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Is DP overly controlling/ jealous?

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Mljet · 28/08/2020 14:11

This is my first post on Mumsnet, but I've read a lot of posts along these themes before and found the advice given to others really helpful, so I would be very grateful for any input!

To provide some context, I was a bit of a 'late bloomer' when it came to relationships and started my 1st serious (current) relationship in my mid-20s. Now late 20s and have been together for just over 2 years. As a result, I don't have much personal experience for comparison; just what I see of others' relationships.

The 1 regular theme which seems to repeatedly cause arguments in my relationship is DP's perception of my interactions with other men. From my perspective, I don't believe I am flirty with other men (something I've become very conscious about due to these arguments). All of my closest friends are female; I do have some male friends in my broader friendship circle, who I typically see in group situations (where DP would often also be present).

DP has told me that he doesn't feel comfortable with me having conversations about personal stuff with men (usually in the context of work; he's fine about my old male friends in the extended friendship group). As my immediate team are predominantly female, I wouldn't usually have in-depth personal conversations with men at work anyway, but do sometimes exchange small talk about plans for the weekend etc. In my mind this is entirely innocent and normal workplace behaviour, and not inappropriate. As far as I'm aware, nobody has gained the wrong impression from this.

A related factor is that, if I'm out without him (e.g. with girl friends or family), he expects me to reply to any texts within an hour and gets in a mood if I don't. In my mind this is excessive, and I should be able to go for dinner/ drinks with friends for a couple of hours without having to message him. (I would be more than happy for him to focus on spending time with his friends for a few hours without needing to text me). It ends up distracting from the quality time with friends, as I feel like I'm constantly having to keep an eye on my phone/ the time so that I reply 'in time'. It also feels very rude to text when friends are speaking, particularly in a 1:1 context! (I am admittedly rubbish with texts generally, so please tell me if IABU).

Today we had another argument related to the men issue, as I had a video meeting with a male colleague, who asked if I was still based in the city where our offices are located during lockdown. I replied that I was and asked him if he was still at home during lockdown. He answered and we went on to talk about work stuff. DP is now in a mood because I 'talked about my personal life' with this colleague. When I asked him how he thinks I should have responded, he said I should have just answered but not asked him the same question. In my mind, I was just being polite.

Other instances which have lead to this argument include:

  • A waiter on holiday asked where we were from. He had lived in our city, so asked specifically which area we lived in (we don't live together) and I responded. I was apparently being overly friendly in this exchange.
  • A few friends and I went to another friend's for dinner. Someone she had been seeing was there having a drink when we arrived, and he ended up staying the whole evening (unplanned). DP got very funny about this person being there and asked why we didn't leave early.
  • At a girls' night, a friend's male friend from work was in the area, so stopped by for a quick drink. Again, DP got funny about this.
  • We had an all-Company team building event/ social. DP gave me the silent treatment all day because it would involve me speaking to men.
  • Before COVID, my company was going to have an offsite abroad. DP asked me not to go as it would mean me socialising with men from work. He had attended a very similar work event last year. I told him I would definitely go and thought he was being unreasonable asking me not to; the argument became moot due to COVID.
  • He regularly makes a comment like 'hope it's not with a guy' if he knows I'm going into a meeting.


As with most relationships, he does have many wonderful qualities, and we've built up some lovely memories together. However, I just don't feel like I can deal with this for the long-term, and I feel like this doesn't happen in the healthy relationships I see in friends and family members.

FWIW, I have never come close to cheating on him and he says that he's never been cheated on in the past in other relationships. However, he acknowledges he has low self-esteem which is linked to jealousy issues.

Thank you to anyone who has made it to the end of that and I'd be very grateful to hear your thoughts!
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tenlittlecygnets · 28/08/2020 19:33

He's completely unreasonable. His behaviour will quickly kill any love you have for him.

His behaviour is his problem. He needs to want to change it.

Nothing you are doing is unreasonable. You can't avoid men for ever!

I'd dump him.

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polkadotpjs · 28/08/2020 19:15

Your instincts are correct. It's not ok for him to be like this.

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rvby · 28/08/2020 18:36

@Mljet you have described my exh attitude towards me in our early relationship. Sadly I was nearly 10 years younger than you are now, and didn't understand at the time how dangerous the situation was.

Over the years he eroded every bond I had with the outside world, he destroyed countless friendships, cut me off from family, limited my social life with each passing year. Eventually I found myself friendless, without access to a car, in a remote area. The crunch came when he started to physically abuse the DC in front of me to punish me for what he imagined to be my unfaithfulness. Please just get out. Don't stay to see how bad this gets.

Please remember that the breakup is only as hard as you make it. My advice, tell e.v.e.r.y.o.n.e. you know what is going on, bring it all into the open, make a plan with multiple folk to keep yourself safe and well-defended from him. If you have support around you, and make a clean break, it will all go much more quickly and easily.

Wishing you strength as you leave this man behind.

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Dery · 28/08/2020 18:08

Great to hear that you're planning to end it, OP. What he's doing is unacceptable. And, as PP have said, he may actually be judging your actions by his own - he may be being unfaithful himself and assuming the same of you. But whether or not that's the case, the level of control you are describing is deeply unhealthy.

As Happy says - you're right to plan on getting RL support for splitting with this guy and staying split. He sounds like the kind of guy who could turn quite nasty. Remember you should call the police if you feel threatened by anything he says or does.

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Aerial2020 · 28/08/2020 18:07

Tell him to fuck the fuck off.
Do it and mean it.
How dare he.
Especially the waiter ffs.
This is a slippery road to control and control.

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SmileyClare · 28/08/2020 18:04

Absolutely tell a friend Op. Your friends will support you through this.

I wish I had your strength at your age.

I stayed in a similar relationship for years. My confidence was gradually chipped away with all the manipulation, gas lighting and second guessing myself. I realised I was changing what I said and who I spoke to just to pacify him and his moods. Like your bf, he was very charismatic in public and charmed everyone. Sad

In fact there were times when my abusive bf would be the perfect man. It's very confusing.
I still feel scarred from it now.

Wishing you well and seek that support in real life! (or on here).

Remember, none of this is your fault, do not blame yourself for not recognising his behaviour earlier. Subtle manipulation and control is surprisingly hard to identify when it's buried in a relationship. Flowers

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IJustWantSomeBees · 28/08/2020 17:42

Yes he is abusive and I’m a glad to hear that you’re going to end it, OP. You deserve so much more than this Flowers

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Happynow001 · 28/08/2020 17:30

^I think you've all validated what I've known deep down for some time.

For those of you who have asked, we don't live together, so thankfully that will make it easier to end it.
^

Thank goodness!! @Mljet. Reading your first post my heart was steadily sinking into my boots so I'm very glad you have made this decision.

I second your decision (not that you need me to!) for you to be open to your lovely friends IRL so you will have support when things get tough with both the splitting up and also the staying split up.

He has already shown you how controlling he is and that would only have become worse the longer you stayed with him, and blended your lives together, finances, home/mortgage, children ...

Stay strong and resolute, OP. 🌹

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MJMG2015 · 28/08/2020 17:18

It won't be easy to end it, because I assume he also has his good points and maybe after being an late bloomer' you don't fancy being single again.

But he's not the one for you and you need to make space for someone who is right for you

Don't think about him being with someone else, just think about being your own person again! Being able to enjoy nights out with your friends and having perfectly ordinary conversations with men.

Do it ASAP & get on with Enjoying your freedom!

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fuandylp · 28/08/2020 17:08

Definitely overly controlling.
You should be able to go out for an evening without having to text at all. Texting to say you're going to be late or giving an estimated time you'll be home is fine and you should do that really if someone is at home and might be worried about you but an expectation to reply within an hour is ridiculous.
The whole thing about the male colleagues is totally unacceptable. He obviously has jealousy issues but you can't be expected to miss work events and training because men are going to be there.

Dump him ASAP and get your life back.

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GilbertMarkham · 28/08/2020 17:04

You sound so level headed op.

In my experience thiss doesn't get any better.

He'll probably accuse you if being involved with someone when you finish with him, don't even bother getting into trying to defend yourself or convince him.

You may have to block his number, emails etc.

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nicky7654 · 28/08/2020 17:02

Run!

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Catrin70 · 28/08/2020 17:01

It's a good job you do'n't live with him but his behaviour still affects your
life. You say no one in RL knows but that might not be the case - maybe they know all is not well but don;t want to say anything. Do you know his parents and how he was brought up as a child, as childhood difficulties follow us into adulthood. however none of that is your fault of course. He will probably deny anything troubling but this won't stop the behavior. sorry to say you have no option but to leave him - agree that will cause problems but you/ve already said you can't stand this and small wonder. You will have to be resolute but it will be worth it in the end.

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GeorgiaGirl52 · 28/08/2020 16:41

@wildcherries

However, I just don't feel like I can deal with this for the long-term, and I feel like this doesn't happen in the healthy relationships

This is the most important bit. You shouldn't have to deal with this. He sounds annoying, jealous and insecure. Don't accept this as your life.

You have answered your own question. Let this be your first relationship, but not your last. You know now what you don't want and you don't want a lifetime of this!
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newnameforthis123 · 28/08/2020 16:36

@Aquamarine1029

I know ending it with him is going to be challenging

It will only be challenging if you allow it to be. Tell him it's over. No discussion needed, you do not need to explain yourself. Don't get dragged into a pointless debate. Just end it and BLOCK HIM. Don't wait another day.

This x 100000000.
Tell him you have made this decision, it's not up for debate and you think it's best to not have contact so you can both move on healthily, so you'll be blocking him.

The relief you'll feel will be immediate and exhilarating.

We've got one life. You've given him two years of yours. Don't give him another day!
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12309845653ghydrvj · 28/08/2020 16:31

OP agave just read your update: well done, you’ve taken the first big step in admitting to yourself that the situation is out of control. Your friends and family—when told the full story—will help you to have the strength to leave and to stay away.

This sort of behaviour only gets worse with time, and is not sometiing that will change. He’ll tell you it will—don’t believe him, don’t waste your time.

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Aquamarine1029 · 28/08/2020 16:30

I know ending it with him is going to be challenging

It will only be challenging if you allow it to be. Tell him it's over. No discussion needed, you do not need to explain yourself. Don't get dragged into a pointless debate. Just end it and BLOCK HIM. Don't wait another day.

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mbosnz · 28/08/2020 16:30

Not living with him will make it a hell of a lot easier.

But I imagine he still won't make it easy for you. You're going to have to be very strong, and very ruthless.

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12309845653ghydrvj · 28/08/2020 16:28

He’s made it a choice between being with him or being able to live a normal life. Run.

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cravingthelook · 28/08/2020 16:20

Massively controlling. You are your own person, do what you want.

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Mljet · 28/08/2020 16:20

Thank you so much to everyone for taking the time to read my original post and reply Flowers. It's much appreciated.

I think you've all validated what I've known deep down for some time.

For those of you who have asked, we don't live together, so thankfully that will make it easier to end it.

I haven't told any of my friends and family IRL about this behaviour, and I think it's because I knew deep down that they would tell me to run for the hills and I always hoped things would miraculously turn around and these things were one-offs which we could work through. However, it's clear that's not the case. As I think is often the case in these situations, he's also very good at turning on the charm with other people, so it will be a bit of a shock to some of them.

You've given me the confidence to speak to my friends about this though. Previously I've thought about ending it with him after one of these arguments and obviously haven't followed through with it for various reasons. However, I know my lovely friends will hold me to account once I'm honest about the reality of the situation!

I totally get why some people have asked how I can have been with him and put up with this for the past couple of years. I think a few years ago, I would have felt exactly the same, looking at the bare facts from the outside. To be honest, I think I've been in denial about how I could end up in such a controlling relationship, as I would generally consider myself as being someone with good self-esteem; decent judgement of character etc. I'm sure I will wonder looking back why I put up with it for so long.

I know ending it with him is going to be challenging, but I'm already looking forward to e.g. being able to spend a girls' night with my lovely friends without constantly worrying about the texting 'deadline'!

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MMmomDD · 28/08/2020 16:17

Life is too short to live like this. There are plenty of men out there without this deep insecurity that your bf has.
How old is he? Is this his first relationship? Why does he think he has the right to treat you like you are a child that can’t be trusted?

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AngusThermopyle · 28/08/2020 16:14

Omg! Op, there ate red flags all over the place here, this is not in any way normal for a relationship.
You're only in your twenties,
RUN FOR THE HILLS..DON'T LOOK BACK. !!

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TheoriginalLEM · 28/08/2020 16:11

This has enough red flags over it to cover wembly stadium.

It will only get worse

Run

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Lockdownseperation · 28/08/2020 16:11

Your title was enough - any amount of control is too much control. He is definitely controlling.

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