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Am I in an emotionally abusive relationship???

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Imaybeinanabusiverelationship · 15/01/2021 18:25

NC for this.
DH keeps control of all finances. Gives me a monthly ‘salary’ which is quite generous for food and daily expenses. Anything outside that I have to ask him for it and he usually says no. But that’s ok cause it’s probably only for crap like clothes that I have enough of. DH earns 6 figures but more in the higher end of 6 figures- for context. I had my own little corporate job earning about £45k so when we had children I gave it up to look after them. So I’ve lost my career and I suppose it hurts a bit that I have to ask him for £££ every time I need/ want anything. DH is a good father to DD and DS. A bit more in love with DD who is 5 then DS 3. DD has realised this and has started manipulating him quite a bit. For e.g. today she didn’t want to do her maths school work so started screaming and crying knowing well that he’d come to her rescue. He comes down and gives me a push on my shoulder and asks me to get out. This is the first time he’s done it but every time this has happened he’s gone straight to her and shouted at me. I’m beginning to feel he’s abusing me. My mother stayed in an abusive relationship or at least it seemed to me it was from where I was standing because like me she had nowhere to go. I don’t know if I am doing the same. I’m willing to accept that I’m overthinking this and it was only a little push. So please talk some sense into me. I’ve been crying the whole day and my head hurts! Also, other then these 2 things he’s a good husband.

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TinaTurnoff · 16/01/2021 18:17

[quote classiestgal]@TinaTurnoff will you get a share of the assets from the divorce? Are you pushing ahead with that?[/quote]
I have applied for divorce but he is playing slow ball. The courts are all backed up so there has been no progress since last May. Very frustrating. I have no idea how the cards will fall. This state of uncertainty he is keeping me in is, of course, another form of financial control.

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LannieDuck · 16/01/2021 14:36

Have you ever had a conversation about money? Say, when you gave up your job?

Does he see his income as 'family' money, or does he see it as 'his' money? If it's family money, then you should get a voice in what gets spent / saved, and you need half the cash, savings and pensions in your name.

If he balks at that, I'd want to know why. You gave up your career for the family unit, so his earnings should now be for the family unit.

If not, then you need to get back to work asap. He can use some of his huge salary to pay a cleaner and a nanny.

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TheSilveryPussycat · 16/01/2021 11:41

he didn’t think he was abusive but if I think so then he’s very sorry.

It is no good telling an abuser that he is abusive. And that is not an apology, is it? If you still want to persist in changing things, focus on specific behaviour.

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 16/01/2021 08:36

Imaybeinanabusiverelationship

Re your comments (that I have separated out for clarity):-
"At the moment he has come in and said I need to ease off on DD and when I questioned it he said he didn’t think he was abusive but if I think so then he’s very sorry".

His apology is meaningless and any change from him is and will be short lived. He is not sorry at all for what he has done. This is who he is and your children are learning a lot of damaging lessons on relationships from you two. When someone shows you who they are it pays to take heed.

What did you learn about relationships when you were growing up?. Did you see such a poor example within your childhood home too?.

"I am going to talk about marriage counselling and then take it from there".

No. If you want to talk see a Solicitor, your time would be better spent doing that. Joint counselling is NEVER recommended where there is abuse of any type within the relationship and there are many types of abuse here he is showing you and in turn your kids. Do you think that he will actually deign to sit in front of some counsellor anyway; he will likely refuse and even if he did attend one session it will be a waste of time. He will try and manipulate the counsellor into taking his side and making it all out to be your fault. Abusive men never apologise nor accept ANY responsibility for their actions.

"I don’t want to give up on the marriage as yet".

Why not?. What are you getting out of it in terms of your own needs being met here?. Is this abusive example of a relationship all you think you deserve?. What about your children in all this, stop putting your marriage and or him ahead of them because they won't thank you for remaining with him. He has given up on you and you should not keep up with any further pretence of it for what are your own reasons. He likes having you around in order for you to do the housework and to abuse you at the same time. He will not want to let go of you, his prisoner and or possession, that easily and will remain just as obstructive and abusive towards you and your kids going forward. This also does not mean you should stay with him.

"But in the meantime I will also start working towards getting a career again".

This will take time particularly during a pandemic and the longer you remain with him, the harder it will feel to you to make a complete break. In the meantime he will merely continue to rule the roost over you all and further scapegoat your DD. Getting back to you he will likely actively sabotage any and all attempts for you to get back into the workplace.

There is no doubt about it; you are in an abusive relationship and he is financially abusing you to boot. Such men are rarely solely financially abusive as well and he is indeed abusive in other ways too.

You have a choice re him; your children do not. I would urge you to contact Womens Aid as they can and will help you if you do want such help.

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blubberball · 16/01/2021 05:20

Even the way he is with the dc is a sign of abuse. To have a golden child, prefer one over the other is not healthy.

He shouts at you, pushes you, makes you cry, undermines you in front of your children and witholds and controls your finances. He is abusive.

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classiestgal · 16/01/2021 04:50

@TinaTurnoff will you get a share of the assets from the divorce? Are you pushing ahead with that?

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youvegottenminuteslynn · 16/01/2021 03:35

Says you "have to" hardly sounds like an equal and mutually respectful relationship does it?

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Eckhart · 15/01/2021 22:27

Think about what shape you want your life to be. Work out what you want, and create some boundaries. Communicate them clearly.

he said he didn’t think he was abusive but if I think so then he’s very sorry

This is a classic trick to sound like an apology, but actually putting the responsibility back on you. He's not sorry for how he treats you, he's sorry for your response to it. Be aware of whether he's making everything out to be your fault. Even things that he chooses to do himself.

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TinaTurnoff · 15/01/2021 22:26

[quote Imaybeinanabusiverelationship]@TinaTurnoff
Please may I ask, what happened in your case? I’m feeling heartbroken today[/quote]
Where to start.

His income was his income. We didn’t run short by any stretch. There was money in my account each week, and I used it to pay for everything from groceries to utility bills to clothes to sports/ballet to gum shields to birthday presents to school contributions to kids slippers to tennis club membership and basically all the ‘costs’ that are both essential to all homes and extras that come with what I suppose you could call a middle class lifestyle. So, not short.

However, my ring-fenced amount meant I had no money to call my own, and in a household of >800k gross income, that inequity worried me. Four children. So we were in a situation where I ran the house comfortably on 4-5% of his gross income, but never saw the rest.

We would have a fairly non-fancy holiday (self catering), and 1-2 breaks away in nice places. He would pay, and these were always something I didn’t have to worry about or pay for.

NB I started a savings fund standing order every month out of my ‘income.’ *

If I requested extra, eg for my once a year weekend away with friends, it was granted. If I bought a pair of jeans for myself on Next online, it was ‘good for you, you deserve a little something.’ Hmm

I was in charge of all household jobs, but in a ‘staff’ way. If something was not quite right in his eyes, it was my fault. The illuminating example was when I got pictures hung and they were at the wrong eye-line for the eight-inches-taller boss of the house.

When we separated (infidelity on his part), I remained in the family home but now have only the savings referred to * above. And I’ve used half of them on a solicitor. Not the intended aim.

I am back at work in approx 40% of my pre-children income with tiny increments each year.

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Imaybeinanabusiverelationship · 15/01/2021 22:22

Thank you all. I have a lot to think about and do. At the moment he has come in and said I need to ease off on DD and when I questioned it he said he didn’t think he was abusive but if I think so then he’s very sorry. I am going to talk about marriage counselling and then take it from there. I don’t want to give up on the marriage as yet. But in the meantime I will also start working towards getting a career again.

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Eckhart · 15/01/2021 22:11

At the moment I don’t even know where to start

You have already started.

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Imaybeinanabusiverelationship · 15/01/2021 22:08
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classiestgal · 15/01/2021 22:07

You are not a money grabber. Stop putting yourself down

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Imaybeinanabusiverelationship · 15/01/2021 22:00

@Dery
Thank you for saying that’s normal. I just never wanted him to think I am a money grabber.

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Imaybeinanabusiverelationship · 15/01/2021 21:57

@Tubbyinthehottub
Now that I have been looking to go back to work I know how difficult it is to obtain a job that pays that kind of money. I worked hard to get there. But I was young then and with no responsibilities so a lot easier. At the moment I don’t even know where to start.

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Tubbyinthehottub · 15/01/2021 21:00

Don't put yourself down. A £45k job isn't easy to achieve and it's not a 'little corporate job'.

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Dery · 15/01/2021 20:59

“It's money he earns for his family. If he wanted to keep all his money for himself but pay someone to clean, cook etc, then he should have stayed single and employed help. OP was also working in a well paid job before she left that to have their children.”

Exactly right.

OP - it’s unclear to me how anyone who has read the whole thread could conclude that your DH isn’t abusive.

And what are clothes you don’t need? You can’t go about naked. Who decides what you do and don’t need? And anyway, why can’t you have something you want as opposed to need? I have plenty of things I don’t technically need but I want them. After all, no-one needs a very smart house or holidays abroad but lots of people want them.

The ‘allowance/salary’ is a complete red herring. It’s not for you. It’s for the family.

I thought from your posts that you may be from outside the UK with very little local support - I’ve rarely heard a poster sound so insecure about their place in the family home and the family.

If he’s going to keep you short in this way, I think you need to go back to work. He can pay for childcare.

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1950s1 · 15/01/2021 20:54

I had overlooked that they were married so I really did think that it was just his money

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Eckhart · 15/01/2021 20:53

@1950s1

I wouldn't want to give my partner access to my money if they proved they were irresponsible with it. I don't think that the OP should have access to his money, not because of their genders, but because of the irresponsibility.

They are married. Do you understand the financial implications of marriage?
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HelloThereMeHearties · 15/01/2021 20:52

@1950s1

I wouldn't want to give my partner access to my money if they proved they were irresponsible with it. I don't think that the OP should have access to his money, not because of their genders, but because of the irresponsibility.

Oh do bore off. OP has been made to think that she is "irresponsible with money", and controlling the money is his way of controlling her.
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1950s1 · 15/01/2021 20:51

I wouldn't want to give my partner access to my money if they proved they were irresponsible with it. I don't think that the OP should have access to his money, not because of their genders, but because of the irresponsibility.

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Miramour · 15/01/2021 20:51

Wow some relationships are so messed up.

Basically you work for your husband and receive a very tiny salary for round the clock duties. You are afraid to broach the subject as you fear losing your children and home.

That is so messed up 😔

Can you email a professional advice /support service?

You are entitled to live without fear, you are entitled to be respected in your family and home.

Tbh I don't think your husband is going to morph into a good partner, I think you are going to have to do the legwork.

Be assured that thousands have gone before you and now enjoy freedom.

Be brave, be cautious with what you share with him, be wise with who you choose to trust.

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HelloThereMeHearties · 15/01/2021 20:51

OP, you sound really ground down - you shouldn't need to go begging for some new clothes, only for your husband to refuse you Sad

Read my earlier post, and start thinking longterm.

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1950s1 · 15/01/2021 20:50

@HappierTimesAhead

OP didn't say it but they implied it by 'often' asking for things they didn't need

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HappierTimesAhead · 15/01/2021 20:48

[quote 1950s1]@EKGEMS How exactly are my posts 'sexist and asinine'?

It isn't responsible to waste money on unncessary items. OP's partner may earn 6 figures but it's his money that he earns and he seems responsible with it and has even given OP a 'generous allowance'. OP clearly knew what they were getting themselves into when they decided to get into a relationship with him. And if the OP's partner went into the relationship believing that the OP agreed to this financial arrangement then it's unfair of the OP to demand money now. The OP doesn't sound like they're being neglected by their partner - financially they're getting their needs met. Why should OP be given control of finances when they have even admitted that they can be irresponsible with it by wanting to waste it on things they don't need. As for the hitting that was out of order and yes abusive.[/quote]
OP did not say she was irresponsible with money. She made a self-deprecating comment about spending money on clothes she probably didn't need. The fact that you refer to it as 'his money' reflects a very sexist and outdated view. They are married and have children. OP gave up her job to raise their children. Her job is of equal importance and value to whatever it is that he does. That are a family unit and they should both have equal access to the money coming in.

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