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Did I over react and ruin the relationship?

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Seapearlstar · 23/01/2023 15:49

We’ve been together for 3 years and he has bailed on me a couple of times due to his own insecurities and issues. It was a struggle for me to trust again, but the last 6 months or so have been amazing and it seemed like we were really understanding each other a lot better. I don’t express it, but I am concerned he will leave again. Because it’s been so close and loving I finally fully relaxed inside. The other night I expressed to him how happy I am and secure I feel with him and he said he’s so glad and just wants to show me so much love, and I said he does and I couldn’t ask for more from how things are going. So we live apart at the moment and the conversation ended with me saying “I love you” and he said “I’m glad”. So I said “I’m glad you love me also”, to which he said “I don’t respond for responses sake”

so I said, ok, well let’s sleep honey, rest well. So then he said, “don’t give to get”. I said, well I never do…I express what I feel, so goodnight. So then he said “you love me and I took it. Go to sleep my eyes are gone now”

I literally couldn’t reply, I felt blindsided. This guy said he wants to marry me, and everything’s been amazing between us. I make tons of effort to show my love various ways and am always there for him, so I’m definitely not a taker.

so I went to sleep. The next morning I’d usually text first but left it. I messaged around midday, and said last night felt funny is everything ok?

so he sent me a message at the same time saying “now you’ve decided to not be in contact with me, obviously you’re upset with what I said. The reason I said what I said is I here it all the time, women on there phones saying I love you, and the reason they do it is so they’re told they’re loved back” and it turns my stomach, so I decided to just say I’m glad for once, and see what your response was, but you’ve taken it how you’ll take it”

I said, “It feels a bit like you’re game playing. When I say I love you it means something to me. I didn’t ask you to respond, saying your glad is a response, but why take it further talking about responding fir responses sake”

I was pissed off in my message as I hate game playing and he’s played games before. So I had an angry tone as it was voice message.

so then he responded saying everything’s so good between us, but it’s this, how “one questionable thing he says” and I’m upset. I said actually you say many things and I’m very relaxed ways many wouldn’t be…but this, it felt a bit of a head mess.

it descended into an argument because he then said “it needed to be said”

I started to feel majorly uneasy and insecure and wondering why “it needed to be said” he told me he can’t be with me now because I got angry with him.

so then I said a few nasty things and we haven’t spoken.

I just don’t know how it all happened like that so quickly and wondering if I was totally unreasonable.

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PousseyNotMoira · 28/01/2023 14:24

How are you doing, OP?

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gemsandmilk · 26/01/2023 12:22

It sounds like he’s punishing you for things he thinks about ‘other women’

I don’t like the sound of him. He isn’t making you happy. He doesn’t care about you properly OP. Sorry.

You sound nice and you could be having a better time than this.

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KettrickenSmiled · 26/01/2023 12:17

Seapearlstar · 25/01/2023 17:48

I agree. This is not how he came across or I would have ran. I’m not up for that. I don’t ask for anything from a man, just wanted respect and love because I felt that for him. I’m not a convenience or servant or doormat or pushover. I thought we were best friends and had so much connection. A lot of what he said he believed about relationships has changed. He never said any of this at the beginning and all I said I wanted, he wanted too. It’s changed beyond recognition.

He was using mirroring to hook you into his love bombing.
he said he wanted what you wanted, until he had you hooked, & didn't need to pretend to respect and love you anymore, because he had you snared in his Idealise / Devalue / Discard cycle of abuse.

narcwise.com/2019/02/06/narcissists-soul-mate-effect/

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Servalan · 25/01/2023 20:01

I really do understand the reluctance to block and move on - because you have an emotional investment in this man, and that can feel really tough to walk away from. However, as others have said, you can't reason with unreasonable. If someone is determined to engage in this much headfuckery, they are not going to see reason because that is not part of the game that they are playing.

Part of the headfuckery is how someone can seem to be your friend and be loving - and possibly juxtapose lovebombing with withdrawing, just to spice it all up a bit for themselves. It's all part of the game - which they can only continue to play as long as you continue to engage with it.

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Seapearlstar · 25/01/2023 19:36

Sorry there was a glitch and it posted 3 times

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ImJustMadAboutSaffron · 25/01/2023 19:35

Seapearlstar · 24/01/2023 07:45

I’m furiously devastated and weak today. Everything was so good, he could have apologised, as I apologised for my harsh words. But clearly he sees me as a lesser being and doesn’t care about messing with my emotions

But it wasn't good really was it, because he played games and presented a facade.

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Seapearlstar · 25/01/2023 19:34

I’ve been a cut up insecure mess and have been emotional and I do regret talking at him too much to be heard, and saying some things that I am not happy with myself about, so you really don’t need to be sorry. I read your message just before I went for a walk and I was tearful because it made me think. I don’t want to be this person, I just wanted to feel safe. I thought I would never be vulnerable with anyone ever again and I really loved and trusted him. Yes it’s never 100% all someone’s fault and how we interact is a product of all that we are. Right now I’m an insecure mess and I don’t want to be this person!

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Seapearlstar · 25/01/2023 19:34

I’ve been a cut up insecure mess and have been emotional and I do regret talking at him too much to be heard, and saying some things that I am not happy with myself about, so you really don’t need to be sorry. I read your message just before I went for a walk and I was tearful because it made me think. I don’t want to be this person, I just wanted to feel safe. I thought I would never be vulnerable with anyone ever again and I really loved and trusted him. Yes it’s never 100% all someone’s fault and how we interact is a product of all that we are. Right now I’m an insecure mess and I don’t want to be this person!

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Seapearlstar · 25/01/2023 19:34

I’ve been a cut up insecure mess and have been emotional and I do regret talking at him too much to be heard, and saying some things that I am not happy with myself about, so you really don’t need to be sorry. I read your message just before I went for a walk and I was tearful because it made me think. I don’t want to be this person, I just wanted to feel safe. I thought I would never be vulnerable with anyone ever again and I really loved and trusted him. Yes it’s never 100% all someone’s fault and how we interact is a product of all that we are. Right now I’m an insecure mess and I don’t want to be this person!

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Christmaspyjamas · 25/01/2023 19:27

Seapearlstar · 25/01/2023 18:34

Yes, just loved him a lot and saw a lot in him, and ignored the bad stuff. clearly as someone said toxic dynamic between us, it’s not 100% one persons fault in a relationship, I just am not the right one for him

Hey...I think it was me that said this. I can see also that I shouldn't have used the word volatile. I'm sorry.

Be kind to yourself right now. He seemed clearly in the wrong with how all this started.

Just because you found it hard to stay calm around HIM doesn't mean there's a problem with YOU.

You're human.

It really isn't ever 100% anyone else's fault....we all have to take some responsibility.

But right now don't beat yourself up because I don't know anyone who would have found that behaviour easy and MANY who would have handled it much worse.

Please don't let my thoughtlessly worded post make you feel bad. I'm sorry.

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OldFan · 25/01/2023 19:00

clearly as someone said toxic dynamic between us, it’s not 100% one persons fault in a relationship, I just am not the right one for him

How he acted was not ok @Seapearlstar . He is the right one for no woman if he acts like that. Stay strong and block him on everything ASAP, and don't get involved with him again.

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SquishyGloopyBum · 25/01/2023 18:47

It sounds like you had a lucky escape.

You need to reframe it - he's not right for you. It's not the other way around.

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Seapearlstar · 25/01/2023 18:34

Yes, just loved him a lot and saw a lot in him, and ignored the bad stuff. clearly as someone said toxic dynamic between us, it’s not 100% one persons fault in a relationship, I just am not the right one for him

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Watchkeys · 25/01/2023 18:24

Because I want to in a relationship

Without any thought for whether it's good for you or not?

Do you not aim to please you to the max?

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Seapearlstar · 25/01/2023 18:16

Because I want to in a relationship, obviously it would be nice to have that back also, and I think with the right person things click, although there will always be some conflict, I suppose it’s how it’s resolved and how the two people view the dynamic. I was looking for a partnership, not this dynamic. If I had known his beliefs with male female dynamic I wouldn’t have been with him as I don’t believe in that dynamic anymore and it doesn’t work. I do think I have reacted to that as it’s played out and tried to ignore it and questioned if I’m just imagining how he views me, but became clearer recently when we had a real talk about dynamics. Then his behaviours became clearer, and seen through that lense, and I think I was hoping for the best but the other day just felt like he was messing with my mind and wondered if I was overreacting to feel so disturbed and get so emotional about it.

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Watchkeys · 25/01/2023 17:59

Is there anybody in the world aiming to please you to the max?

Just wondering why you're doing that for others.

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Seapearlstar · 25/01/2023 17:54

Thank you. It just was so good for months, I thought I wouldn’t be blindsided again. It may have seemed like a small thing compared to other stuff in the past with him, but I found it distasteful and provocative and odd. Unnecessary drama that I could have just ignored and not spoken until he said something about it himself to make it right, and upon reflection I did get emotional and just think we aren’t suited for that reason. I don’t like being played with. In the past I always thought the better I am the more I’ll be loved, I know now that thats bullshit. I still aim to please to the max but not going to at the expense of refusing to see someone doesn’t respect me to begin with.

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Seapearlstar · 25/01/2023 17:48

I agree. This is not how he came across or I would have ran. I’m not up for that. I don’t ask for anything from a man, just wanted respect and love because I felt that for him. I’m not a convenience or servant or doormat or pushover. I thought we were best friends and had so much connection. A lot of what he said he believed about relationships has changed. He never said any of this at the beginning and all I said I wanted, he wanted too. It’s changed beyond recognition.

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Watchkeys · 25/01/2023 17:38

I think it's worth remembering that we can all feel secure when we're in the right relationship, and we can all feel insecure in the wrong one.

Your attachment style isn't something you fix, within yourself. Self respect will affect it, and one of the ways to demonstrate self respect is to not spend your time with people who make you feel insecure. The fact that you feel insecure in a relationship doesn't indicate that you're faulty, it indicates that the attachment between the two of you is faulty. It's a self feeding positivity loop once you realise this. Walking away from insecure-feeling relationships > less insecurity in your life > more self confidence > walking away from insecure-feeling relationships.

You are currently choosing to be around someone who makes you feel crap. Ask yourself why. Even if it was 100% your fault, every time, why would you do that?

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Ameadowwalk · 25/01/2023 17:37

He wants total submission from you - what year is he living in -1823? Come on.
The thing is, what even is total submission? You would end up saying nothing ever and not doing anything of your own volition because you might get it wrong.
Women have fought for decades, centuries even, not to have to put up with this kind of crap.

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Seapearlstar · 25/01/2023 17:32

well I didn’t respond and at this stage just venting here to keep me engaging with it all. But I want to say thanks for all the advice and care and got a long list of things to focus on. I did build emotional security for myself over that decade, and started my own business and got really happy. Yeah I’m not about to go backwards here. I’ve been doing that enough last 3 years

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PousseyNotMoira · 25/01/2023 17:32

KettrickenSmiled · 25/01/2023 17:17

unfortunately I now have an insecure attachment with him where when he is being so loving and genuine I feel so secure, but something happens and I’m scared he is going to leave. It comes out of the blue and I have no control over it

Forget all this secure attachment bullshit.
You feel insecure around him because he is a master of manipulation, a gaslighter & a cruel bully.

You are making the very basic error of handing over all power for you feeling secure to him. When the fact is that you will NEVER feel secure until you have found a way to provide security for yourself, & can depend upon your own emotional resources.

You DO have control over it.
You walk away.
Then you are no longer subject to his verbal abuse & emotional terrorism, & you never have to scare yourself again that your abuser might leave you.

The sooner you block comms with him, the sooner he is out of your head, & you can start to heal - & realise that the best gift he could ever give you would have been leaving you.

As ever, solid AF.

OP, please listen to this. You can double speak yourself into accepting all sorts of nonsense, but please don’t. Please just be done.

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KettrickenSmiled · 25/01/2023 17:17

unfortunately I now have an insecure attachment with him where when he is being so loving and genuine I feel so secure, but something happens and I’m scared he is going to leave. It comes out of the blue and I have no control over it

Forget all this secure attachment bullshit.
You feel insecure around him because he is a master of manipulation, a gaslighter & a cruel bully.

You are making the very basic error of handing over all power for you feeling secure to him. When the fact is that you will NEVER feel secure until you have found a way to provide security for yourself, & can depend upon your own emotional resources.

You DO have control over it.
You walk away.
Then you are no longer subject to his verbal abuse & emotional terrorism, & you never have to scare yourself again that your abuser might leave you.

The sooner you block comms with him, the sooner he is out of your head, & you can start to heal - & realise that the best gift he could ever give you would have been leaving you.

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strawberry2017 · 25/01/2023 17:14

Please just block him on everything. Stop engaging with this man. Nothing good will come from it. The more you reply the more power you give him.

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PousseyNotMoira · 25/01/2023 17:14

Why are you still engaging with him? The overwhelming response here has been to stop. You’re not engaging with that. So I’m not really sure what else to say.

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