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okthen · 22/09/2017 14:09

I feel sick posting this.

I have been with my partner for nearly 20 years, since we were teenagers. We have two DC.

Things can be good, they can be great. He has many good qualities which have allowed us to make a home and a life together which works well in many ways. He is supportive. We share the same values. We enjoy many of the same things. We both have freedom to pursue our own interests and dreams. He is, or can be, a great father. He is affectionate and we have a good sex life. He most definitely does his fair share in the house (more on that later).

However, his selfishness (as I see it) is driving me away from him. This takes the form of:

  • Being totally single-minded about what he wants to do. Eg a building project in the house/re-doing the garden. He will often prioritise these projects over spending the time with the family at the weekend, which upsets me, but in his mind he 'needs' to do them. He seems anxious if he is not 'getting on with' something (this comes directly from his crappy dad). It's true that we can't afford to pay people to do these house/garden jobs, but in my view we could scale back the projects. However my view doesn't seem to hold much sway. The kids enjoy pottering around him while he does these jobs. He teaches them to do things like sawing wood, and he cooks with them a lot. But I want him to down tools and do something with them, which is about THEM.
  • He can be a very connected, engaged partner and dad. We spend some lovely times as a family. But when he feels irritated or grumpy, he just indulges it. Being snappy and impatient with the kids, letting his annoyance show at their annoying kid habits (e.g. whistling incessantly, dangling off their chair at the dinner table- I find these things annoying too but as a parent you have to reign in it sometimes and choose your battles!). Having an air of tension about him that makes it unpleasant to be around him. He goes through long spells of not being grumpy, and then periods of being grumpy. In the not-grumpy times I love being with him; the other times, frankly I want to leave. To be clear, he has never been verbally abusive. It's plain and simple grumpy arseness. He is aware of this and does try, but he needs to try harder.
  • We live, basically, the way he wants to live (I hate typing that). He's into local shops, growing-your-own, not wasting anything, making jam, cooking everything from scratch and all that stuff. As am I, to a certain extent. I am more easygoing, and many of the things he likes, I like too, so we've just fallen into living what is essentially 'his' lifestyle. Left to my own devices (which sometimes feels entirely tempting), I would do an online shop, I would have a tumble dryer, I would buy a bloody £10 M&S meal on a Friday night.

It's so hard to explain. It's not that he would dictate that we COULDN'T do those things, but it would genuinely unsettle him. It would make him very tense for things not to be the way he likes them, and I don't want to live in a tense environment. So I've never asserted myself and said 'actually why don't we do things this way?'. It isn't that he has told me we can't, it's that I go with the flow- with everything apart from stuff to do with the kids.

In short, I don't think he's quite 'normal', whatever that is, and if I'm honest, I feel envious of women whose partners are 'lazy' and just loll about at the weekends and don't do the shopping, or get involved in the house and kitchen etc. My partner is the opposite and it's exhausting.

I don't know if I can see myself staying forever . But I feel absolutely devastated at the idea of breaking up our family. In particular, I can't bear the thought of him being a grumpy sod with the kids without me there to smooth things over, remind him to back off etc. But I am tired, so tired of playing that role. I feel I've lost myself, and while we can live a happy family life which ticks along, it seems to come at the expense of my needs, and myself, too often.

I don't know what advice I am looking for here. I've just kept it absolutely inside and not spoken to anyone for so long. Any thoughts or shared experiences would be appreciated.
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Cambionome · 22/09/2017 20:04

God - he sounds very like my stbxh, op. When I first met him I used to stand my ground and argue my point, but when we had dc I just didn't have the energy anymore and didn't want to be constantly disagreeing in front of them.

I've only recently realised how much I gave in to him in order to avoid the grumpiness and stress; I felt that I was disappearing as a person iyswim.

It killed my love for him, tbh, and I've now asked him to move out. Sad

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RunRabbitRunRabbit · 22/09/2017 20:06

I don't think your can properly evaluate the relationship until you start behaving according to your own values.

You can let him be grumpy that you don't act according to his wishes. You know how he feels about you failing to do the "right" thing but you still shop at Tesco sometimes.

He does the same with you. You have strong feelings about how he should spend time with the children. He chooses to do what he wants instead and it doesn't matter that you feel grumpy about him not choosing the "right" thing.

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Dappledsunlight · 22/09/2017 20:39

His behaviour sounds like a sign of distress. Maybe, to look at it generously, he is acting this way out of a sense of duty in terms of being a "good provider" for his family. Perhaps he too yearns to be allowed to let himself off the hook and to be released from his labours.

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junebirthdaygirl · 22/09/2017 21:06

My dh could be like this if l didnt read him the riot act once a year. He gets things fixed eg about shopping and l lput my hands on my hips and say are you seriously telling me what brand l can and cannot buy. Back off right now as l will buy what l like. We actually dont fight over it he just needs waking up as he gets so bloody set in his ways. He also gets on an ethical trip which is to be lauded but l have my own opinions and will buy what l want. Just break that pattern. Laugh at him in a nice way and say who made you God in thhis house.
Also my own df was a hard worker and my siblings and l spent most of our childhood helping him with jobs , running alongside him and helping. It built a huge security into us all around our relationship with him and l see my brothers now doing similiar and they have very close relationships with kids now teens.l believe l had a brilliant dad. But none of them were cranky. So l would be happy to see my dc be busy with building etc. Its okay, l think.

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Autumnskiesarelovely · 22/09/2017 21:14

I don't know OP. Part of it is that until you relax, do more of what you want, you won't know how much nicer it could be?

I get grumpy sometimes, often at my kids irrritating habits, and my Ex did say oh I have to walk on eggshells. I felt bad but I really do think he makes it out to be more than it is. I love being challenged, people are welcome to do things differently. He gets grumpy with us about things too. Being nice all the time can be stifling too.

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Dappledsunlight · 22/09/2017 21:30

I agree with some points made here - someone being "nice" all the time doesn't feel very natural. People are bound to get irritable and grumpy now and again. It's too much perasure to have to be always understanding and pleasant! Also agree that kids helping dad is a solid way of them building a bond.

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okthen · 22/09/2017 22:22

These replies are very illuminating, reasurring and actually quite moving.

It is true that he has no desire to control me/us. he really literally does not see that his choices are subjective. And yes he does see himself as a provider, that he is creating a lovely home for us.

I'm looking differently at the kids helping him out too, having read some of these responses. to be fair to him, he is far more patient at these times than I am when I am cooking with the children, for example. Our 7yo dd loved being trusted to saw some wood last week, with him supervising her.

As for ASD, we joke about it, and he says openly that he fully believes he is 'on the spectrum'.

He still needs to make changes though, and so do I. I think two things are essential: that I actually set the agenda sometimes, instead of accommodating him. And that he reigns in his crankiness. Greater understanding of each other is required by both of us.

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Dappledsunlight · 23/09/2017 07:18

Not to dismiss your worries, but i think it's a good sign that you are thinking about these issues and trying to improve matters. If you were indifferent you'd have a problem on your hands.

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Apileofballyhoo · 23/09/2017 12:43

My DH also does the thing of spending time with DS doing something DH would be doing anyway. Irritates me that he hardly ever spends time doing something DS would like that DH doesn't, like playing a game.

I have read that doing things together like your DH does, cooking, working on projects etc., is a really good way to spend time with kids as when little hands are busy little tongues are loose. The focus isn't on them, and teenagers often find it easier to talk when engaged in an activity. It's also good for their co-ordination and confidence. I have very fond memories of my father showing me how to fix my bike. He told me when he was retired that the happiest time of his life was when we were small and he was fixing our bikes for us...

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Charley50 · 23/09/2017 13:28

Obviously your concerns are valid, and he does seem overly rigid in his thinking but it's fantastic that he involves the kids in his projects. I would keep encouraging that. And getting up to go swimming early; don't see a problem.
Can you suggest once a month you all go somewhere, and all take it in turns to choose where. So he can take you all to an Eco-farm or something, and then accompany you to a theme park or a gin distillery or something!
The grumpy thing would be the biggest issue for me.

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okthen · 23/09/2017 16:50

The grumpy thing is the biggest issue for me. Intensified by the fact that he is not currently spending enough time with the family so it makes me extra mad when he's grumpy in the time he is with us.

He is/we are mid- building project right now. Working to a deadline (complex background too boring to explain) so he really does have to get on with it. But when that is done, things will have to change or I don't know what I'll do.

He's concerned about me today, keeps giving me hugs and asking what is wrong (before heading back out to build...).

However I did say why don't we go out for lunch tomorrow, and his response was yes that would be lovely. Baby steps...

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EmeraldIsle100 · 23/09/2017 23:56

You probably wont change him but you can change yourself. Go to the supermarket and buy packed meat or whatever and when he questions you just say 'cos I wanted to'. You are probably stopping yourself doing things because you think he won't cope but you are limiting your own choices and this is making you unhappy and anxious.

Start to do the things you want to do and say the things you want to say instead of holding everything in. In essence be yourself, it is the only way to live an honest contented life.

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Apileofballyhoo · 24/09/2017 00:03

My DF was quite rigid about both doing things right and doing the right thing... I work myself up trying to be an ethical consumer. But you can't cook from scratch every single day using organic ingredients with zero air miles, it's just not realistic!

Hope you get it worked out, OP. You both sound lovely.

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Justaboy · 24/09/2017 00:13

20 years eh?, some changes for better or worse to be expected. Can you get him in a situation where you can TALK to him?.

And get him to listen?, that may not be that easy I'm a know it all to a large extent and not as good a listener as i perhaps might be or ought be.

But somewhat like your old man can do a lot of useful things for a woman or what she would find of use.

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hellsbellsmelons · 24/09/2017 07:48

Well I hope you do get out for lunch today.
He doesn't sound awful.
I just hope he can make some changes so you can both be happy.

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Whisky2014 · 24/09/2017 08:38

He sounds like my dad..always doing something, can't sit down!
I loved watching dad fix up his classic car in the garage for weeks now end. I watched him build a waterwheel and I helped him lay cement for the drive. We put marbles in and a handprint. So I have nice memories of us when dad was doing the same kind of projects your husband is doing.

Re the shop. If you go to tescos and he gets the huff. "Where did you get this meat?" "Tescos" "why didn't you go to butcher?" "Because I wanted to get it from tesco" "but supermarkets are the devil work, we must support local.." "i am aware of you're feeling re. Supermarkets, however, I chose to go to tesco. If you want only local sourced food feel free to start doing the weekly food shop yourself. I will shop where I like."

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okthen · 24/09/2017 10:24

So I've been speaking up about small things already and doing more of what I want.

He made some comment about the amount of veg I'd cooked at dinner- not meaning to be critical, he just literally thinks something and says it. Instead of seething about it silently I said: 'I'm not cross, but just so you know, it's rude to criticise when I have cooked a meal' and he said sorry.

I also pissed about on my phone for as long as I wanted to after breakfast today. Again not that he'd ever say 'stop lazing around', but unlike usual I didn't feel obliged to spring up and 'get on'. And actually he sat and lazed around too. Maybe he needs some 'permission' to not be on it all the time...

And yes we are going for lunch. The kids are knackered and a bit crazy so it will be interesting. But in his words 'they need some attention', so that's positive.

It's lovely to hear of people's happy memories of being busy with dad. They do love scrambling about on a mud pile while he digs / pushing their little wheelbarrow while he pushes his big one.
Yesterday I went out and he and dd were squashing slugs eggs together (gip). Each to their own but she seemed happy enough!

Re shopping, yes am just going to do what I want. He has to be able to cope with with free range eggs that are bought from one shop rather than another!

Am sure I will seething/upset again before too long, but it has been so helpful to get some outside perspective.

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Whisky2014 · 24/09/2017 10:34

Hope you have a nice lunch. Maybe all these little changes will just slowly come together and you will feel a lot happier.

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okthen · 24/09/2017 20:44

Thankyou- we did have a lovely lunch. As we were walking back he said unprompted that when his current big project is done he wants every weekend to be like this.

... And then promptly promised the kids he would build them a two-storey playhouse next spring 😂

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