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Can't forget how DH acted in the past

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RaisinGhost · 13/08/2020 14:16

Having a bit of an issue in my relationship. When my now DH and I got together, we had sort of a rocky relationship from day one. We had fun but we also had a few falling outs, mainly ending in him storming off and being out of contact for a few days to a week. For some unknown reason I continued the relationship.

The worst of these was when we bickered over some small thing, by this time we lived together, I came home to find he had packed his stuff while I was out and left. He wouldn't answer phone or texts. To my eternal shame, I rang him many times and left messages begging him to come back - I'm cringing writing this. Eventually he did come back but he wasn't sorry, sort of acted like he was doing me a favour.

Anyway a few years later we are married and he's actually changed quite a bit. We rarely argue and he is a good husband.

Thing is, I can't stop being so horribly embarrassed and cringing over the pathetic way I acted. How can I regain my self respect? I feel like he also doesn't really respect me, probably because of this or at least it certainly didn't help. Just seeing him is a constant reminder that I'm not strong, I'm horribly pathetic and a complete and utter loser. On the other hand, apart from that we have a good life together. So how can I accept my past mistakes?

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Geppili · 14/08/2020 14:20

He sounds like a negging, controlling twat who is punching way above his weight with you.

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backseatcookers · 14/08/2020 14:05

I mean it's tough because what is a lovely husband?

Someone who doesn't insist on saying YOU are lucky they're with you and YOU are lucky they 'gave' you children would be a start? He really doesn't sound nice. More importantly, he doesn't sound like he's nice when it matters. And that's all that matters in the end.

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ALLIS0N · 14/08/2020 13:53

So you still can’t say what makes him a lovely Husband ? Just that he’s not as bad as the worst cases you have read on here.

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RaisinGhost · 14/08/2020 13:10

StealthNinjaMum if the time line isn't clear, this happened around 4-5 years ago, when I was 29 and he was 40. I don't want to keep going on about our ages as that's not important, I just mentioned it to show that we weren't silly teenagers when this happened.

Nothing you say about how he treats you NOW says “ lovely husband “ to me.

I mean it's tough because what is a lovely husband? No one is perfect. The things I read on here do make me glad to be married to him. Although I realise that's not the best scale to work off!

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StealthNinjaMum · 14/08/2020 09:11

sorry for some reason I only saw 4 pages and you answer some of these points in page 5.

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StealthNinjaMum · 14/08/2020 09:08

Struggling with the timeline a bit op but are you saying that he was about 40 when he ghosted you?! Shock

I'm struggling to get past someone who isn't a teenager doing that. (In fact if I had a teenage child behave like that I'd be mortified). And you were / are working in the same place so he knew you'd have to face all your colleagues after he'd done that? And he's never properly apologised?

Op, we all behave badly, but when we do we need to pick ourselves up and apologise to those we love and do what we can to make them understand we know we fucked up. Then if necessary we work on ourselves.

Op, I never say ltb, but for your own self esteem I really think you need to go. Stop upsetting yourself by thinking about how you behaved at a traumatic time in your life. Start thinking about the man who caused it, it doesn't sound like he has changed or gone through any self development.

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ALLIS0N · 14/08/2020 08:42

Not really very nice to you

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ALLIS0N · 14/08/2020 08:42

Nothing you say about how he treats you NOW says “ lovely husband “ to me.

The only good thing you say about him as a husband is that he shares the chores, which says “ reasonable flatmate / lodger “ to me.

I wonder if it’s buyers regret as a Pp said. And you are focussing all your discomfort on how you acted years ago rather that how he treats you now.

You are quite rightly aware that you cannot change him. Because it’s not about his behaviour is it - it’s about his character and how how looks down on you and still does.

So it’s easier to get therapy for your feelings about what you did in the past and not face up to the fact that he’s not reply very nice to you.

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HollowTalk · 14/08/2020 08:30

@RaisinGhost

he is lucky you asked him to come back IMO.

Exactly, but he doesn't see it that way. I don't know why he thinks this. I'm younger than him, I'm the higher earner and brought all the assets the relationship, I have friends (he has none), I'm more highly educated. These things don't matter to me at all but objectively I am a person of at least average success. What about me screams "loser! She'll put up with anything" to him. But obviously something tipped him off and he was right.

He knows all this and he is firmly putting you in your place, isn't he?
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ChristmasFluff · 14/08/2020 08:25

OP, something to realise also is that he was always going to come back. The begging and pleading only meant he could come back using 'you need me' as his excuse, but he was always going to come back - when you had fallen 'back in line' with doing what he wanted. Fawning over him and being grateful he was there, like the previous partner of his that you mention

The leaving was a power-play; it was a gamble he took when he knew you were in love, and his understanding of womankind was such that he was pretty sure it would pull you back into line one way or another.

So how you acted made no difference. It may make you feel worse, but it should make you feel better because he isn't with you because you begged - he's with you because 'he chose to be - and he was always going to choose to be.

No-one else probably remembers the pleading and begging - they just remember a dodgy bloke leaving his girlfriend and then them getting back together. It has meaning to you because of what you think it says about you. Actually it says nothing except how addictive the love chemicals our brains produce are. He suddenly withdrew his love and so you were like a heroin addict without a fix.

It probably won't be that way now, now the body chemistry is so different. Now you know what he is truly like.

I also believe he is punching above his weight, and that's why he negs you. You are all the things he wants to be (so much more overtly 'successful' than him!), and he hates it. As you continue to see him more clearly, you'll probably see other ways he subtly undermines you. He always has been doing.

I second everyone else - you are worth so much more than him.

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billy1966 · 13/08/2020 23:26

@rvby

Yeah, he's keeping you on the back foot.

My ex was a lot like this. Funny, when I finally broke and told him I was leaving him because I couldn't bear to spend my life with someone who thought I was less than them, he instantly knew he had overplayed his hand.

Men who do things like this, and then talk this way about those things years later, have created a dynamic that they're invested in keeping in place, because it works for them. It gets them what they want.

As above..

OP,
I think he quickly realised he over played his hand and has back stepped quickly.

It's really great that you are seeing him clearly.

He sounds like a youthful mistake...lots make them....

He really does sound like a twat though.....so much older than you ...without an ounce of self awareness...however,..he does have a survival instinct🙄....he back tracked quick enough when he saw his last dig at you wasn't going to be taken lying down.

Again, you sound like you are worth 10 of him.
As @Fizzy suggests...take a year for counselling on your OWN....and decide do you REALLY want to be with him
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backseatcookers · 13/08/2020 23:22

@RaisinGhost

I think counselling would be really beneficial especially EDMR. It took that sting that pangs for me out of a really intrusive thought about something an ex did that may seem insignificant to others but was almost constantly in my thoughts even after our break up

Thank you, I am going to look in to this. It sounds like it could be helpful.

You're so welcome. I found it so so so useful for not just intrusive thoughts about an ex who cheated but also about a sexual assault earlier on. I know nothing works for everyone but as someone who used to consider most styles of counselling like that absolute bullshit, I was wrong and it worked for me. It's so so worth a go x
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RaisinGhost · 13/08/2020 23:11

I think counselling would be really beneficial especially EDMR. It took that sting that pangs for me out of a really intrusive thought about something an ex did that may seem insignificant to others but was almost constantly in my thoughts even after our break up

Thank you, I am going to look in to this. It sounds like it could be helpful.

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RaisinGhost · 13/08/2020 23:07

Does he EVER acknowledge when he's been a tit? If he says something that upsets you nowadays, does he apologise and acknowledge your hurt, or is he still brushing you off as though your feelings don't matter? In other words, has he grown up a bit

Yes, he does acknowledge it and apologise. Apart from the above comment, he is usually able to say that he is wrong if he was, and doesn't try to cover up/lie about it.

He seems to have grown up and changed in this regard. Although he was 40 when this happened so a person really should be already grown up by then. But I suppose we always have more to learn no matter our age.

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backseatcookers · 13/08/2020 23:06

@RaisinGhost

I thought my worst memory was losing a cat BTW. That was the one with the greatest emotional charge that would depress me every time I thought of it. And that incident was about 13 years ago- there were other things happening at the time which made it worse. So, your worst memories could be anything.

This is exactly what I mean. I feel like this memory has this out sized emotional charge that leaves me questioning everything about myself. I just want to just look back it thinking "oh well, not my best moment but we all make mistakes, and I guess it worked out", or ideally not think about it at all.

Do you genuinely believe that or do you know in your gut he was gaslighting and he meant it the way you originally took it?

No he meant it the first way for sure. I think as soon as he said it he realised how stupid it sounded.

So you know he meant it and need to make a decision accordingly. You poor thing I know this is all so shit. Regardless of anything else I think you should leave him but conscious I feel protective when I recognise some of myself and also I have had gin I think counselling would be really beneficial especially EDMR. It took that sting that pangs for me out of a really intrusive thought about something an ex did that may seem insignificant to others but was almost constantly in my thoughts even after our break up, and that's been invaluable to me recovering from so many things.
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RaisinGhost · 13/08/2020 23:01

I thought my worst memory was losing a cat BTW. That was the one with the greatest emotional charge that would depress me every time I thought of it. And that incident was about 13 years ago- there were other things happening at the time which made it worse. So, your worst memories could be anything.

This is exactly what I mean. I feel like this memory has this out sized emotional charge that leaves me questioning everything about myself. I just want to just look back it thinking "oh well, not my best moment but we all make mistakes, and I guess it worked out", or ideally not think about it at all.

Do you genuinely believe that or do you know in your gut he was gaslighting and he meant it the way you originally took it?

No he meant it the first way for sure. I think as soon as he said it he realised how stupid it sounded.

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backseatcookers · 13/08/2020 22:52

@RaisinGhost

We talked a bit more and he said he really is sorry. He also said I misinterpreted the "you would have never had children" comment, he claimed he meant I would have not had our exact child that we have now. He agreed saying the first thing would have been rude, if he had meant that which he claims he didn't Hmm

It might sound from my posts like he's constantly saying things like that but he isn't. Very very rarely but if he ever does it's like a white hot poker stabbing me.

Not sure if I said but it's not like I've brought it up often the whole time. This is the second time since it happened.

Do you genuinely believe that or do you know in your gut he was gaslighting and he meant it the way you originally took it? I don't know you so I can't say either way, but you will know what he meant really.
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backseatcookers · 13/08/2020 22:51

@RaisinGhost

Lots of vitriol aimed at yourself for being 'pathetic', not so much aimed at him for packing his stuff and leaving without so much as a word

The reason for this is that you can't control how other people act, only how you act. So I couldn't have stopped him doing that and it's pointless to speculate why he did it. But you can control your own actions and I acted in a way I find shameful and pathetic. I was afraid of being alone I guess. I'm not now obviously.

Right. Listen up. YOU are a self aware woman and that is a superpower. You accept accountability. You hold yourself to a high standard. As much as I hate to hear you beating yourself up, if you can channel that self awareness and dial down the self loathing then oh my goodness you have a bright future ahead of you - with a fresh start and a clean slate. I promise you! I can't see a way back from this because of his behaviour since then. If someone, anyone, wants to remind you / imply that you should be grateful they are with you, it is NOT a healthy relationship. Don't underestimate the power you hold by recognising your own accountability.

You say you would be relieved if he left and this time you didn't beg. Imagine how EXTRA empowered you would feel if YOU left AND you didn't beg afterwards!

Something to think about Thanks
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RaisinGhost · 13/08/2020 22:50

We talked a bit more and he said he really is sorry. He also said I misinterpreted the "you would have never had children" comment, he claimed he meant I would have not had our exact child that we have now. He agreed saying the first thing would have been rude, if he had meant that which he claims he didn't Hmm

It might sound from my posts like he's constantly saying things like that but he isn't. Very very rarely but if he ever does it's like a white hot poker stabbing me.

Not sure if I said but it's not like I've brought it up often the whole time. This is the second time since it happened.

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RaisinGhost · 13/08/2020 22:41

you fought for something that was valuable to you

Exactly - being in a relationship with a rude mean twat who purposely humilitated me was so valuable to me? What kind of person values that!

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RaisinGhost · 13/08/2020 22:38

Lots of vitriol aimed at yourself for being 'pathetic', not so much aimed at him for packing his stuff and leaving without so much as a word

The reason for this is that you can't control how other people act, only how you act. So I couldn't have stopped him doing that and it's pointless to speculate why he did it. But you can control your own actions and I acted in a way I find shameful and pathetic. I was afraid of being alone I guess. I'm not now obviously.

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IncandescentSilver · 13/08/2020 21:21

I actually admire you OP and think you were remarkably strong. So many people would have crumbled and given up but you fought for something that was valuable to you and you succeeded. If you read too much internet advice, you get the impression that you must always march out of any relationship the moment things go wrong, in search of this perfect relationship that is out there where the man always behaves perfectly. I often suspect that actual professional relationship counsellors would give rather different advice!

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Iggypoppie · 13/08/2020 21:08

*by not but

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Iggypoppie · 13/08/2020 21:08

I second couples counselling, it sounds like communication is lacking and you need to feel more secure but understanding what went wrong in the early days. It's like your relationship needs a 'reset'. Hopefully for the better.

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Kelcat9494 · 13/08/2020 21:08

Things happen and people change. If you didn't do anything about it at the time there's no point dragging it up now especially since then you've had children and gotten married. I'd let it go, put it down to you both being young and stupid and now you're more mature and happily married

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