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Confused. Is he not pulling his weight or am I expecting too much?

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redwinerequired · 03/04/2016 08:05

I am unhappy and I think our relationship is in trouble. He has no idea and thinks things are fine. We've had the same conversations over and over, things change for a bit and then go back.

Good points: thoughtful on big things like birthdays, affectionate, plays with the kids lots, will cook.

Rubbish bits: never sees what needs doing, rarely cleans up after cooking, although says he does but surfaces aren't wiped down. Rarely asks kids to pack away toys, won't do it after they've gone to bed if I'm out at work in the evenings. If he's putting them to bed, they will go about an hour later than if I do it, sometimes 2 hours. He says they aren't tired, but usually he's wound them up and got them very excited and they struggle to calm down. Couldn't get DD, 6 to school on time regularly, they'd be late about once a week or fortnight. He'd blame her for this. She does have some issues and she is difficult in the mornings, but he refuses to get up before 7 which I don't think gives him enough time. When there were road works he blamed them and wouldn't go earlier, just tried different routes which were also blocked. I used to do the run one day a week. I left early because of the traffic, school on time, was told that there is less traffic on that day.

Spends money on rubbish. Has no responsibility for anything financial. I do all bills and sort out his bank account, he pays his share but I organise it. He uses my credit card because he can't be trusted with his own. He maxes them out and only pays minimum off so we decided he wouldn't have one. He buys rubbish for the kids so fills up the house with more plastic crap that they don't need. He also buys a lot of food. He is impulsive with buying stuff, sees it, wants it, will buy it. It's always cheap stuff, but the frequency means it adds up quite a bit.

He doesn't like getting up. Has always worked flexible hours even before kids. At the weekend it will generally be me who gets up with kids. If I insist on him doing it. He will do breakfast, then turn telly on and "chill out on sofa as that's a skill they need to learn", then I get up and get cross that no one is dressed, by then they don't want to, cat's not been fed and breakfast is still on the table. I've pretty much stopped having a lie in as it's harder work. He claims I'm obsessive.

I suppose it doesn't feel like a partnership and i worry that I can't rely on him. For some things I can. But keeping house up together and finances are the biggest ones. These are the main things we argue about. He insists he is doing better than he ever has done and is a lot more grown up now, he is but it doesn't feel enough. Be says he can never do things right or enough for me and I'm always criticising him. He says I need to lighten up more and have more fun with kids and leave stuff, but when I do that, the stuff doesn't get done by anyone.

I can't work out if in expecting too much. I dunt think I am obsessional. I just want him to clean up after himself, be more structured with the kids, DD needs a firm structure in mornings and evenings or else bedtime and mornings are a nightmare and not buy crap.

Sorry it's so long and thanks if you've got this far!

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peppajay · 03/04/2016 09:12

Reading your post is similar to my situation and but in the reverse. My DH is crap with the kids he rarely interacts with them and gives me no time off as he can't look after the kids on his own. However I do no housework he is exceptionally house proud and tries to keep it immaculate and then gets so cross when a child gets toys out. Financially he worries about where every penny goes and is tight as you can be everything is too expensive never buys anything- has never had or refuses to have a credit card. We never get anything new. I get so cross with him as I wish he would be like other men and spend money on treating me or the kids, letting the kids play and just generally being messy but not so bloody sensible all the time. Your DH sounds a bit extreme the other way - but I would love a man that would spend money and play with the kids!! Let's do a swapWink

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BeaufortBelle · 03/04/2016 09:12

Might it be worth having him privately assessed? If a psychiatric specialist recommended drug therapy, the GP would then need to follow the recommendation and prescribe. Probably about £350-£500 but might be money well invested.

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zipzap · 03/04/2016 09:21

Did his mum do everything around the house when he was growing up while his dad didn't really do anything? In which case he may well just feel or assume that all the housework and general grown up stuff is stuff that you should be doing while he gets to laze around doing what he wants... And the fact that he does help out a bit - well inn his mind he probably is thinking (even if hes not realised explicitly that this is what he is doing) that you should be grateful he is helping out with anything as he's doing more than his dad did.

Have you ever asked him what his expectations are or were as to what the jobs were that need to be done in a home to make everyday life function properly and how he thought that they would get done in your household? Needs to be at the start of a conversation before you list out what you see as necessary , just to find out what his baseline expectations are.

You may well find that he has completely different views from you, he may not have factored lots of things in or doesn't have the same understanding of things that you do. But until you understand what is really going on in his head, chances are whatever discussions you do have won't be that effective because you'll be talking at cross purpose.

Have you ever asked him why he thinks it is fair that you do the lions share of the work/ shoulder more responsibility / that he doesn't see you as a partnership team with equal things to do but sees them as your jobs with him helping / that he is creating situations that he knows will have bad knock on effects for your dd and you/rest of family further down the line etc?
Just as an example - my bil used to berate dsis for mot doing enough in the house during the day when she had 3 young dc, despite the fact she would manage to have food on the table for him for lunch and supper, as well as fresh baked cakes etc in the tin (he's a farmer so home for lunch). But - despite it being so easy apparently to look after 3 kids and the household (and she had a long term chronic illness that physically caused her problems in doing things as easily as she would have done previously) he would never look after the kids by himself, let alone do anything else at the same time. Even if she was taking one of the dc to a party he would expect her to take the others with her rather than look after them himself. And he just didn't see that there was anything conflicting in holding both those views at the same time Angry - it worked for him so why not. Finally the dc are a bit older now so he does do more with them but (as an outsider looking in!) it definitely seems to be on his terms.
And it sounds as though you and your dh have got yourself into some similar sort of patterns.

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kittybiscuits · 03/04/2016 09:57

I don't think you have different standards. I think he is a lazy fucker.

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MatildaTheCat · 03/04/2016 10:00

Yes, as soon as you mentioned ADHD I thought, 'ahh, yes.' TBH he doesn't sound lazy as such, he's putting in the hours, just not as you would wish. It sounds annoying but something to be worked at. There must be ways to work with this kind of behaviour to get the best outcomes?

For me the kids getting to school on time would be a huge issue. I presume you are out too soon to do this but can you at least help by having everything ready and making the process as easy as possible? Motivating the DC to get up and out as well by rewards for a week of no lateness may help.

He cooks but makes a mess...minimise by planning easy meals? Cook yourself a few days ( I have a similar problem here) and suggest clearing up together. He's never, ever going to do it your way so compromise.

Finances, hmm, if it works this way why change it? If he resented you taking control and ran up debts you'd have a big problem. Many relationships work fine with one person sorting out whole chunks of responsibility.

In short, try to work together. Sadly you will always be the one who is the more adult, responsible one. Can you put up with that? He will bring a lot of fun that you'd miss otherwise. As the DC grow up some of this will be easier but fundamentally he will be the same.

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redwinerequired · 03/04/2016 10:41

Zip: yes his mum did everything. She did work but did that within school hours. He's a lot more hands on than his dad. Not sure what his expectations are. When I say he's left it for me to do, he denies this, he hasn't left it, he will do it. Problem is he forgets. I have left things for weeks at a time (my standards are not ridiculously high) but he thinks they are. He doesn't see the jobs and when they are pointed out doesn't see them as important. So they can wait, but then he forgets and I get cross.

I do think it will be easier when kids are older.

Matilda, I like the points you make. Yes i can cope with being the responsible one providing he does more. Sometimes he makes things harder as I end up arguing over silly things that he could have just done.

The school thing is a major issue for me. i'm looking at changing my hours so I can do it and he will have to go to work early. I will still have the bedtime problem but at least she'll be in school. So I'll have to prioritise the evening routine with him so she can actually get up.

I need to talk to him, but he is often dismissive of my concerns which makes change difficult if he doesn't see that there is a problem.

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cece · 03/04/2016 13:56

Sounds very much like my situation. Even down to the dc with adhd and toileting issues. Routine is important. I think at the very least he should try to stick to morning and evening routines.

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BeaufortBelle · 03/04/2016 14:34

I think you and he need to agree mtually agreeable coping mechanisms. Can you cut down your expectations but agree that what he does is done well and to a timetable.

Also, is there any slack in the budget to fund a cleaner as another coping strand. Even just for a couple of hours a week so you can prioritise your time on jobs better?

My DH does nothing in the home but was always agreeable to paying someone else to do his share. Worked for us!

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HermioneJeanGranger · 03/04/2016 15:27

I do think it's a bit of both, to be honest.

If he cooks, then yes, he needs to do basics like wiping surfaces, cleaning spills and putting pans in the dishwasher/into soak afterwards. Likewise with the DC, he needs to get them to school on time - that's not optional because he doesn't want to get up!

The money - well, can you afford the tat? I think so long as your bills are paid and some money is going into savings or a rainy day fund, he should have an allowance (as should you) to spend on whatever he wants - if that's plastic crap that makes the DC happy, then why not?

The weekend thing, I really think you need to relax on that one. I don't see anything wrong with him getting up, giving them toast/cereal, putting on the TV and dozing on the sofa. He can clear up afterwards, there's no rush, and I wouldn't want to get dressed first thing on a Saturday unless I had to be somewhere, so why not give your DC a chance to relax as well, without the rushing around that comes with the school day?

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redwinerequired · 03/04/2016 20:09

If DD didn't have her issues I wouldn't mind the weekend so much. But a lot of the advice I've read on adhd mentions the importance of keeping things roughly the same at the weekend. Plus her behaviour is better when we do that.

The money, no we can't afford it. We have a lot of debt, mostly because of his spending habits. We don't put anything into savings, I don't have enough after the bills have been paid. I took over the finances after we got refused a mortgage because of his spending and debt. We've managed to get it down and since I've been managing it, he hasn't gone over his over draft limit which he used to do all the time, then he'd get a loan to pay off the overdraft, but he'd start building up the overdraft again. I think it's been cleared about 3x in our relationship and each time it's built back up and the bank give him a larger o/d. I have at least stopped that cycle.

Part of me working in the evenings is to bring in more cash. Without it we would have really struggled this last year. But it means he has to do more to help than he did before.

I tried the allowance before. He said it wasn't enough (it was more than I spent in a typical month) and he felt like a child, also it was another thing to remember to do.

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BeaufortBelle · 03/04/2016 21:01

Bloody heck, if he's that bad with money I'd draw the line and I've tried to see both sides. .My DH has been allowed to get away with "murder" and I've been on the receiving end of much criticism from friends, family and Mnet. But he brings home the bacon if not the fatted calf.

If you are doing extra jobs to survive and he has sabotaged family security I honestly think you'd be better off on your own.

I am so very sorryFlowers

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junebirthdaygirl · 03/04/2016 21:27

As soon as you mentioned adhd like the others l thought ah ha. I think if he has this he is not been deliberately a pain and it does explain the impulsive buying and the bad time keeping. Does he have any insight himself into his difficulties? I'm sure when your dd grows up you hope someone will be patient with her. Routine would suit your dh too if only he could be persuaded. You sound like a very capable organised person which is a huge plus for your family. Could you get an educational psychologist or specialist to write stuff that would suit your dd and insist it has to be followed like doctors orders.Even make it up after a parent teachers meeting where you put the words in the teachers mouth about being early for school so she has time to settle and not ever be rushed.If he could catch a vision for her it would help all round. A lot of patience is needed.

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BeaufortBelle · 03/04/2016 21:41

Actually, I don't think the underlying disability is an excuse for what is tantamount to financial abuse. I'm pretty sure my DH touches the aspie spectrum in a very high functioning way. HIs job is about communication and nuance but he can be indescribably anti-social beyond work and is a stickler for routine and everything being so (you might love him OP - eek). I am quite sure that he has got where he has because he doesn't quite think like other people but for some reason can articulate in a court. He can't always in a "normal" situation - I'm quite sure every tradesman who comes through the house thinks he's "odd". And he has a funny quirk or three. Somehow we've worked it out. He detests the things other people love: starred restaurants, seeing the world - we go to the same places year in year out - he can sail a boat and has done all his yachtsman's exams, but he will not drive as a matter of routine, he cannot just chat shit or empathise unless he has learnt how to do it.

I sympathise hugely but I get a raft load of good stuff back. I don't think you are.

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redwinerequired · 03/04/2016 22:24

From reading about the adult adhd they often struggle with money and in relationships. He does have some insight, but won't do stuff that's helpful, e.g. have a routine.

He is a lot better than he was but tends to go over board at birthdays and Christmas, which leaves me robbing Peter to pay Paul so to speak. The evening work I would have gone into at some stage in my career, but I would have preferred to wait until the DC were a bit older.

I'm going to ask him to go and speak to GP again and be clearer with him about what is needed around the house and try to revisit finances, again.

We did talk about couples or family therapy, hearing it from someone else may help.

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timeisnotaline · 03/04/2016 23:37

I couldn't handle being the only responsible person in the relationship once there are kids. That's not what getting married means. If you got the flu or worse everything would fall apart. It's not enough to ask him to be responsible for one more specific task - you need to be able to support each other. your children deserve parents and you a partner.

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crazyhead · 04/04/2016 08:34

Such a tough situation to judge for me. Perhaps you are being fussy about some domestic things but overall he does sound a bit lazy and the money stuff isn't acceptable.

I know so many people 'carrying' a partner who is domestically crap/bad with money etc. However, some people I know seem very happy with the worst mess/money offenders while others are really furious/disillusioned by much lower levels.

Was this a problem pre kid at all? There's no doubt that two full timers/dd with additional needs will place a lot of pressure on you. I guess this will likely ease over time.

it sounds as though you have a feeling of having to hold your family life together or it would go to pot. Do you like that role of being the 'sorter?' I ask because the friends I've got who seem OK with a domestically hopeless husband do seem to enjoy that role.

I used to be with a guy a bit like your DH. Kind and clever but so impractical and lazy in the house. I couldn't hack it. My now DH is the exact opposite - a real sorter, hugely competent. He's the one hauling me up to standard in some ways - fiddling with how I cook stuff, raising his eyebrows at me putting the wrong things in the tumble drier. However he works damn hard and I find it comforting. Interestingly, my ex is happily partnered with kids. Still hopeless but his partner doesn't seem to mind.

So I think it's up to you and what you need!

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annandale · 04/04/2016 08:49

I find it infuriating being told to relax more when the house is up the swannee and the kids have got that too much telly wired overexcited but fatigued feel.

Having said that, I am with the only man in the world who finds my housekeeping standards too demanding - I'm an absolute slob but do occasionally wipe things, whereas he is tidy but literally never cleans, the house was thick with dust (on piles of tidy things) when I arrived.

So I do try to count my blessings Grin I think the things to focus on are the finances and the morning routine as these are giving you more trouble than anything else. You've made huge progress and you've done it together. I think also pursuing the ADHD side is probably worth it. I would sit down and talk yet again about these things - let him see your distress about them, dh changed when I did that.

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