Only 32 Troops to Teachers

[noblegiraffe]

There were 180 places in the first round of recruitment, only 41 places were taken up and only 32 teachers have emerged at the end.

www.tes.com.c.tes.ent.platform.sh/news/school-news/breaking-news/troops-teachers-scheme-misses-target

What a stupid waste of money.

Still, teacher recruitment crisis, what crisis? Eh, Nick Gibb?

[Teenmum60]

AssassinatedBeauty No not just finances it would appear any change that may threaten their jobs which is the same in any workplace be it the public or private sector....jobs are not for life anymore. My role in banking and financial services was outsourced 5 years ago.

No one has said that the Armed Forces should run schools likewise teachers should not run businesses when they have no knowledge of the commercial world and finance.

This thread was started because the Op was not happy with a scheme set up to train Ex Miltary as teachers, it was one-sided and did not look at how difficult it could be for Ex Miltary to find alternative careers and was actually looking to address over the resource in one public sector to under-resourced in another.

The Op on another thread is not happy with Desperate DfE tells teacher trainers to take all comers onto PGCEs, plus infinite chances to pass skills tests....

I actually think the Op contributes allot to assist parents on this forum with her knowledge of her subject.

I have several teachers who are friends and several of have been replaced over the last 3/4 years - All for younger cheaper models.

[noblegiraffe]

I can understand your concern like many teachers I know of a certain grade or age who are concerned that they will be replaced by lower paid NQT's if someone looks at costs independently

Replacing experienced teachers with NQTs is exactly the sort of idiotic decision that someone with no idea about education would make, yes. But if you really want to see what can happen when someone with no clue about education is put in charge of stuff, just look at Gove.

[noblegiraffe]

was one-sided and did not look at how difficult it could be for Ex Miltary to find alternative careers and was actually looking to address over the resource in one public sector to under-resourced in another.

I was not happy with the scheme because it was a colossal waste of money and a complete failure. And actually if you read the thread, those things have been discussed.

[AssassinatedBeauty]

So teachers are all simply motivated by trying to protect their jobs above anything else? That's their bottom line when it comes to their attitudes to new initiatives or changes to their workplace?

Is there an over-resource of staff in the armed forces? Are they making lots of them redundant because they've got way too many of them?

Anyway. It would be refreshing if a government could actually look at why staff are leaving teaching and why retaining staff long-term is becoming more difficult. Rather than these endless initiatives to try and recruit a few more teachers here and there.

[noblegiraffe]

I heard on the radio a couple of months ago some army chief saying that they were struggling to recruit and were launching a new ad campaign 'can I be gay/muslim/talk about my feelings in the army?' because their usual pool of white male school-leavers was dwindling so they were having to try to open up to a wider audience. He was saying that otherwise they wouldn't have enough people to adequately defend the country.

[Teenmum60]

Did I imply that all teachers were only motivated by just keeping their jobs?

I stated - I could understand why teachers would not welcome external business managers looking after finances and qualifications being diluted because that creates uncertainty having seen three teacher friends all lose their jobs to NQT's and a one to a change in policy where staffing was reviewed because costs need to be cut.

Schemes don't work overnight ...they have to be seen to be working in some cases. The press and any teachers I have come into contact with certainly don't give me - Come and train to be a teacher because all I seem to hear is negativity.

[AssassinatedBeauty]

How do teachers in-post lose their jobs to be replaced by teachers that are younger and cheaper? Were they pushed out by threats of disciplinary action and jumped before that could officially happen? Or were they only on temporary contracts and not renewed?

[Verbena37]

www.telegraph.co.uk/education/2017/08/14/army-chief-reveals-plans-entice-school-leavers-sandhurst-offering/

It was General Nanson, commandant of Sandhurst. They have got a shortfall of young people signing up.

[AssassinatedBeauty]

Maybe there should be a scheme for all the newly qualified teachers who leave teaching in the first few years to be recruited into the army.

[Verbena37]

noble yes, Northants.
They’ve pretty much admitted the move to two tier came at the wrong time and was rushed. November ofsted said school ‘needs improvement’....academy’s not supporting the school across all areas.

The leader of the council pushed two tier through, saying it was for the good of the kids.....load of rubbish. Nothing has improved in 2 years.

Anyway, sorry if I derailed the thread a bit by implying military officers should run MATS....I didn’t mean to steer away from the main thread.

[noblegiraffe]

It wasn't Sandhurst, it was the general army:
"The army has been plunged into a recruitment crisis while battling government funding cuts, which could see troop numbers plunge below 82,000. Now, millions of pounds are being spent in a bid to reach out to gay communities across Britain, who may not be joining the armed forces due to fears of stigma or rejection."

www.rt.com/uk/415453-british-army-gay-recruits/

So they don't appear to have loads of spare troops lying around eager to teach maths.

[Verbena37]

Aha right.

[noblegiraffe]

Assassinated managed out through competency procedures is the usual way. So, bullying.