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Is DP overly controlling/ jealous?

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Mljet · 28/08/2020 14:11

This is my first post on Mumsnet, but I've read a lot of posts along these themes before and found the advice given to others really helpful, so I would be very grateful for any input!

To provide some context, I was a bit of a 'late bloomer' when it came to relationships and started my 1st serious (current) relationship in my mid-20s. Now late 20s and have been together for just over 2 years. As a result, I don't have much personal experience for comparison; just what I see of others' relationships.

The 1 regular theme which seems to repeatedly cause arguments in my relationship is DP's perception of my interactions with other men. From my perspective, I don't believe I am flirty with other men (something I've become very conscious about due to these arguments). All of my closest friends are female; I do have some male friends in my broader friendship circle, who I typically see in group situations (where DP would often also be present).

DP has told me that he doesn't feel comfortable with me having conversations about personal stuff with men (usually in the context of work; he's fine about my old male friends in the extended friendship group). As my immediate team are predominantly female, I wouldn't usually have in-depth personal conversations with men at work anyway, but do sometimes exchange small talk about plans for the weekend etc. In my mind this is entirely innocent and normal workplace behaviour, and not inappropriate. As far as I'm aware, nobody has gained the wrong impression from this.

A related factor is that, if I'm out without him (e.g. with girl friends or family), he expects me to reply to any texts within an hour and gets in a mood if I don't. In my mind this is excessive, and I should be able to go for dinner/ drinks with friends for a couple of hours without having to message him. (I would be more than happy for him to focus on spending time with his friends for a few hours without needing to text me). It ends up distracting from the quality time with friends, as I feel like I'm constantly having to keep an eye on my phone/ the time so that I reply 'in time'. It also feels very rude to text when friends are speaking, particularly in a 1:1 context! (I am admittedly rubbish with texts generally, so please tell me if IABU).

Today we had another argument related to the men issue, as I had a video meeting with a male colleague, who asked if I was still based in the city where our offices are located during lockdown. I replied that I was and asked him if he was still at home during lockdown. He answered and we went on to talk about work stuff. DP is now in a mood because I 'talked about my personal life' with this colleague. When I asked him how he thinks I should have responded, he said I should have just answered but not asked him the same question. In my mind, I was just being polite.

Other instances which have lead to this argument include:

  • A waiter on holiday asked where we were from. He had lived in our city, so asked specifically which area we lived in (we don't live together) and I responded. I was apparently being overly friendly in this exchange.
  • A few friends and I went to another friend's for dinner. Someone she had been seeing was there having a drink when we arrived, and he ended up staying the whole evening (unplanned). DP got very funny about this person being there and asked why we didn't leave early.
  • At a girls' night, a friend's male friend from work was in the area, so stopped by for a quick drink. Again, DP got funny about this.
  • We had an all-Company team building event/ social. DP gave me the silent treatment all day because it would involve me speaking to men.
  • Before COVID, my company was going to have an offsite abroad. DP asked me not to go as it would mean me socialising with men from work. He had attended a very similar work event last year. I told him I would definitely go and thought he was being unreasonable asking me not to; the argument became moot due to COVID.
  • He regularly makes a comment like 'hope it's not with a guy' if he knows I'm going into a meeting.


As with most relationships, he does have many wonderful qualities, and we've built up some lovely memories together. However, I just don't feel like I can deal with this for the long-term, and I feel like this doesn't happen in the healthy relationships I see in friends and family members.

FWIW, I have never come close to cheating on him and he says that he's never been cheated on in the past in other relationships. However, he acknowledges he has low self-esteem which is linked to jealousy issues.

Thank you to anyone who has made it to the end of that and I'd be very grateful to hear your thoughts!
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Aquamarine1029 · 28/08/2020 14:39

Run for your fucking life. He is only going to get worse and worse. Men like this are not capable of positive change. Please end it now.

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QuentinWinters · 28/08/2020 14:41

No-one gets to decide who you talk to and about what. That's entirely your business. He's being very controlling.

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RandomMess · 28/08/2020 14:41

Yep run, who does he think he is trying to dictate who you talk to and how quickly you have to respond to texts???

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 28/08/2020 14:44

He's already had 2 years from you so please do not give him any more and or hope that he will somehow change and become a better man or the "nice man" he was when you were first dating. That "nice man" was an act and one he has indeed not been able to maintain. This is who he is and such men do not change. Infact men like this man hate women, ALL of them.

Ending this relationship will be freeing to you; staying with him will only further drag you down with him into his pit.

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SueEllenMishke · 28/08/2020 14:44

Not healthy or normal.

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Cat14123 · 28/08/2020 14:45

You need to end the relationship, from experience, you can't work this out. That level of control is only going to get you to the point you are isolated from friends and family.

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SmileyClare · 28/08/2020 14:47

Uh oh. Red Flag alert. He's controlling you by emotional manipulation.

He thinks he owns you and has a right to monitor what you do and even say.

You know this isn't right.

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GilbertMarkham · 28/08/2020 14:49

I was in a relationship with a man who had aspects of this behaviour; he never ever changed.

He would lay off a bit when I had serious conversations with him, said we'd have to finish if he didn't stop, and he thought he'd pushed me too far .... I would get one or two "hassle/complaint free" social outings etc, and then it would creep back again. Over and over and .... You get the picture.

When someone is wired like this, they can't change.

They actually think you are the one that's in the wrong.

I know if can be painful ending a relationship but honestly, it's just a waste of your time to give someone like this more of it, because you'll have to end of sooner or later. (Or put up with this and worse for life).

Guys like this relationships just last as long as it takes for the woman to realise fully what he's like and put up with it. And it's not a life you'd wish on anyone if they do.

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BertiesLanding · 28/08/2020 14:53

Yes he is. Don't reason with him, don't try and explain why you think he is, don't be drawn into any conversation about it. Just end the relationship.

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user1469544430 · 28/08/2020 15:11

I had an ex like this: turns out HE cheated on ME several times throughout our relationship (found out after we broke up: well he walked out on me for 'no reason' and it turned out to be an OW - then a lot of things started to make slot into place, and were confirmed by friends and acquaintances). As well as being controlling and abusive, it could be a reflection of his own values / a deflection of guilt.

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Mylittlepony374 · 28/08/2020 15:16

Wow. Leave him now. The text reply within one hour thing is particularly controlling and weird.
Run run run.

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HollowTalk · 28/08/2020 15:18

Why are so many women involved with such nutcases? How do you stay sane, OP?

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user1471464702 · 28/08/2020 15:22

Please do move on - also as one poster said this mistrust probably comes from his unfaithful behaviour which he displaces onto you ie all he accuses you of is actually how he operates and thinks good luck Flowers

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AlternativePerspective · 28/08/2020 15:28

Thinking about it I had a BF at school who was like this. He was a few years older than me, and took issue every time I spoke to any of my male friends. Would pull me to one side to tell me how much I had hurt him, would ring me up crying if he saw me talk to specific male friends, If I’m honest I just used to talk to them anyway because he pissed me off so much, whereas I should have just dumped him.

FWIW it ended violently when I went to talk to a friend, he said he wouldn’t allow it so I pushed past him and he grabbed me and hit me.

I slapped him back more out of reflex than anything, and that was that.

He won’t change OP.

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SpringFan · 28/08/2020 15:30

He is very controlling. Needing to you to respond to his texts when you are out with friends is a red flag- he wants to be the centre of your attention at all times. His response to chit chat with men shows how possessive he is. .
I'm glad you don't live together. Its time to finish with him, block him and if there is any chance he has a copy of your keys, change te locks. He may not take your decision happily.

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SoulofanAggron · 28/08/2020 15:36

YANBU. He shouldn't be trying to control the minutiae of what you're saying. It sounds like you're pretty much doing the equivalent of normal small talk i.e. someone asks how you are and you ask 'and yourself?' back etc.

He also shouldn't be trying to control where you go, and there was nothing wrong with you spending time with your friend and a man your friend was seeing so it was not an occasion where you were going to get off with the guy yourself or something.

He's too controlling- this is not right. IMO maybe you should dump him.

FWIW it ended violently when I went to talk to a friend, he said he wouldn’t allow it so I pushed past him and he grabbed me and hit me.

@AlternativePerspective Shock Shock Shock Sorry to hear you had that experience. Sad I suppose that does show what these men can end up like.

@Mljet Even if you ask and he stops saying these things for a bit, I think you'll still feel uncomfortable and you'll know he still feels the same way due to his expression/mood etc.

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SmileyClare · 28/08/2020 15:44

You should ask your girl friends what they think and give them a couple of the examples of his behaviour. I guarantee you'll get the same responses as here. It's great you have a close circle of friends to support you in getting away from him.

If you're too embarrassed to tell them, then there's your answer. You know it's messed up.

Who the fuck does he think he is to monitor your movements, your conversations with friends and punish you by sulking.

Please listen to the experiences of women on here: Men like this will not change

As he chips away at your confidence and stops you seeing your friends ( because it's eventually easier to pacify his moods by not meeting them right?) The abuse worsens.

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Chocaholic9 · 28/08/2020 15:45

Leave.

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katy1213 · 28/08/2020 15:55

Dump him! Don't bother discussing it - this type never change. You sound perfectly sane and normal and, unfortunately, he will find someone needier and more vulnerable and make her life a misery. Better luck next time in finding an equal partner not a puppetmaster.

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MulticolourMophead · 28/08/2020 15:56

Yep, another one here saying dump and run.

This is in the first 2 years of your relationship, when he should be on his best behaviour. It'll only get worse if you stay with him.

I also wouldn't bother talking to him about it, he'll just twist it and turn it back on you in a "what are you trying to hide" sort of thing.

None of your examples showed any inappropriate behaviour on your part, you've done nothing wrong. It's just normal human interaction.

I've re-read your OP, but I don't see if you actually live with him. I hope not, because it should then be easier to dump and block. Although, for someone showing this level of jealousy and paranoia, you might find he turns into a stalker once dumped.

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Baboutheocelot · 28/08/2020 16:01

This isn’t normal in a relationship. Get out while you can.

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GilbertMarkham · 28/08/2020 16:05

Why are so many women involved with such nutcases?

Because there are so many of them?

Because they hide it quite well at first?

Because they ramp up gradually?

Because when someone gets upset and angry in a relationship, it's natural to question yourself about whether they have any justification at all?

Because they gas light and manipulate you
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Because you're emotionally attached and invested and it takes a build up or a huge thing to end the relationship. It might not when you're older and have experienced it before but when you're young, you are more vulnerable to people like this.

Etc. etc. etc.

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GilbertMarkham · 28/08/2020 16:06

That's not far off victim blaming.

Don't judge women who find themselves in relationships like this or be obtuse about how it could have happened; just support and give perspective.

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Opentooffers · 28/08/2020 16:08

So how is it he knows exactly what was said in this video meeting, which was all normal innocent cut btw? Was he standing over you watching?

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Opentooffers · 28/08/2020 16:09

Chat, not cut

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