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Do I stay or give up?

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Leavemealonepls · 20/03/2017 05:22

I'm in my late forties, divorced, one dd in her teens.

Ive been seeing someone for two years now. He's significantly younger than me but we get on well.

However when we talk about our future I'm not sure I can envisage spending the rest of my life with him. He wants to know that I will and I've been saying I do because I love him, but the truth is it's not easy.

It's very difficult to explain. He's very quiet, doesn't really show enthusiasm or passion. He doesn't like to go out so we spend all our evenings in watching TV.

I don't mind mostly, I don't really like pubs or clubs. I do like to go shopping or out for a meal and on days out though. I feel sad we can't do that together.

However I also feel there's something missing. I want someone to look after me .. he says he does, but I guess I mean in a different way .. hard to explain really. I miss passion, wild kissing, I miss going on outings or on holiday. I can do this alone or with dd, but then he feels sad that I'm doing things without him.

When he's here I often look forward to time alone, but the few times we've split up (I've finished with him a few times over trival things, although they didn't seem it at the time) I feel lonely and miss him and we make up again.

Sorry, this all sounds clumsy .. it's difficult to explain. I don't know what to do.

I've tried to explain but then he feels very hurt and says he can't change.

He is a really lovely gentle man and I will never find someone so lovely again. He loves me very much. I love him too, but I'm not sure it's enough.

I don't really know what I'm asking for, just advice I guess. I don't want to hurt him and I do love him.

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Leavemealonepls · 24/03/2017 18:15

Thanks, that helps Flowers Just heading out .. will reply later.

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Zaphodsotherhead · 24/03/2017 17:55

You clearly haven't messed up your whole life (unless your entire life revolves around a man), you've produced a strong, healthy daughter who is proud of you.

You've had a wobble. So what, it's allowed! Nobody has to me Ms Strong all the time. Of course you miss him - I gave up drinking because of the awful effects of alcohol on me, but I still miss it, because it was a habit. Of course you love him, he depended on you in such a childlike way, you must feel as though you've cast a child adrift in the world.

If you do decide to meet him, maybe you could start off by drawing your lines - such as 'I just want to lay things on the table so we both have closure', and try to give him full and honest reasons as to why you can't carry on in the relationship. It might, at least, give him a chance to sort his life out. But I bet he won't. He'll make excuses, he'll sigh, he'll make all the same old promises that he's made before - anything to get back to the safe, comfortable life that he's been in. Because why would he want anything different? You've enabled it thus far, why wouldn't you carry on?

There's life on the other side. Honestly. You haven't messed up, you've been nothing but kind. He, on the other hand, has been lazy and complacent. Maybe tell him that...

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Leavemealonepls · 24/03/2017 12:58

I am a mess Sad I've messed up my whole life, I do it all the time. I know the problem, I just don't know how to solve it.

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Conkernudge · 24/03/2017 12:42

You're not a mess, you're just going through a tough time. Carry on for your daughter. Take it day by day at the moment and it will get easier.
But don't take him back again. That's really hurtful, yoyo-ing backwards and forwards. You have made the right decision. Of course it's hard and upsetting at the moment, but it's right. Hold on to that. Take it day by day and don't go back.

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Leavemealonepls · 24/03/2017 12:13

I've messed up and am a total mess. Just don't really want to be anymore. Life has always been crap and isn't improving. I don't know how to carry on.

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Leavemealonepls · 24/03/2017 12:12

I don't know Sad Just feel really sad.

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PreemptiveSalvageEngineer · 24/03/2017 12:05

I don't think you want to hear anything I have to say at the moment.

But consider in your own mind: why? Don't just say "I love him and miss him", you owe yourself some real thought on this. What exactly do you love? The future-faked house built on sand? What do you miss? Never going out?

Unless he's got a solid gold dick that cums tasty chardonney and he turns into a pizza at midnight, I can't see what you can love and miss that outweighs the misery that being with him brings.

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Leavemealonepls · 24/03/2017 11:28

Thanks.

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HmmOkay · 24/03/2017 11:28

Okay. Won't comment again. I do wish you the best though. Flowers

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Leavemealonepls · 24/03/2017 11:26

That doesn't help. Yes I understand what you're saying, but I love him and miss him ..

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HmmOkay · 24/03/2017 11:03

OP, you have become quite isolated during your relationship with him.

That's why you miss him so much, because there is little else in your life apart from him. And if you take him back this time, you'll gradually stop going out at all.

If you start getting out and about then you won't miss him so much. Honestly. Can you do something nice with your daughter this weekend? Cinema or meal out or something?

If you won't change to make yourself happy then you are no better than he is. Stuck in a rut forever. Wasting your life away, waiting for someone to change things when you won't change things yourself.

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Leavemealonepls · 24/03/2017 10:53

Having a massive wobble ... I've messaged him to ask if we can talk ... I don't know what I want because nothing will change, but I just miss him so much Sad

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Leavemealonepls · 23/03/2017 15:35

I did research his illness, told him what to do to feel better, bought supplements ... he did nothing .. read lots but changed nothing.

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Leavemealonepls · 23/03/2017 15:34

Yes he was a bit like that ... always looking self pitying. Even when he felt well he couldn't admit it .. just said, I'm ok, but only if I asked, never volunteered the information to put my mind at rest!

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Zaphodsotherhead · 23/03/2017 12:03

I've got a dog you can borrow, she's a nippy little bugger and he definitely wouldn't feel safe after an assault from her!

I've got a mental image of him as a swooning Victorian lady, holding the back of his hand to his forehead and 'not feeling well'. Honestly, leave, his health, mental or otherwise, is not your responsibility. He's shown no inclination thus far to get himself well, even for you, so he's choosing to feel this way. He could even have asked you to help him make steps towards recovery, but he didn't. He likes life the way it is.

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Leavemealonepls · 23/03/2017 08:12

Thank you - no dog to borrow unfortunately, or shotgun or hairy viking, but will follow advice on the rest, just in case.

Thanks for your support everyone Flowers Last night I slept for 6 hours in one go .. that's a lot for me at the moment. Still tired but it's a start.

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PreemptiveSalvageEngineer · 23/03/2017 05:15

Can you borrow a big woofy dog for a few days? Or a shotgun (he doesn't need to know it's unloaded)? Or a really big hairy viking/medieval knight to guard your portcullis? Make him feel decidedly unsafe if he drops by. Grin

The problem you have is that you've done a lighter version of this before, so it is unlikely he's going to take you seriously now. So, yes, he will probably try. So get your brain ready.

Just relax and breathe. Your mantra is "I owe him nothing". Your other mantra is "don't feed the crazy". It's difficult sometimes not to engage. Some of these gits just know how to push our buttons! Saying stupid off-the-wall things you feel you have to set right is a time-honoured technique. But just remember that you never have to say another word to him because his opinion has no value.

"You've never loved me!!!"

Meh

"You promised!"

Meh

"I've had better shags than you!"

Meh

"The earth is only 10,000 years old and dinosaur 'fossils' were put there by the liberal left!"

Meh

Now, there's a million arguments you could lodge against any one of those nuggets of bullshit, but why waste your precious headspace? Focus instead on one simple fact: you've told him to leave you alone and he is not respecting that.

Keep your phone fully charged and have a hair trigger on the video record key. Have another phone (land line, pref) ready to dial 999 at the first hint that he'll escalate. Any threats said in your presence (or conceivably on his way), ring 999. Any attempt to force entry, ring 999.

Do not let him in. Do not open the door. Do not even engage in yelling through the door/window. Silence from you, apart from maybe one "if you don't leave now I will ring 999". ONE time you say this and then you FOLLOW THROUGH.

All that might not even be necessary. But you should prepare yourself for any kind of scenario, so you can feel stronger in yourself. And if you've told him to leave you alone and he's ignoring that/not respecting you, he gets what he deserves. I know it doesn't seem so, but it really is that simple. That is the core of it.

Good luck!

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Leavemealonepls · 22/03/2017 20:36

I guess .. I think it's different. He feels safe here .. he never feels well so doesn't like going out. I think it's partly in his head .. due to stress. .. but he knew it was ruining the relationship .. but didn't try to change Sad

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Zaphodsotherhead · 22/03/2017 20:32

So, he can muster the energy to come round and try to talk you round, but not to take you out for a meal? Or to the pictures?

Funny, that...

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Leavemealonepls · 22/03/2017 20:25

I know what you mean Preemptive , but I kept reading them. It wasn't doing me any good. I hope it doesn't come to that ... but I'll keep anymore if any get through. I just hope he doesn't knock on my door. . In the past when I've said it's over and not to contact me again, he's come round anyway. One of the things that annoyed me .. it felt like a lack of respect. But he's socially awkward, doesn't know how to behave ... I'm making excuses again Sad

Gallavich you're right... he's doing it to get me to say I still love him .. or to hurt me .. I'm not sure. But I did need someone to tell me it's ok for my feelings to change because I felt I was letting him down, that I owed him. He made me feel that way too ... Sad . Thanks for that Flowers

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Gallavich · 22/03/2017 20:09

It's allowed to feel one way at one time and another way later on. You don't owe him your life because 2 years ago you felt that you would be with him forever. You no longer feel that way and that's fine. Frankly if he can't understand that people's feelings can change then no amount of you persuading him will make a bit of difference. You're wasting your energy.

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PreemptiveSalvageEngineer · 22/03/2017 20:09

Come and talk to us if you have any more wobbles. And, an even simpler hack: never EVER answer a message of his in less than xx hours (most people set a baseline of 12 or 24 hours). By the time that deadline rolls up, you no longer have the urge. It works!

My own inspiration is not to delete his number, but change his name in your Contacts list to "Asshole" or "Twunt" or something that'll make you laugh for a moment and remind you not to take that call.

And I really would have recommended you don't delete his messages. So many of these guys turn into stalky creeps, or worse, and you may need evidence later in life.

But well done you! Flowers

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Leavemealonepls · 22/03/2017 19:41

I know ... I felt responsible though. I did everything I could for him .. for good reasons .. he isn't well, a chronic illness.

I carried on texting I think because I didn't want him to believe I didn't love him. It hurt .. because I did love him. But I realise it makes no difference now. It's just prolonging the agony for both of us.

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Luckybe40 · 22/03/2017 19:24

Well done! You're doing great! You ARE NOT responsible for his happiness.

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Leavemealonepls · 22/03/2017 18:24
Grin
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