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Is my husband a narcissist and should I leave him?

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PoisedPearlBee · 16/04/2024 21:24

Do I need to leave? 

Please be kind with your responses. I have been through a lot in the last few years including a very close bereavement and it has been all I could do to focus on one thing at a time.

Recently I have reached an epiphany where I realised that my husband is abusive and I believe, a narcissist. 

We have been married almost 5 years and have two kids together. He has been increasingly abusive - including frequent physical abuse that will leave visible bruises on my arms. During arguments he shouts at me aggressively and puts me down calling me fat, telling me to shut my fat mouth, saying he could have done better than me, I’m not doing ‘my job’ as a wife and mother, I’m a useless effing c etc etc. 

I also believe there is financial abuse. He took the lead with finances and admin from the beginning and whilst I don’t like dealing with that stuff I’d always done it myself when I was single and expected to be included in discussions and privy to information that concerned us both. However, he has taken control of everything to the point that I don’t know what bank accounts he has, how much money is in them - I have no access. I don’t know what our household outgoings are. Yet everything is in my name including the mortgage and car. There is also a credit card that has been maxed out (also in my name). He told me I should use it for all household related spendings during my first maternity leave and he would pay the balance each month in full. Turned out he was paying the minimum and now we are in extreme credit card debt and I can’t even access the account to know what’s going on. 

After snooping in his email account that was left signed in (I felt there was something he wasn’t being honest about) I discovered that the week of our wedding a court date had to be rescheduled for the re possession of his flat due to not making payments. I didn’t have a clue about any of this. He avoid re possession but I could have married the guy and come back from honeymoon with nowhere to live! 

I have no money and I’m in debt as a result of him not being willing to discuss finances and having to pay for things out of my overdraft and credit cards. He knows this would be a barrier to me leaving. How can I leave when I don’t have a penny to my name and nowhere to go? I have no family support which suits him very well. 

I would consider taking the kids and moving country where I could avail of a good expat package that would include accommodation etc and hopefully sell the house to pay off our debts. I’m worried he has a lot more personal debt than he is letting on. 

Anyway, would moving away break my eldest (my youngest is just a baby) It would be a massive change and he loves his Dad so much. Furthermore, I think my husband would be extreme shock as I’ve always threatened to leave but I don’t think he believes I ever would. I also worry for his mental health - that the shame of having his wife leave him would be more than he could cope with. 

There is so much swirling through my head. Some days I think we can make it work but increasingly I know I have to leave. I just don’t know how. And I’m scared to face the grief and the shame. I like being married. As badly as he has abused me I still love him. Bizarre. 

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Sleepingallday · 16/04/2024 21:32

Your last two paragraphs I could have written myself… in a similar situation with questioning whether to leave here. So I feel for you!

It does sound like you’re at the end of your tether and maybe ready to leave, very hard to consider doing with young kids I know. from what you’ve written he does sound very controlling especially with the finances, and the fact he’s bruised you is absolutely not on and for that alone you would be fully justified to leave.

I hope you can find some strength to do what’s best for you and your kids. All the best

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Triangulasaurus · 16/04/2024 21:38

Don't get caught up on the "narcissist" diagnosis. It's become very trendy to label anyone who is an arsehole with it.
Does he make you happy? Do you feel safe? Do you feel respected? If not - leave him and put yourself first.

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Frith2013 · 16/04/2024 21:48

Go to the police.

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DrunkenElephant · 16/04/2024 21:49

Go to the police, please.

It is financial, emotional and physical abuse. If that feels to scary right now, please call Women's Aid. They will help you x

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coastalhawk · 16/04/2024 21:51

Big hug OP. Yes you will leave and you will eventually be so happy for it. Be careful and plan well and carefully to protect yourself and kids. Lots of resources on here about doing this without letting on. Good luck!!

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coastalhawk · 16/04/2024 21:52

coastalhawk · 16/04/2024 21:51

Big hug OP. Yes you will leave and you will eventually be so happy for it. Be careful and plan well and carefully to protect yourself and kids. Lots of resources on here about doing this without letting on. Good luck!!

Actually replace 'big hug' with 'solidarity and support'. Don't want to force a hug on you!!

Also, the children will be fine.

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Savoretti · 16/04/2024 21:55

Omg this is almost exactly the situation I was in. I was terrified of leaving, of what he would do. But I did. Ones to take all the debts he had left in my name, he had also remortgaged the house so I had no money from that.
He couldn’t believe I had actually done it, but my god it was the best thing ever, for me and the children. We had to start again with nothing. But freedom from him was worth it.
Call women’s aid and get support. Feel free to DM me too if you would like

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Greywitch2 · 16/04/2024 21:57

He has been increasingly abusive - including frequent physical abuse that will leave visible bruises on my arms.

He's abusive. That's all I needed to read. Don't try and diagnose him - just leave him.

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BlackStrayCat · 16/04/2024 21:57

What concerns me is you think you could take the DCs: you couldnt.

FWIW I agree with a PP about NPD being bandied about too much. (Just 2 threads by people with arsehole bfs today, not narcissists)
However; yes. He sounds like he has NPD to me. I have experience in this.

You need to go to the police and divorce him.
He could ruin your life.

You need to go to the bank asap and document ABSOLUTELY everything.
Get your marriage cert and birth certs. Its all you need to start the process.

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NotbloodyGivingupYet · 16/04/2024 21:58

You will do your children tremendous harm if you don't leave. They will witness their mum being abused by their dad.
Are you in the UK? You are talking of moving country so I'm not sure.

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unbelievablescenes · 16/04/2024 21:59

I was also you. He's not concerned about your mental health, he thinks you're a possession, he will damage your child worse by being in this relationship and you are being horribly abused. You don't love him Youre trauma bonded to him and you'll be surprised how quickly you get over him. All of this will continue to get worse and harder to leave with every extra day you stay. This moment is the least bad this will get from now, the sooner you go the quicker you and your children will recover. And you WILL go. Good luck op, please mark my words

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HesterPrincess · 16/04/2024 22:00

It's not your place to diagnose him. What you're explaining sounds horrific, and chances are that you're so used to it, that you don't realise how bad it really is.

Contact Women's Aid or the Police and get yourself to safety. The only acceptable amount of abuse in any relationship is zero.

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PoisedPearlBee · 16/04/2024 22:02

I agree the term narcissist is overused but I feel it has relevance here. For a few years now I have hoped that with counselling (which he has thus far avoided apart from two sessions) he might change but realising he has narcissitic traits, as per the research….means he isn’t going to change and he will continue to abuse. No matter how much I love him or feel deep down he is a troubled but good person, a true narcissist will always be devoid of real empathy and require constant control to make themselves feel good. If he is a narcissist then it makes it clear things will never get better, and if he isn’t then perhaps there is hope for a better future together.

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BlackStrayCat · 16/04/2024 22:08

Also, reading about cluster B personality disorders will help you deal with it tremendously.

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BlackStrayCat · 16/04/2024 22:09

I wish you the very best of luck.
You will have to be very strong. Never feel sorry for him and get support and accept help.

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PoisedPearlBee · 16/04/2024 22:12

HesterPrincess · 16/04/2024 22:00

It's not your place to diagnose him. What you're explaining sounds horrific, and chances are that you're so used to it, that you don't realise how bad it really is.

Contact Women's Aid or the Police and get yourself to safety. The only acceptable amount of abuse in any relationship is zero.

Yes I agree with you that I have become so used to it I forget how to see it objectively and realise how bad it is. I realise my flaw is Im a fixer and I guess I wanted to help him heal and deal with whatever he has going on so he could become a better person. But I am beginning to see signs that my child is being negatively affected and I have to protect him as a mother regardless of how much I would prefer to stay and ‘work things out’…I don’t know how much worse it would have to get for me to finally leave of my own accord.

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Quitelikeit · 16/04/2024 22:15

This man is not only abusing you but your children too. They grow up around it and they become abusers or attracted to them.

Same pattern as you and your husband have followed.

You need to find a job and somehow get legal advice - what country are you in?

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PoisedPearlBee · 16/04/2024 22:21

Quitelikeit · 16/04/2024 22:15

This man is not only abusing you but your children too. They grow up around it and they become abusers or attracted to them.

Same pattern as you and your husband have followed.

You need to find a job and somehow get legal advice - what country are you in?

I agree. I’m in the UK. I am trying to set up
my own business in the midst of all this to allow for flexible working as I have a young baby and no money to pay for childcare and no family support.

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Frith2013 · 16/04/2024 22:49

It doesn't matter what armchair diagnosis you come up with.

He's still a nasty twat.

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paulhollywoodshairgel · 16/04/2024 22:55

Is the house in your name only? If it is. Sell it and run as far away as you can. This man is hurting you. Don't let him carry on. My heart breaks for you it really does. Good luck ❤️

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Imbusytodaysorry · 16/04/2024 23:04

I’m with other posters .
call women’s aid for support you don’t have to go to the police untill
you are ready (if ever)
Stop telling him you are leaving him jist quietly get everything in place .
save your time and energy for your plans to leave and for you and the kids.
You really do have to start putting the kids before this man. He’s a nasty abuser .

Create and Experian account and you will see exactly what debt you have in your name .

start With a fresh email address he doesn’t know about then make a new bank account
start gaining independence again

please speak to women’s aid and please leave him .
Honestly they never change

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HesterPrincess · 17/04/2024 16:17

I read on here once that no woman is a rehabilitation centre for a man.

Wise words.

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