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Looneytune253 · 07/03/2017 07:54

Has anyone ever looked into sending their child to a private school? My daughter is 12 and really not getting what she needs at the local comp. She's extremely intelligent (predicted all 9s and 8s for gcse) and she got one mark from full marks on her y6 sats). Wondering if it would be worth it to apply to a private school for a bursary? Theres an excellent school with an open day next saturday. I'm worried about her fitting in? The school shes in at the minute shes more than the black sheep in class and no one takes their work seriously and are continuously picking on her. We are in talks at the moment about moving classes but they are very reluctant. We also viewed a local technical school (but they have a specialisation in STEM which is what she would need for her future career. This is a free academy but the academic results aren't great. Does anyone have any advice?

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BertrandRussell · 07/03/2017 13:53

Looney- it sounds as if the bursar didn't my understand the situation. Ring again and ask what the maximum bursary they offer is. Also ask about scholarships- your dd is very able so might qualify.

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Looneytune253 · 07/03/2017 13:53

Wow I didn't know that bertrand. Thats pretty impresive (the 2% thing). She wasnt happy she didnt get all 9s lol.

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Looneytune253 · 07/03/2017 13:56

Bertrand it says on website they do do 100% bursaries.

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geordiedench · 07/03/2017 14:02

Typically people move to private secondary schools at age 11 or age 13. ie year 7 or 9. There may be room for her to move in yr 8 but it's unusual. Good private schools in our area are way over subscribed. So definitely start moving for her to be sitting the exam for yr 9 entry.
She'll be competing against privately educated children, so check the school's exam syllabus. E.g. in our schools 13+ there's a Latin exam. Any half decent school should make allowances for bright pupils coming in from state schools and ensure they're not compromised but it's worth checking.

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LIZS · 07/03/2017 14:03

But they may not actually give any 100% bursaries in a given year especially to those joining part way. It is encouraging if you were asked about an early start date as that might suggest there is a space. However it may be a full fee place. Were you speaking to Admissions or the Bursar? Best to be clear before you visit.

There are threads in Education every year where mnetters apply for selective private schools for their dc and bursaries but eventually get offered a full fees place or scholarship but without bursary, even from the most generous of schools

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BertrandRussell · 07/03/2017 14:05

If I were you I would also ask why they have vacancies at Easter in year 7. I'd expect a good school to be full.....

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Clavinova · 07/03/2017 14:06

You can check how well your dd's current school provide for high attainers (based on KS2 results) here:

www.compare-school-performance.service.gov.uk/

Search for the school by name, select, then scroll down to 'performance by prior attainment' and look at the Progress 8 score for high attainers - a minus score is not good.

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Clavinova · 07/03/2017 14:12

I'd expect a good school to be full.... Top 50 UK schools near me (so that's 80% + A*/A grades at GCSE) often have ad hoc spaces in most years.

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Looneytune253 · 07/03/2017 14:19

Thank you clavinova that's very helpful. Her current school is -0.15 and the technical school is -0.86 there are no results for the private school as it changed its status in the last year.

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Looneytune253 · 07/03/2017 14:20

The private one is named in top 200 nationally and 2nd in region for gcses though.

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Clavinova · 07/03/2017 14:27

A top 200 school sounds good - you should apply. Perhaps contact other private schools nearby as well if they are in that list. You should discount the technical school I think.

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Knowledgablebursaryadvise · 07/03/2017 14:40

Op Ive spent years negotiating bursaries for my DC;s. IME there are three types of school: those who only offer means bursaries to scholars/high achievers in their entrance exams this is usually pretty clearly stated on their websites, the number of bursaries may vary some will only over a few other lots, the size of the bursary is often dependent on the numbers being offered, e.g. schools which offer up to 100% may only off 5-6 a year means tested bursaries attached to scholarships. The second group make very grandiose claims on their websites about their bursaries, they talk about widening access, offering children whose parents can't afford the fees a chance to have this once in a life time education etc etc. They might even mention bursaries up to 100% but in reality bursaries of this size will only be made in very exceptional circumstances, death of parents etc in general these schools will knock off about 30% max. Thirdly there are a few schools out there who are genuinely trying to move or indeed have moved to a needs blind admissions policy, they are offering very generous means tested bursaries of up to 100% but they are generally very big names (usually very academic and over subscribed) and with matching wealth in assets etc and lots of very wealthy parents and old boys/girls who are donating money to the bursary fund.
If I was you I would contact the bursar again ask to speak to him personally say that you like the school and it would be a perfect fit for you bright DD etc etc then say but I only earn X I dont/do have any significant assets (if you have these e.g. second home, then your chances are not great TBH) and therefore would need a very substantial bursary to send her 75% or whatever (be specific). Say I'm not asking you to commit yourself to me as an individual but before I bring my DD to your open day and raise her hopes I just want to know if this would even be a goer? Make sure he is aware of what year group your DD would be going into bursars don't always listen.to the micro detail. Some bursars offices seem to have this idea that if you attend an open day and really love the school and then find you can't get a bursary you'll somehow manage to magic up the money. This is why you need to speak to them about the details, if they don't want to discuss it I would I suspect your wasting your time.
We move our DC's because of poor academic performance at their so called "outstanding" school, the younger 1 has done very well at his school the older one less well probably no better than in the state sector. Private doesn't mean its going to be more pushy especially at the less academic end of private schools. Also don't be embarrassed if you want a bursary youre going to have to happy talking about your financial situation and what you can actually afford.
It also never ceases to amaze me at the number pf parents who say their school is a 'top 10' or even 'top 5', but if you look into it carefully they're not actually that good, the "top 10" independent schools are pretty unchanged year on year and many no longer in published league tables. Do look very carefully at their exam results, and if possible leavers destinations, anywhere selective should be better than a non selective state school and don't forget some will ask lower achievers to leave after GCSE's and some bus in high achieving foreign children to boost A levels results.
Behaviour isn't guaranteed to be better, not are pupils guaranteed to be more motivated or hard working.
Good luck.

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Clavinova · 07/03/2017 16:08

Knowledgablebursary/advise/advice?
Why does the op need a 'top 5' or 'top 10' in the country school? So you would discount Dulwich College, Alleyn's or Tonbridge as not being good enough for example?

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Hoppinggreen · 07/03/2017 16:12

It would be unusual for a Private school to be fed a bursary or academic scholarship mid year or for year 8 but worth a phone call I would say.

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Knowledgablebursaryadvise · 07/03/2017 16:53

Why does the op need a 'top 5' or 'top 10' in the country school? So you would discount Dulwich College, Alleyn's or Tonbridge as not being good enough for example?
The wasn't what was trying to say I not criticising any of the schools you mention or any school other private school for that matter. What I was perhaps unsuccessfully trying to say is that when a school or even another parent claim their school is in the top 5/10/20 or 200 in the region/county/country or even the bottom 5/10/20/200 and your using it as a indication of success and quality or not of a particular school check it out carefully for yourself don't read the headline figures always look at a breakdown of grades. IME some private schools are very good at making their results look better than they actually. And as someone once said to me if you very carefully select the top 1% in the country you results will reflect this.

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Iamastonished · 07/03/2017 17:07

DD is at a state comprehensive school, in year 12 now. In years 7 and 8 she was in mixed ability classes, but by year 9 she was put in the top sets for everything and manged to lose the disruptive students to the bottom sets.

She did extremely well in her GCSEs, so it might be worth talking to the current school and asking when they start setting for subjects.

"My school year was £24,000-26,000 each year"

Shock
Was it a boarding school? The private schools round here charge about £12k a year.

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BertrandRussell · 07/03/2017 17:16

Frankly, it would be more surprising if private schools didn't do well examswise. Selective schools do. If you're comparing, you need to compare ability groups, not cohorts. If you look at the results my ds and his peers will get in August, they will, (dv), bear comparison to any other school in the country, even a top private. The problem is that there are only 7 of them, so they don't have much impact on the school's headline figures!

But I assume very few people go private for results alone.

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Knowledgablebursaryadvise · 07/03/2017 17:21

"But I assume very few people go private for results alone."
I agree Bertrand but I've noticed whenever there's a private versus state debate on here quite a few will come long and say that their state schools achieves similar or better results than their local private school. Results however impressive or not are not everything, a good private school results are only a small part of what they offer and and hopefully what people are paying for. And as you say you need to compare ability groups not cohorts.

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Iamastonished · 07/03/2017 17:37

The differences will become more apparent as the lack of funding in state education continues.

DD's school has no SENCO provision, class sizes are getting bigger and extra curricular activities are being scaled back. The more this government cuts back the more state secondary schools will just concentrate on the 8 - 10 essential GCSE subjects and nothing else.

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GU24Mum · 07/03/2017 17:43

Agree with the others that you probably should have a look at the other schools (don't take DD unless you know there's some chance of a bursary else she'll fall in love with a dream) AND see what you can do to help her at the current school. Y7 is a difficult time - some find their feet straightaway and others don't. One of mine found Y7 very hard and was close to wanting to leave the school or change class but is now in Y8 and much happier.

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Allthebestnamesareused · 07/03/2017 17:51

Iamastonished £12k a year is more like prep school fees in our area (in fact many are about £15) . For senior schools it is usually £16-24k for day fees in our area.


whereabouts are you?

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Iamastonished · 07/03/2017 17:52

The schools I am thinking of are in West Yorkshire.

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Comingupcabbages · 07/03/2017 18:18

What's that Mumsnet phrase? Oh yes, comingupcabbages- did you mean to be so rude?

Laughing at you calling posters rude Bertrand, you are one of the worst on private school threads.

I often wonder why you post on the threads given your vocal opposition to them?

With regards to 100% bursaries being rare, I know children on 100% at Sevenoaks (joined part way through), Tonbridge, Ibstock place (90%) and Walthamstow Hall.
I know a girl on 60% at Kent College.

I appreciate that this is one area of the country but I can't be that unusual.
These are not dc that I think are 'exceptional', they are bright and one is very good at sport.

Unfortunately these places are nabbed by the sharp elbowed middle class but that is another debate.

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Comingupcabbages · 07/03/2017 18:21

If I were you I would also ask why they have vacancies at Easter in year 7. I'd expect a good school to be full.....

Sevenoaks is not bad by all accounts...

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BeanBabies · 07/03/2017 18:24

Iamastonsihed it wasn't, it's a IB school that doesn't do boarding. That was just the school fees for the year, not including food, school trips, bus, field trips and everything else.

That was the minimum fee for UK/domestic students. Ages 3-4 was £7,200 annually for a half day.

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