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Don't know what to do about ex h

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Tingatingatale · 20/02/2017 10:06

I am at my wits end with my exh. Brief history - Unhappy in marriage for a good few years. ExH spoke to me like crap, made me feel like crap, usually in front of the kids. Completely loveless and sexless relationship. We had separate rooms for last few years. We were together for 20+ years. I grieved for relationship two years ago and tried to leave then but was not brave enough to do it. He would never leave the house and I had nowhere for me and the children to go. Anyway early last year I told him again I was leaving after a disastrous family holiday where i was treated awfully. I fell over and he laughed at me and wouldn't help me up and laughed at me in front of the children. Spoke to me badly where my son actually begged me to do something about it.

He talked me out of leaving again. Told me I wouldn't cope on my own etc. A month later after a crazy move I started talking to someone online. I then made the decision to do it, rented a house with my children and left. This was 11 months ago. I have supported myself and my children and ex h has them 40% of the time. I am still with the man I was talking to online. We took it very slowly and he now has a very good relationship with my children which has started recently. My children come before everything.

Me and exh have an awful relationship nearly a year on and it has taken its toll. He didn't see it coming. I don't think he ever thought I would leave. Time and time again the children come home saying I have upset their dad and my eldest used to say he wished I was dead. They know their dad hates me. They are not allowed to even mention my name in his house and my youngest is only 5. Everytime I get my children happy again after spending time with me then something will happen and they will see their dad and come back with a head full of confusion. They are going away this week with him and my youngest is upset because in his head its his dads fault because if he wasn't mean I would be going. In my eldest eyes it’s my fault for being a quitter and I should be able to take it. What do I do with that? Every bit of happiness I get backfires on me and I feel like I take 2 steps forward and ten steps back as if exH finds out he reacts which effects the children. He still talks to me like crap and makes Demands. He will talk to me like shit in front of the children. I am still scared of him. He will have no contact with me if he can help it and I feel so stressed by it all. The kids aren't allowed to ring me. I am allowed to speak to them twice this week by arrangement but that is unusual.

I have put off divorcing because he will not accept blame and I don't want to cause anymore upset. I don't even claim maintenance.

What do I do please?

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MuseumOfCurry · 21/02/2017 13:15

I met someone when still living with my exh, yes. It was a crap thing to do. We hadn't as much as hugged in over a year, it wasn't a marriage.

I really don't want to bang you over the head for that. I just don't understand why this guy features so prominently in your life at this particular juncture. Your kids are with your ex quite frequently, it seems like you could have a pretty full relationship with him without involving everyone.

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Tingatingatale · 21/02/2017 13:01

I met someone when still living with my exh, yes. It was a crap thing to do. We hadn't as much as hugged in over a year, it wasn't a marriage. My children are not acting like mediators. They and exh have known about my partner for six months. He is not going anywhere. It is what exH wants, but its not going to happen. My children choose to spend time with him. Nothing has been forced on them. I need to tell them to come with me and not stay with him a lot of the time if I am going out.

He hasn't caused all the issues. Both parties are at fault when a marriage fails.

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MuseumOfCurry · 21/02/2017 12:44

This has arisen again because the children have asked him why he is mean to mean and he has blamed me as he always has. He has never seen wrong in what he has done. In his mind I have always caused the issues.

And I gather you think that he has always caused the issues.

When I read your posts, I am struck by the fact that your children are serving as mediator between you and your husband and yet you have not removed the obvious source of your husband's *legitimate" anger. You had an affair and this guy is now spending time with your children.

Can't you see that you're fanning the flames?

I understand that you've had a terrible go at it and it's time for you to consider your own happiness, but I don't think you can claim the high road here. I'm sorry to say this.

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SteppingOnToes · 21/02/2017 12:34

Tingatingatale
The financial side is all legally sorted. You don't know a situation until you are in it


You said are not divorced, it is not legally sorted. If you are living with someone, rather than alone you will be entitled to less from the settlement. Your children won't lose out, but you will

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Tingatingatale · 21/02/2017 10:35

Counselling in school in the early days to help him manage his feelings.

A very stem Letter did go out to exh when I had issues a few months ago that needed police involvement and it stopped for a while and things were better. This has arisen again because the children have asked him why he is mean to mean and he has blamed me as he always has. He has never seen wrong in what he has done. In his mind I have always caused the issues.

As far as OM is concerned I have read through the advice and given it a lot of thought

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Tingatingatale · 21/02/2017 10:32

Thanks for all your replies.

I leave my kids out of it. My children know how I was treated because they saw it. My eldest is 8 by the way. I don't get involved in the he said/she said business. My eldest son has had coins

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MuseumOfCurry · 21/02/2017 09:08

So this man was emotionally abusive, OP left him, he's continuing to be abusive and now involving DC in the whole mess and he deserves sympathy. Right.

Hell no. Where did you get that idea?

Can you remind your eldest that you took years of abuse and you couldn't take it any more.

God please don't do this. Really. Leave the kids out of it. This is particularly bad advice given that you don't even know how old her oldest is (unless I've missed it?).

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SandyY2K · 20/02/2017 23:59

Actually I have no sympathy for your STBXH. He treated you awfully and he was blindsided, because you finally got the strength to leave him. Tough s**t.

Can you remind your eldest that you took years of abuse and you couldn't take it any more.

He needs to to see it for what it was and stop blaming you, as well as realising that's not how to treat a girl /woman.

I'm sorry, but abusers don't get my sympathy.

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MinnieF1 · 20/02/2017 23:38

Your ex is emotionally abusing your children and you really need to do something about it before it causes them irreversible harm (if it hasn't already). You need to go back to see your solicitor and get some advice about what to do next.

In the meantime, document as much as you can about what the children have said in the past when they've returned from seeing your ex. Make sure you also write down stuff they may say in the future.

Honestly if I were you, I would stop them from going to see him if he fills their heads with shit during the week away. My sister and I were placed in this situation after my parents divorced. What your ex is doing is completely unforgivable and could really damage them long term. He is being incredibly selfish and abusive. Do not let him confuse your poor children. Apply to a contact centre if needs be. Show him you are serious and will not tolerate this shit for the sake of your children. Good luck Flowers

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Hermonie2016 · 20/02/2017 23:19

You have asked what to do and the advice has been to take the heat out of the situation so your children do not suffer more.That means slowing it all down.

It's not capitulating to the ex it's just working with a timeline that is less likely to cause hurt.
Children are completely conflicted when a marriage ends and want mum & dad to be happy.They go along with what would make the parent happy.

You are rushing this and it would be best to sort divorce and finances.If your partner is a good man he will wait.
If he is applying pressure even subtly then you know he doesn't have your interests at heart.

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user1486956786 · 20/02/2017 22:42

I was your children. My dad did his very best to turn me against my mum and her new partner and it worked. Only as an adult do I understand what was going on and how unfair it was on my mum. It made for a horrible childhood because what my dad didn't get was that I still had to see my mum whereas he didn't. I still loved my mum of course but I don't think we are as close as we could have been.

I don't really have any advice for you as the ex sounds so unreasonable he wouldn't be able to see through his kids perspective

You do deserve to be happy, you've done so well to leave and get this far.

Could you have little chats with each children on a regular basis to just sort of explain to them about forming their own opinion, if they are happy being with you what does that mean etc? So never directly bringing up the ex and his comments but letting them explore their minds more? My partners ex is a nightmare and his 5 year old has done so well, on his own accord he says that his mummy lies, he's managed to see through it on his own.

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troodiedoo · 20/02/2017 22:25

Your ex sounds horrific and I hope the situation gets better for you. Well done for getting away from him. From the sounds of it supervised contact is the best way forward.

I would echo what others have said though, ease it off a tad with your new partner. Focus 100% on getting divorce and custody access etc sorted and managing by yourself. Of course your kids will say they are happy because they know it's what you want to hear and they want you to be happy. That's not to say they are unhappy per se. But you have everything to gain and nothing to lose from giving them your full attention and showing them you are not reliant on a man to save you.

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VelvetSpoon · 20/02/2017 22:09

You do realise that you can't possibly know someone after a year? All relationships are generally pretty happy at first when it's easy - but comments upthread suggest you've already split up once, and you don't even have the stresses of living together and co parenting yet.

I think after a long unhappy relationship you're in love with the idea of love and the happy ever after. You think this guy who you can't know that well yet, is your future. Tbh, in your shoes I'd be concentrating on sorting out the divorce, finances etc and THEN working towards a plan of living together in a year or two. Not rushing into it because it's part of a romantic fantasy which you can also dress up as being practical for financial reasons!

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KitterKatter · 20/02/2017 21:56

Sympathy for the ex, are you posters actually serious?!

So this man was emotionally abusive, OP left him, he's continuing to be abusive and now involving DC in the whole mess and he deserves sympathy. Right.

He sounds like an asshole and I'm glad you've found someone who makes you happy OP Flowers.

You really need to speak to your solicitor again with a view to possibly having your children for more of the time. His behaviour is damaging them. Perhaps try meditation as you cannot proceed to court without this unless there's been domestic violence. Has there? You could also try contacting Parentline. Would recommend having minimal contact with the man as other posters have suggested.

Good luck OP.

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terrylene · 20/02/2017 15:22

Your DC moved house less than a year ago into a new situation. I would hold off moving them into a new home and a new situation and let them acclimatise for a good while longer.

They may be happy and even excited about it now, but when things turn out differently to how they expected and they have to start dealing with the other children in their space more often, then the rantings of their father, not matter how irrational, will start to appear have some basis to them and they will start to believe him and side with him more. And that will make you life much more difficult.

Give them that extra bit of space, time and patience and attention from you as their mother, and concentrate on getting the divorce out of the way first.

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Gazelda · 20/02/2017 15:03

You say you grieved for the relationship 2 years ago. But you haven't given your DC the luxury of having that time to adjust to a situation they have no control over. You know your Ex is a dick who will take any opportunity to make you out as the 'bad guy'. The speed at which you are moving your life on (and your DC's lives) is giving him ammunition.
Put the move on hold, let things settle for the DC and formalise the divorce from their father. Put their emotional wellbeing first, even if your ex won't.

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MuseumOfCurry · 20/02/2017 14:50

What's not a good reason?

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I need a bigger house, he needs to move. Its a natural progression which we both want.

In the aftermath of a divorce, your kids will go along with anything that appears to make you happy without any introspection (they're too little, really - 5?). So really, take whatever they say about the boyfriend and forget about it.

My parents had a truly hideous divorce and they were consumed by their own unhappiness and they both moved on very quickly, always with the pretext of involving me. To be honest I was grossed out and became an adult way too early and to this day I really want nothing to do with either of them because I know their priorities.

While this might seem like the opposite of what you're doing inside your own head, remember that they'll see it through their own completely self-absorbed child-lens.

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user1468312467 · 20/02/2017 14:23

I'm truly sorry if I have seemed combatative, and you're right I have read your previous threads... I've been on here for a while despite my generic name, and I know that you have been given the same advice to sort through the fallout from your divorce when you started this relationship, when your partner split up with you due to drama with exh and when your kids reacted badly to introduction of new partner. None of those times have you taken the advice that you asked for, and when the invevitable problems arise... lo and behold, another thread where you will get the same advice and not take it this time, thank you.

I know your ex should be swallowing his anger for the sake of the children, I know you were in a loveless marriage and I know the whole situation is shit beyond recognition. But you need to stop digging here.

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Tingatingatale · 20/02/2017 14:19

I had my practical head on then. I love him with all my heart and he does me. He's my best friend and can tell him anything. He treats me with total respect and will do anything for me. He's kind, generous and we will have a very happy life together. My children like him and he is lovely with them and a good friend to them

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ravenmum · 20/02/2017 14:16

Things can be very nasty after the break - my ex was very aggressive the first time I mentioned a lawyer despite the fact he was the cheat who broke us up. They know the stories about the nasty ex-wife who bleeds men dry, and now you are the "baddy" they are bitter and ready for you to act like that stereotype even if you've been absolutely fair and decent, or even given them far more than they deserve.

It seems there is not much you can do other than continue to act according to the rules - sorting out maintenance like everyone else does is something they might bluster about but anyone they complain to can see that it is just normal - and wait for time to calm them down a bit.

For me personally, that wouldn't include rushing to move the kids in with the OM asap, as I would expect that to anger the ex even further, whereas my aim is to make our interactions as uneventful as possible. Personally I'm waiting until the divorce and house sale are through before making any moves that will stir things up further. I do understand that you shouldn't be acting out of fear of his anger, but this rush seems maybe more based on your own strong feelings rather than a rational decision?

If the kids are positive, that might partly be because they want you to be happy; I didn't tell my mother what I really thought about moving in with her bf at age 8. Remember the moment well, when she asked what I thought and I decided it was best to lie. And even if they get on great wth him, is it really a good idea to bring them in with him when, after such a short time, you can't even be sure if the relationship will last? I'd be worried about them having to go through a second breakup in a short time...

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Tingatingatale · 20/02/2017 14:16

What's not a good reason?

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MuseumOfCurry · 20/02/2017 14:15

OP that's not a good reason and you must surely know it.

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paap1975 · 20/02/2017 14:14

Stand firm, get your divorce sorted. If he is intimidating you, keep track of things and make sure this is taken into account. Keep contact to minimum. Stay strong!

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Tingatingatale · 20/02/2017 14:09

I need a bigger house, he needs to move. Its a natural progression which we both want. I have talked it through a lot with friends and family. It has not been a rash decision. No more children are planned, we have more than enough between us. I really do appreciate all the advice and I understand where you are all coming from but this time I won't be taking it, thank you though.

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InTheMoodForLove · 20/02/2017 14:01

btw yes it does sound awful and you have endured a lot and have the right to be happy but I think you need to sort out the mess first (divorce, contact with xp etc) as PP suggested. You got good advice

Your new man should support you at this stage, not aggravate the situation (unintentionally)

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