't actually answered that question, they've been giving answers based on their beliefs around where a baby should sleep

I get what you're asking. Which option is less likely to jeopardise her sleeping through - moving her now or in a few weeks? I still think you shouldn't move her until 6 months. I'm not going to advise on now or in a few weeks because I don't think either option is best safety-wise.

[Fruitcocktail6]

What coolaschmoola said.

As someone who is struggling to conceive and desperately wants a baby, I find it rather disturbing that people even risk it for the sake of a slightly quieter night.

[PenelopeParmesan]

Sleeping in the same room is one of the factors that the EVIDENCE says reduces the risk of SIDS. Why on earth do you want to increase the risk, because your baby is a noisy sleeper? Really?

[Timetogrowup2016]

Wouldn't consider moving at this age.
Dd went in own room at 5.5 months

[HatHen]

Why dont you buy the sensor and move her to her own room?

[LapinR0se]

I would love to see the SIDS risk factors ranked in order of frequency.
From what I understand, unsafe co-sleeping and parents who smoke are are the main culprits. But am struggling to find the data

[FATEdestiny]

Is this your first child MamaErmintrude?

8 weeks is no time at all to learn to respond to baby's cues. Having baby near you 24/7 is part of the learning and bonding process.

Even noisy babies need to be close for you to learn the subtle behaviours that indicates a need.

It's highly likely, for example, that some of these grunts and noises mean something. Accepting you can ignore them is not going to be a good way to begin to understand your baby's communication.

[AppleMagic]

There is no evidence the sensors prevent SIDS, HatHen.

[LapinR0se]

Am researching now and I have found out the following:

• There were 212 cases of SIDS in England and Wales in 2014
  
• The UK has the lowest rate of SIDS in the Western world at 0.3 cases per 1000 of live births, the lowest since records began
  
• 64% of these were boys
  
• smoking in the household increases the risk by 5 times
  

Other risk factors include premature birth, low maternal age (under 20) and lower-income socioeconomic profile.

Things you can do to help prevent SIDS:

• Place baby to sleep on its back in its own bed or co sleeper with no blanket, bumper or soft toys
  
• Cool sleeping environment of 16 - 20 degrees celsius
  
• Use of a dummy (unclear why)
  
• Room sharing (but not bed sharing) up to 6 months. Hypothesis is that parents' breathing regulates the baby's but this is unproven.
  

The use of monitors has not proven to be effective
Evidence regarding swaddling is unclear