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Help! Don't know what to do!

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d264p8 · 19/09/2017 15:40

Hey everyone

Thanks very much for any help in advance. I am confused, fed up and angry and have no where else to turn!

I have been with my wife for 15 years since we were 17. She went on the pill after six months or so (relevant later on) and her libido went down. For then next 14 years we got in the same pattern, I would pester and she would be willing and around we go, sort of happy with everything. We have three gorgeous kids and have generally a good life, particularly recently, and are best friends.

In September of last year she came off the pill (she had only come off it to get pregnant and then back on it in the past).
This is where the problems started.
I didn't notice anything at first but then I noticed the bag she kept lingerie and some sex toys (which I bought for us) started to be moved around. This happened for about a couple of weeks. Given our history of it just being ok and her never masturbating I was instantly suspicious. I brought it up with her and asked what was going on and she said she started to feel a lot different and was doing things by herself. Great I thought maybe we could benefit from this, and we did, our sex life was dramatically improved.

Over New Year we spoke about how we wanted our lives to be better and start to do more adult things now the kids are older. Going out, better sex, meeting new people etc etc, nothing crazy.

She initially started by going out with her friends (which she did) a few times and didn't organise anything for us. At this point things had started to get a little weird and distant. We were meant to be trying and she wasn't. On one night out her friends husband brought her back home. In the night when she was asleep I looked at her phone. She had a WhatsApp message from the guy which was simply '😶'. There was no other previous messages. When I asked her about it in the morning she said that she was drunk and probably apologies for chatting in the car too much.

My wife and this man tended to drop the children off at the same time and when I used to go it used to be very awkward which she put down to her being nervous because of how I am. To make matters more complicated our daughters shared a birthday party and he was very weird with both of us, as he was another time during another school event.

To finish it off, even after me saying I was uncomfortable with the situation, she sent a Happy Birthday message on FB. She claimed she always did it but she didn't, and then liked a post of his knowing it would cause problems. Quite unbelievably, I suggested, as we were meant to be moving forward she put a post on Facebook to celebrate our wedding anniversary. She hid the post from this man and his wife.

There were other strange things to happen during the period also:-

  • She bought more sex toys and hid them in our house. Very 'exotic' things such as a gag, a leather dress and a toy to wear out and about, plus a missive dildo.
  • After I found them she then used to lie about using them when it was obvious she did, nearly every week day.
  • She shaved her pubic hair every day which she never used to do.
  • She had 'burn' marks on her wrist and when I joked about them she went bright red.
  • Changed her passcode on her phone.
  • Was always on her phone at night.
  • Went to sleep in my daughters room one night because my daughter 'wanted her to', then came back after an hour.


All the while she kept saying she wanted us to be good and she never put any effort. She says now that coming off the pill had sent her a bit wacky and gets annoyed when we talk about what happened.

That is the first half of the story. Since then those things have not happened and she has quite clearly changed. She stupidly went back on the pill and then came off it straight away, got pregnant and had an abortion and had has panic attacks and anxiety since.

She had, up until recently, continued to masturbate but I was the only one who used to initiate sex and try to move us forward. She kept saying she wanted us to be better and then never doing anything.

We are now left in a position where she has no libido (by her own admission) and we don't have sex or really do anything. I have now come to the end of my tether when all we do it try again, then argue, try again, then argue. I cause the argument because I tell her she isn't trying and she agrees she hasn't.

I don't know what to do.

Did she have an affair?
Why has she not tried to make us better?
What do I do from here?

Sorry for the long post but this year has been quite eventful. Any advice is greatly appreciated.
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d264p8 · 20/09/2017 17:48

She did mention when we tried to talk that she wanted to try some BDSM.

In recent months it has fallen away to not being interested.

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tccat · 20/09/2017 17:40

Sounds like she had some sort of bdsm affair with the guy, do you think that's a possibility, has she shown any of these tendencies before ? Burns on wrist could be from being tied or cuffed

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d264p8 · 20/09/2017 17:29

Either way not the best scenario!

Thanks for the advice.

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ravenmum · 20/09/2017 17:05

Maybe she is too uncomfortable to admit that she's just not turned on by you any more? "Yes, sure, let's do that never some day"? Doesn't want old familiar boring hubby acting as a damper on her exciting leather-based dreams?

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d264p8 · 20/09/2017 16:24

I have tried to go through the details and encourage that we could maybe do it together. She says yes that would be good and then didn’t.

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randomer · 20/09/2017 16:16

How missive is the dildo

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ravenmum · 20/09/2017 16:11

Get her really drunk maybe?!

Have you gone into the details of what exactly it is that she claimed she did on her own? Put on the outfit, tied herself up? If you just start laughing about how ridiculous it all is, might that disarm her and give her a chance to change her story without having to do a U-turn from a cold start? Or might it help to promise her that you won't tell on the other person if she admits it?

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PJsAndProsecco · 20/09/2017 16:09

Really then, OP, if your gut is telling you something different then you have to trust your instinct and go with the fact she is denying it and lying to you. Do you really want to carry on like this? It will only end up with both of you insecure and even more unhappy. You deserve the respect of being told the truth.

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d264p8 · 20/09/2017 16:02

The problem I have is that I can sit down and talk about it and she just flatly denies it. She sticks to the same story over and over again. Basically saying that the pill made her wacky so she tried things by herself, everything else is coincidence.

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PJsAndProsecco · 20/09/2017 13:39

She definitely had an affair, OP.
To be honest there's wrong on both sides but unless she admits it to you, nothing will change or get better. She has to 1) want to admit it to truly move forward with you and 2) needs to do you the respect as her spouse of telling you the truth.

Without that fundamental respect of actually being honest with you, nothing can improve. Forgiveness and moving on, if that's what you both want, will not be able to happen until she does you the decency of being real with you. I fully believe marriages can be worked on but it has to come from both sides and it has to be from a place of both of you being real and things being stripped right back to the basics, no secrecy between you. With any kind of secrets you won't see any change.

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Wherearemymarbles · 20/09/2017 13:38

I have a friend whose partner denied an affair. She told him that it didn't matter how much he denied it she didnt believe him and never would. They eventually had counselling and he did admit it then.

I would think very few women would randomly start shaving, put on a dress, put on their own gag in order to masturbate - unless maybe she was web camming or something?

Maybe you need to tell her you dont believe her?

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ravenmum · 20/09/2017 13:26

Just looking at it like a logic puzzle and summing up your options ... neither of you wants to separate, you want more sex and she doesn't want it with you (let's assume that's not going to change) ... so to get what you all want you'll have to stay together but arrange to have sex with someone else.

If she won't accept that, you're going to have to give up one of the things you want - by separating or by you not having as much sex as you want. Her having sex without wanting it is obviously not an option.

Like Painting, I can't imagine it working out if she keeps the affair (or whatever it was) a secret, though. I had that for a few months - me knowing it must be an affair and my ex refusing to discuss it and being increasingly surly and rude - and it was nastier than when I finally found evidence.

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PaintingByNumbers · 20/09/2017 11:11

Yeah, I had the same. For years. Its shit and i'm sorry :(

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d264p8 · 20/09/2017 11:10

Ok thank you for the advice. I have said to her before it is better to admit it so we can work through it. She still flatly denies it.

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PaintingByNumbers · 20/09/2017 10:51

I think this is something a lot of people who cheat dont understand. Just because there is no proof doesnt mean it isnt unspoken between you, and just that secret twists your relationship

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PaintingByNumbers · 20/09/2017 10:50

Yes, for me it did. I cant say that is a typical response. I can forgive an affair (well, kind of, see my response) but it was the lying and deceit between us, and the way the secret lay unspoken, that twisted our relationship. It was a relief to us both to clear the air.

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d264p8 · 20/09/2017 10:06

PaintingByNumbers - so are you saying that when the affair was finally admitted to it made it better?

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PaintingByNumbers · 20/09/2017 09:22

Honestly, this all sounds big time fucked, and keeps going because you both brush things under the carpet. Maybe she feels guilt about the affair, my dh did and it put massive barriers between us even when the affair was over but he only admitted it after I said I was leaving anyway. I couldnt stand the emotional distance. He admitted it, the atmosphere cleared, we stay together for the family and finances, its fine. I realised out of all my choices, I wanted the one that wasnt available - our marriage pre affair. It took me along time to accept that. Currently, I am seeing someone outside my marriage, as I told dh I would do, and am a lot happier. Its not a solution for most, and its not forever, but I prefer it to split childcare and split finances
Solo counselling might help you most

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d264p8 · 20/09/2017 09:16

I suggested she went to counselling to help her with her anxiety and she was happy to go but didn't think it would work.

I am happy to admit that, yes I did cuddle for a reason but there were many times that I wanted to cuddle and it didn't lead anywhere.

During the abortion I/we put aside our problems and focused on getting through that. I don't think she would say I wasn't there for her during that period. I know you are right about it being a big deal, more for her than me.

She said that it was stupid to go back on the pill. I agreed with her but she knew it was a mistake.

With the DD situation - DD was already asleep. She jumped into her bed and then out again within an hour. DD had no idea!

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picklemepopcorn · 20/09/2017 06:50

My husband could perhaps have written this, apart from the sex toys and leather dress affair!.
It's perfectly possible to want and wish to have a more physical relationship, but never feel in the mood.


I can't say anything about the affair. It sounds like she has put it behind her.

The desire for more cuddling suggests she wants emotional closeness with you, but isn't getting it.

You are cuddling her so you'll get more sex- she can tell.

Trying to regain that physical and emotional closeness is a really slow process- she's had a huge roller coaster emotionally, especially with the abortion which to you doesn't sound like a big deal but for her has led to panic attacks and anxiety. You don't sound as though you care very much.

TBH your talk about her 'stupidly' going back on the pill doesn't sound very kind. The staying with your DD seems normal- she stayed till DD's asleep and came back to her own comfy bed.

Be kinder.

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TsunamiOfShit · 20/09/2017 06:35

She would get counselling if I absolutely insisted. She did go but I think she gave up half way through.

Did she go on her own or did you go together?

It does unfortunately sound like she is out of this relationship already. She says she wants you two to stay together? Do you think this could be due to other reasons, i.e. financial?

(But I might be projecting here, I acted like her in my marriage before divorce. And it was all due to feeling trapped with a husband he demanded to much, whilst doing to little.)

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forumdonkey · 20/09/2017 06:26

You don't buy an exotic leather dress for masturbation and if it was hidden it was for you. I'd say it was pretty certain she had an affair.

You do seem happy to accept her explanation of the pill making her weird when everything you have wrote screams affair. Why are you willing to accept such weak excuses?

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d264p8 · 20/09/2017 06:00

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d264p8 · 19/09/2017 21:29

I'm confident if the affair did happen that it is over now.

Thanks for your comments.

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CryptoFascist · 19/09/2017 20:53

I'm sorry for your troubles.
I agree with pp, pretty certain she has had an affair.

Your story reminded me of this article which may be relevant to your situation -

www.scientificamerican.com/article/birth-control-pills-affect-womens-taste/

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