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DH is stressed and I'm exhausted

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saturdaygrey · 05/11/2016 08:35

I've name changed for this as its sensitive and DH has been known to hunt out posts I've made on here.

He's suspended from work: the likely outcome is dismissal and possibly not being able to work in this field again.

So, he's at home all the time.

He's depressed. Stays up until two/three in the morning, watching films and TV box sets loudly. Wants sex, a lot (apparently it's a comfort) but he comes crashing into bed at 3 am and I don't feel like it then. Drinking too much, doing stupid stuff like going outside for a smoke and then leaving the door open and then a child wakes up at 4 am cold and crying.

I'm working after a fashion (supply teaching) so you can imagine what mornings are like after these unsettled nights. I don't really like leaving the children with him and twice our school aged child has missed school because of DH not getting everybody out on time.

I'm so sympathetic but I feel like shaking him as well! What can I do!

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My2centsworth · 08/11/2016 11:26

Saturday what a rough time you are having. It sounds awful.

My guess is that your DH cannot deal with the limbo he is in at the moment and that is worse that any fate that possibly awaits him. To this end he needs to take back some control. In essence he needs a plan or plans depending on possible outcomes. It would be in his interest to speak to a professional coach about the possibilities going forward and for his own sake it would be better if he were doing this with someone he does not feel he will be coming in contact with when this is over or alternatively a great friend invested in him succeeding.

It is of course possible that your do is having a short term blip with alcohol but the main thing is nothing negative takes hold.

Best of luck. I wish you well.

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MADEinLONDON · 08/11/2016 11:09

Hi OP. You say you wouldn't describe your H as an alcoholic but do acknowledge he drinks too much during stressful periods. So I'm going to use your terminology if you don't mind and do something a little different; both myself and my exP were the children of fathers who drank too much during stressful periods and I'm going to give you a little glimpse into what our lives were like growing up. Since you are adamant that you won't ask him to leave, this is how your children might feel about their childhood when they grow up...

My dad drank too much. Sometimes he was funny, but mostly he was lazy, aggressive and pervy to my mum. He could also be depressed and spent most of our childhood sleeping it off his drunken stupors on the sofa. Our living room was barely used by us as it became his room. He walloped is a few times when drunk. My mum pretended she didn't know. He DID hold down his job, but the rest of the time he was only focused on getting to the pub. We used to hear him talking to himself (threatening to kill people in his one-way convos) - it was terrifying... I remember my mum bundling me and my sister in the car in our PJ's numerous times to go and collect him as he hadn't bothered to come home from the pub.

My mum eventually did leave him when I was 20 and my sister was 17. By that point, I was already living in my own place as a single mother to a 2 year old - yep - a teenage pregnancy. Ran away to the first bloke I could find who, surprise surprise, was also a substance abuser. She left my sister with my dad. My sis used to dread waking up each morning because she thought she'd find him dead on the sofa. It really fucked her up and I used to bring her to stay at mine a lot.

My exDP however (the father to my youngest two DC and who I met after leaving my eldest's dad), has a situation VERY similar to yours.

His dad lost his job (redundancy) when his younger sister was a baby. He was expected to find work within the fortnight (no disciplinary in his case) but then was out of work for the next 6 YEARS. He was depressed of course, but instead of seeking help, he let his wife work two jobs AND do most of the housework and childcare, whilst he just sat and drank into the night. He was "too depressed" to work or adequately care for his kids, but was happy to let his wife shoulder all the burden. He also refused to get help for his depression. My exP didn't have his own bedroom, they were so poor, (his sisters shared upstairs) so slept on the sofa whilst his dad watched TV and drank in the same room. I can't imagine how so many years of sketchy interrupted sleep affected that poor young lad at the time, but he is a very depressed adult nowadays who has a deep resentment towards his parents and yep - drinks too much himself!

His parents are still together and his dad (who did eventually find work), has carried on drinking during stressful periods and has just taken early retirement. He received his pension as a lump sum and is now bored shitless and drinking his way through the money. His mum will probably die destitute because of putting this selfish man's needs above her own, and despite, bless her, thinking she was doing the best she could for her kids at the time, she actually did them no favours at all. Now that they're grown up, it is clear that she is co-dependant and has enabled her H's selfishness and the drinking that comes with it. She'll never leave. The cost of trying to keep her relationship together with a man who refused to seek help has had hugely detrimental effects.

I'm sorry if I sound harsh OP, I don't want to hurt you as you seem like a caring soul who is trying to do her best, but unfortunately I think your DH probably does have a drinking problem and you also sound co-dependent. Your children will probably be able to recount stories like I just have if you let this carry in. They may not forgive either of you. I feel terrible for you because it's not fair what you're going through. But it is untenable and your kids are going to be in real trouble if you also have a breakdown at the same time as him.

If he looked up your posting history prior to all this, then he already has a very pronounced selfish streak with a lack of boundaries. That will be amplified by his drinking and depression and you and your kids will suffer greatly. What you need is a line in the sand - a date in your head where you mentally say to yourself; "right, enough is enough - this isn't getting any better so he's got to go and sort himself out in his own." You can even give him an unltimatum if necessary. I'm sure my exMIL thought it was only going to be 2-3 weeks of drinking strained behaviour from her H when he was out of work. It's now been 25 years. And her life is ruined because she never let him reach rock bottom and just tidyed up his messes.

Even if this time has a good outcome and he sorts himself out, you now know you're dealing with a man who will put himself first and not worry about the effect on the rest of you whenever he's stressed out. It's worth remembering that.

Look after yourself and your kids first OP. It's not selfish - you are no good to them if you chase him down the drain as well. You can still support him (even from afar as I do with my exDP as a friend), but it will not get better unless he wants to help himself. So please make an alternative plan to do this on your own if need be (just in case he doesn't fix up any time soon) and save your kids from feeling like me and my ex do about our parents and childhoods. It's that serious I'm afraid...

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Iamthinking · 08/11/2016 09:43

Were things better in the house last night OP? I hope this has lifted the mood significantly.

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Offred · 07/11/2016 19:31

Has he laid off the booze tonight then given he isn't being sacked?

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Katisha · 07/11/2016 19:18

Here's hoping Saturday. When will you know?

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AnxiousCarer · 07/11/2016 17:43

saturday thats fantastic news! So pleased for you both Grin

offred no there was no insinuation about it GrinGrin personally I think it would be irrisponsible not to have a back up plan. I assumed all parents have back up plans for if one or both parents are seriously ill or injured! We are just lucky enough to have a team who know us well already ideally placed to support us and the forewarning to ensure its a smooth plan and children will have minimal distruption.

saturday don't worry about me I'm made of stern stuff too Smile

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userformallyknownasuser1475360 · 07/11/2016 17:38

Op I would nearly think you were my wife writing about 2/3 months ago of things that were going on in my home life, but clearly you aren't because you and DH are still together. It breaks my heart but dw and I are not.

Agree or disagree with me but I'm going to stick a bit of opinion in here, I willingly admit to being an alcoholic - not something I can change, but I've made a choice not to drink, and get help to stop me drinking.

Your DH whether an alcoholic or not (only he will be able to tell if he is or not not you or anyone else on here) is in a stressful situation, he is drinking to relieve that stress, and I get that. The thing is the alcohol is starting to add to the stress, - if there is no problem with alcohol get him to stop it until this blows over. If he thinks he has a problem then he can seek help about it.....either way with alcohol out of the picture it is one less stressful thing to worry about.

The next is the disciplinary process, is there anything he can do to change it, i.e. Contest the allegation against him. Make amends for having done whatever etc which may make a board change its mind? If so get him to do it....again another thing to make the problem smaller. If he can't change the outcome in anyway how is worrying going to help solve the problem

Walking, crafts, outdoor stuff etc will take his mind off it for a while, (you know things like the DIY stuff you want done- now he has the time to do it - stress removed in two ways - takes his mind off things for a while plus stops wife complaining.

Think of the problem or stress as a jigsaw, that had been completed, every time something is done part of the prob is taken away like a jigsaw piece, if you chip away at it long enough you won't even see the problem anymore.

My situation, I didn't listen to my wife, she eventually left....I want her bacm but the only way I can do it is work in my issues one at a time. My disciplinary hung is ongoing, and I had other problems too...I started ticking them off one at a time, and I'm a lot happier now!

I really hope it all works out and you find some peace.

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saturdaygrey · 07/11/2016 17:32

Well just have to agree to disagree, because it isn't helpful to keep insisting he's an alcoholic when he isn't. I know what an alcoholic is, it isn't DH.

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Offred · 07/11/2016 17:10

Many many people only clock on to their spouse's problem with alcohol when they stop being a functioning drinker and have a bout of being a quite seriously problematic one.

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Offred · 07/11/2016 17:07

People are just trying to help you though.

Your words are 'he has always liked a drink' and to describe some very bad behaviour re his recent drinking.

Of course people are going to say he is an alcoholic. It may be something you are not ready to face up to yet but I'm not sure what else you would call him TBH?

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saturdaygrey · 07/11/2016 16:57

Overall aim - to talk and feel better through sharing.

Objectives - to vent my frustration at the situation, to process what's happening, to be a bit selfish (as at the moment it's all about dh) to cry a bit.

Outcomes - to feel better.

What I didn't want to happen on the thread

Be told my husband is an alcoholic

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Offred · 07/11/2016 16:51

What were you wanting to get out of this thread?

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saturdaygrey · 07/11/2016 16:41

It's only been two weeks Offred, and I was very depressed and suicidal after multiple bereavements just knocked the stuffing out of me. I'm feeling like that reading your posts, to be honest! One minute we are a normal family but then this happens and dh is a dangerous alcoholic and he's just not.

Anyway we've had good news which I can't talk about but it looks possible dh may be issued with a warning not dismissal.

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Offred · 07/11/2016 16:32

I mean really, would you expect a partner to stick with you if you lost your job and possibly career and dealt with that by drinking, neglecting your DC and refusing to get help?

If you wouldn't do it why do you think you should accept it from a partner?

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Offred · 07/11/2016 16:29

If you have been suicidal in the past it is rash to choose a partner or choose to stick with a partner who crumples under pressure and tries to rely entirely on you for sole support.

It is not a good situation for anybody really. No woman has to stick with a man who treats her badly in this day and age.

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Offred · 07/11/2016 16:24

People are taking it from the consequences his drinking are having on you and the dc. Not simply from him drinking. I think you know that.

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Offred · 07/11/2016 16:23

I didn't insinuate ppl with mental health problems shouldn't have children.

I said directly that i think it is selfish and irresponsible to plan children with someone whose MH problems are so severe that they need a 'back up plan' from support services.

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AnxiousCarer · 07/11/2016 16:18

And whilst I'm an anxious carer right now, I'm not most of the time, I'm an equal partner when DH is well, which can last for years at a time.

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AnxiousCarer · 07/11/2016 16:02

And as you say 2 weeks of this is such a short time, he may well work through this low point by himself, though if he will accept help that would be far better. Look after yourself and don't give him more of you than you can, let him know the impact this is having on you, let him know you need support too, whilst reassuring him he is still loved.

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saturdaygrey · 07/11/2016 15:59

It's horrible to say, or insinuate, that those with MH problems shouldn't have children. Anyway, the point is that I feel from this thread people are taking out one thing I've said and bloating it up so it looks like the thread is about something totally different.

"My dh is stressed and is drinking heavily to help him manage the stress. Obviously, this is putting pressure on us as a family."

In the above example people see 'drinking heavily' and turn the entire post into his drinking, ergo he is an alcoholic! He isn't!

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AnxiousCarer · 07/11/2016 15:59

offred Being suicidal in the past doesn't neccesarily make you more vulnerable than anyone else, my past experiences mean that I seek help way before I get to that point these days I know my warning signs well and get help early before I reach crisis. OP may well be similarly able to manage herself. Mental illness is not a sign of weakness or vulnerability any more than any other illness.

Saturday I know exactly what you mean, I would never want to give up the many happy years with DH for the relitively short periods of time where things are tough.

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AnxiousCarer · 07/11/2016 15:46

offred its funny but the MH proffesionals who work with us don't agree with you there believe me its been carefully considered and discussed with them at length. Yes I have been suicidal in the past, long ago before I met DH, have suffered from depression a couple of times, and currently am unwell with PTSD which presents as anxiety, pannic attacks and urges to self harm. I probably understand OPs position better than a lot of posters. I am not encouraging her to be the sole source of support, just offering her support and understanding her current situation.

Anyway this is not about me, my DH or our potential future children.

Saturday from a practical perspective, if your GP signed you off with stress would you be able to access financial support through statuary sick pay or ESA? Could also be a possibility for DH if he will speak to GP, another incentive maybe. I also wonder if he sees you going to GP to get support for yourself if he would be more likely to agree to go himself, as he clearly needs to. It would be worth looking into this for yourself both with DHs current pay and without it. If you could manage with this it would give you the time out you need to focus on your MH and care for the kids whilst DH is unwell. Its a short term solution, but might give you the breathing space you need.

Also feel free to join us on th MH board if you need advice for you or DH or just a chat, we are a friendly bunch.

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Offred · 07/11/2016 15:32

And this has not been going on for just two weeks, don't minimise it. He has a history of hunting down your posts online and 'teasing' you about them. That is very controlling behaviour.

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Offred · 07/11/2016 15:30

And TBF no-one is saying that everything that went before is negated by what is happening now, just that you need to get your head around what is happening now not try and deal with all this within your own family.

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Offred · 07/11/2016 15:27

What is wrong with having MH problems?

Why do you see that as an insult?

You said he helped you through being suicidal. Being suicidal is a MH problem.

What a curious response

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