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What have i done?! Have I been dating a narcissist?

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slimedagain · 01/08/2014 22:25

Hi i have been reading desperately trying to make sense of it all and just wanted to know if i have been dating a narcissist and how do i deal with myself now? I cant stop crying and need to concentrate on my children.

I got with this guy (N) after I split from my husband primarily because ex h had a porn addiction (and didn't tell me ) whilst pretending he had no sex drive.
I have been friends with N for over a decade, good friends I thought.
Much of our relationship we discussed different women he liked,mutual friends, colleagues etc. He was often confused about which woman he's after had a few relationships while i knew him and a few flings that he told me about.
When talking about previous relationships there were a couple of women who i feel were quite vulnerable, he talked about himself as the victim and those (younger) women hoodwinking him into relationships and 'playing' him.
Years ago i was friendly with one of those women and i clearly remember her saying "i'm free" after splitting up with him.

When my ex husband and i split N declared his feelings for me and as we'd always connected and i was in desperate need of some passion i (stupidly) fell straight into an intense relationship with him.

During our long friendship he was preoccupied with having kids, spending time around other people's kids. He said that when i became a mother i really blossomed and that's when he really started to fall in love with me.

Quite early on in our relationship he talked to me about porn, asking me repeatedly: "what would you do if i was addicted? How do you know im not? " it made me uncomfortable, uneasy and scared especially as he knew what i'd been through with my ex. I told him how i felt and he explained it away saying it was just our usual banter and meant nothing. He seemed surprised i was upset but apologised saying he was addicted to porn but no longer needs it as is no longer single and has me. At this point you'll be wondering what on earth kept me friends with him, he never presents this side of himself to friends that i know of, lots of people think hes amazing and i know a LOT of women who are attracted to him, he's the original charismatic, creative, great listener, really insightful and gives great advice, the ideal male best friend, or so he seemed...

Although i knew years ago he smoked dope (we all did back then) it was only recently he told me he was addicted to cannabis and had only stopped very recently but was still spending lots of time around a good friend who is regularly smoking dope around him. N seemed to enjoy showing how controlled he was around his dopey friend.

The next thing which unsettled me was him getting really angry over a discussion over me confiding in a mutual friend, telling me how dangerous her partner is so therefore i shouldn't trust her. I was defensive about my friend and he started to try and scare me talking about things her partner had done and demanding a response from me. I cried and asked him to stop trying to scare me, when he'd stopped he said he'd only been trying to guide me.

During the brief relationship there were a few angry outbursts when he was feeling criticised, questioned or disagreed with, they were so at odds with the friend he was and the lover he'd become, i used to get upset and then he'd beg me not to leave and told me stories about his childhood abandonment issues. Lots of the stuff he told me about his horrible childhood he said he'd never told anybody else before except for his therapist.

Another weird thing that he did when recounting stories about himself he talked about 'this person' or 'that person' instead of saying their names. I told him it was weird and unsettling and then he stopped doing it.

when i was under immense pressure and had asked for some time out from the 'relationship' to sort out my other personal issues, he planned to take another woman out (one of his large posse of women friends). Previously when we were just friends he'd expressed strong feelings for her to me. I got so upset when he told me that he cancelled the date and said it was just as friends, but he didn't mean to distress me.

One day he came to my door, i was upstairs so slow in answering and when i got there he was outside talking to a woman he'd recently met at a staff training event. He'd previously told me about this woman, ridiculing her as a 'dolly bird' and calling her 'blondie'. She was very attractive in a well groomed slim blonde kind of way. They were chatting quite mundane stuff in front of me, then she left and said goodbye, i walked back into the house and as she left i heard her call to him "i will go for THAT coffee with you". He muttered "no you won't" under his breath and i felt he was genuinely shaken by my overhearing her say that. I asked him if he was planning on going for coffee with her and he replied "no!" Quite vehemently, and said he'd i troduced me to her as "the love of his life" i didn't bother saying anything else i just let it fester while i continued to manage other stressors in my life, but i see this woman about 4 times every day in my local area and am often tempted to ask her about the coffee comment and find out how the discussion had come about although i won't gain anything from knowing, it's just tormenting myself.

When we first got together he kept telling me what an amazing body i have (i haven't!) then after we'd been together a while he was casually mentioning a few times about my 'bulk' and talking about me toning up/would love to see me toned up. Very subtle throw-away comments but enough to make me feel belittled. I remember him in a previous relationship when his partner was trying to get pregnant he was saying things about her figure hoping she won't put on more weight after having kids, at the time i was young free and no kids and thought this was just a normal blokey observation.

He also told me that other people were saying there was a violent end to one of his relationships but he told me a completely different story and because he was my friend i believed the story. Another friend recently reminded me of this incident and i've recently noticed he's always changing his story to suit his mood/the circumstances and getting really angry when challenged.

One of his very old, close friends (one of his harem) recently became pregnant. N said to me she is no longer interesting now she's always talking about expecting a baby.

He kept offering to do various chores to help me out as i was juggling so many things, he got cross and irritated a couple of times then said he was struggling to keep up the being nice and kind, trying to prove he was better than my ex. It was around this time that i started to feel that he was acting out a charade and hiding behind a facade.
The sex also took a darker turn but as i have always been 'adventurous' it didn't really add up until after that he was the one instigating the change of tone because after we'd had more dark sex he said it was worrying him the turn things were taking and he didn't want to lose the tenderness and romance. He said he'd never done some of the things before and was just being led by me but his performance was very authentic and it felt to me like it was very natural to him.

I also found out since we split that he kept dating profile open although he doesnt appear to have logged on for a while.

In between al this madness we did have an amazing time, doing fun stuff, going to beautiful places but i felt increasingly that he was only happy as long as i was adoring and not challenging.

I dont really know why i'm writing here, i just feel really stupid, foolish, angry with myself and depressed that while i thought i was getting some hot sex and passion as well as romance he was most likely just using me and possibly lining up other women behind my back.

It's hard to talk about in real life because friends and family just thought it was rebound and that i was jumping in too soon, nobody seems in the slightest bit interested in my pain now, it really hurts so soon after a divorce and i wish i'd never given him head/heart space.

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GreenPoint · 13/12/2020 14:28

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slimedagain · 06/08/2014 22:38

Ugh its all so predictable, text book stuff and even though i know it is all part of a pattern I'm still giving it headspace and wondering stuff. I know a couple of his exes and am so tempted to ask them stuff but i don't want to stir stuff up for them and at the same time its must giving him more of the glory , tbh i do know all i need to know, i guess i just want it confirmed by someone else, he has so many 'nice' sides that after the madness dies down im always left wondering if i imagined it or exaggerated it in my head.
Freaky stuff orangefusion he sounds like a potential cult leader, rant away, it's all i want to do at the moment! Trouble is because they are mad and irrational no amount of ranting or analysing makes any sense of what has happened, i finally got some time from my sister yesterday and she just said. 'He sounds like a total prick', she even said narcissist without me saying it first, i feel like im such a mug and a muppet where men are concerned, i have never chosen well in all my dating life, and if im totally honest when i had a chance at mr nice guy i was bored instantly and would drop htem in favour of the psycho next door, even though. I hate drama its as though i've chased it.

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orangefusion · 06/08/2014 20:35

Slimed, He is dredging the barrel now for anything that will give him a way back in to twist his knife more and if you let him in, he will continue his hideous behaviour to your cost.

If you spoke to some of his exes I bet you will find he had stock lines which he has used with all of them and you. It's horrid to find that his whole persona is a script.

I discovered that mine had actually stolen his lines from movies and books. He was (all of these at different times):
Vicomte de Valmont (and he had a Glen Close character who formed part of his folie a deux too). His favourite line was "it is out of my control"
Sergeant Troy (Far from the Madding Crowd)- fave line "don't be so desperate".
Marquis de Sade
Withnail- fave line "We've gone on holiday by mistake" said on every trip we made away, anywhere.

He would shout at pregnant women from my car (too pissed and entitled to drive himself), accusing them of being "slags".

He told all his exes that we "should marry"- no actual proposal but he told us all of the quaint country church where he would get down on one knee and propose properly.

He told us all of the dreams he had of impregnating us and that he would keep us "barefoot and pregnant", thank the lord that he is infertile although he nearly killed one ex trying to get her pregnant with fertility drugs. He would tell me of the dreams he had about my friends and how he had got them pregnant and then grin as he told me how I was "upset" in the dream that they were so "fecund" (his word).

Oh dear, I am on a rant now. I had better stop.

Ignore his texts, if you have to deal with him in your working life make it cool, professional and show a complete lack of interest in anything other than the direct work issue.

The bad mouthing is part of the cycle I am afraid, he has to do this and no amount of anything you do will prevent it. Go for the dignified approach and laugh off anything anyone repeats to you or that you hear on the grapevine.

We are but objects to own and discard to the narc. You will learn from this and grow wiser and stronger and you will stand tall and see him repeating his vile patters because he cannot grow stronger, he destined to repeat and repeat like a stuck needle on vinyl.

Keep strong.

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FantasticButtocks · 06/08/2014 18:21

little bits like deoderant and an old t shirt… He can just fuck off with that now Angry

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FantasticButtocks · 06/08/2014 18:20

Hi Slimed have been reading… Sounds like you have had a narrow escape.

When we are very little we learn the best ways to 'be' in order to survive in the particular family we are in. All those ways go onto a little mental map of how to navigate in that family and the map goes into our back pocket…later, as adults, when we are in a troublesome situation, we take that map out of our back pockets and try to use it to navigate through the trouble. Trouble is, that map is now not necessarily the one which will help us anymore… there is a need to learn new ways.

This book could be a real help especially with intrusive thoughts and breathing etc.

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slimedagain · 06/08/2014 17:50

Haha oily rags and broken combs!!! Totally bonkerstastic!

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GarlicAugustus · 06/08/2014 15:26

After I moved out of the flat I shared with a Narc, she was convinced I'd stolen her knickers off the airer Confused and many other things, notably a kitchen knife. She went on about this knife for months - massive ranting phone calls, asking mutual friends to check through my knife drawer (and knicker drawer!), weird messages on my voicemail. To make it even stranger, I didn't remember seeing this knife in either of the flats we'd shared. I just assumed I hadn't bothered noticing but, now I know how disordered some minds can be, wonder if it ever physically existed.

You may have to just stop responding - or even make a legal complaint - if he's not satisfied with the return of his oily rags and broken combs.

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slimedagain · 06/08/2014 12:55

springydaffs thank you for your support. I have started looking at coda. Im filling my time with people at the moment so i cant dwell on things too much, as soon as im alone i start missing him, its weird, it feels like a real strong compulsion to do something which i know is bad for me, to just be with him and not even have sex just to be....
so like an addiction, it's really strange and i have felt it before a long time ago with somebody who was really toxic, it must be the codependency thing, subconsciously, i feel really strange about it.
He has messaged me a list of things i still have, so petty,i never knew i even had them, its unreal, little bits like deoderant and an old t shirt...

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springydaffs · 06/08/2014 10:27

Other people - though not all, to be fair - will have sensed he isn't quite right. You are probably not the only one to realise he's not all he seems. Keep your counsel, a dignified silence. People notice that more than universal blurting how do I know this...

Sorry to mention CODA again but, though it was painful for me and opened up a huge can of worms (notably my family history), it presented some real and solid train tracks for me to run on - took me off in a whole new direction. Look for a CODA support group near you, details on the site - nothing like meeting others with the same, almost invisible, issues.

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slimedagain · 06/08/2014 09:52

I wont be able to avoid seeing him, we work in the same field as well as share lots of friends, all nice people.
I will follow your example and be as detached and almost professional as i can, its very easy to be lulled into thinking hes not so bad.
I have known some very bad people in my life nd no matter whwt i can always find their good side, whats that all about?,

I think theres something i need to work on from my past and in some ways im so glad i saw the reality before we got too deeply involved, we were talking about living together, him bring step father to my kids, babies etc etc so i have had a really enlightening road to damascus experience, i am so thankful to God/the universe/ the psycho for showing me his true colours before any real damage could be done. I need to get my head and body back on track, i will try the breathing as i keep getting shallow breaths.

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springydaffs · 06/08/2014 09:18

With ex (who is now dead - phew) I eventually got to not nice/not nasty, just straight. I had to have dealings with him and perfected being flat, like a block of wood; factual. I couldn't show any emotion one way or the other. He defamed me, some people heard him, they weren't my friends (which included my family - it took this to finally realise they had never been my friends. Which was why I went for someone like this: I was used to it).

Retail therapy sounds good! Flowers

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springydaffs · 06/08/2014 09:08

Oh that sounds awful, slimed. I'm so sorry ((hug))

Agree he did it to get control back. If you're a tight knit group and you won't be able to avoid seeing him then perhaps faking for now could work. (I'm personally not very good at faking, too much of a right/wrong thing going on with me.) I had no choice but to fake with ex (NARC) - we have kids - and I found it very difficult but I had no choice, he was so deadly. But don't get lulled into thinking he's not so bad - he is, don't forget it. He seems the sort to duff you over with kid gloves. He HAS to believe he is in control, right down to it being his choice you split - he will believe it, if not believing it already. That cheap swipe about the woman he 'had a connection with', it was designed to hurt. He's already telling himself he had a choice between you both. He keeps a tally eg all the things that are yours, all that are his....

I'm not sure I'm being much help here. Keep your eye on your breathing - it was shallow breathing that brought on the panic attack; make sure your breathing stays deep and steady, into your stomach when you think of it. You've done the right thing and he has fought like a bobcat - dirty - but let's hope you've seen the worst part of it. At least now there are no stray possessions he could use in the future.

Breath a sign of relief: he's gone. PHEW xx

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slimedagain · 06/08/2014 09:08

selks thanks for your kind words, i veer between feeling empowered and weak, yesterday really knocked me for six and took me to that place of feeling so vulnerable. Fortunately my kids are away for a few days which gives me space to try a d manage my thoughts and feelings. Im signed off sick from work at the mo due to low mood/stress and feel really vulnerable right now.
Im thinking i might go to town and check out the sales, time hangs heavy on my hands!

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slimedagain · 06/08/2014 09:04

fluffy thank you, how did you part and what is your current situ with him?

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Fluffybrain · 06/08/2014 07:50

He didn't lash out because he was hurt. He lashed out because he is abusive and he wanted to hurt you. You tried to be nice by not leaving his stuff in the rain and he took that as a way in to hurt you. This is why people say 'no contact' is the best way. But I totally understand why you would prefer to pretend to part as friends so that he feels like he is in control. I sort of did it that way too as no contact didn't work for me at that time. The thing is even if he tells people your secrets, those with their heads screwed on will be able to see this as wrong. He is using whatever he has on you to try to get control again. He knows he's lost it. Don't let him in again. Your true friends will stand by you. Life is too short to spend it dealing with someone like this.

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Selks · 05/08/2014 23:42

Hi OP, have been reading through this thread, and just wanted to post to wish you well. I haven't any words of wisdom really other than don't blame yourself over any of this.

It's hard being a woman in relationships - we are socially conditioned to put the man first, to not be assertive, and we sometimes want the perfect relationship so much that that stops us from seeing things as they really are.

It is a learning process we all have to do, to learn boundaries and to trust our feelings. So try not to blame yourself that this has happened twice. It doesn't have to happen a third time Smile, not if you take a step back and spend some time focussing on your own needs, your boundaries, listening to your intuition etc.

One thing that can help how you feel right now is to try and do one nice thing for yourself every day, even if it's a little thing like read a chapter of a book or paint your toe nails; this is grounding and helps you appreciate yourself and your own space. Best wishes x

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slimedagain · 05/08/2014 23:15

Thanks orangefusion tech problems abound at the mo!

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slimedagain · 05/08/2014 23:14

Wow i sent a huge long reply but its not here ...
Anyway, springydaffs he knows everything about me and threw it all in my face today in a spectacular attack when i foolishly let him in, i had bagged his stuff up but let him come round to collect it as it was raining hard i didnt want to leave his stuff in the rain so he asked to come in and check it was al there, he had an inventory in his head and sent me scurrying around looking for odd books, dvds etc that i'd completely forgotten about, he also brought my stuff back, i just checked the bags now, every. Single. Thing. I had ever given him or taken to his house , things i'd never have remembered in a million years, amazing attention to detail.
Anyway so all the while he was checking he kept asking to talk, to chat, to 'natter' and i kept refusing and he kept on about our friendship, our connection etc and i kept pottering around, in the end i got so fed up i just said ' im not sure how real our friendship was' and then he released his venom and attacked me with every vulnerability and every sensitive secret thing he'd ever got from me with his skilful questioning and amazing listening skills, i ended up having a full panic attack and then after he left a mutual friend called and said he'd emailed her out of the blue telling her about our row and asking her why she thought i'd denied our connection. She then told me how he'd previously told her how they had a connection and that he'd shared stuff with her that he'd never told anybody else etc, i was so hurt to hear her say it, i knew there'd been some weird flirtation attraction thing between them about a year ago, a couple of things he'd let slip had made me think he was still quite fascinated by her...
So i started to freak out thinking oh god he's started contacting people about me, whats he going to say next, what secrets of mine will he share and as well of being scared of his temper i was scared of him defaming me.
Later he sent a text message apologising and saying he lashed out because he was hurt and he didn't mean the things he said.
I thought damage limitation, i'll just apologise too and hope that will stop him in his tracks, i thought maybe if he thought we have actually parted as friends that he wont continue with the attack and i can let him think he's still got me in his harem so he doesn't have to worry about what i might tell people, much like i imagine simon c*well to be, keep your enemies close...i don't know i am probably being naive and he will see through my apology but i just want to stop all the chaos so by letting him think he's right then i can be safe.

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springydaffs · 05/08/2014 20:39

Oh gosh, he's a psychologist??? Oh dear, oh dear. You know to never, ever discuss any inner workings with him, yes? He'd tie you tight in string like Gulliver. Chilling brrr

Coda really was a lifesaver for me. It catapulted me out without a backward glance. Mind, then I had to deal with my shit, which kept me too busy to miss him (or miss my hopes). And I had a fair amount of shit to deal with, otherwise I would never have gone for someone like that.

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orangefusion · 05/08/2014 09:48

Slimed. I am having problems with my email hence lack of reply. :)

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slimedagain · 05/08/2014 07:43

fluffybrain it's good to find people who understand. It's very hard to get over something which feels so good and so bad at the same time.
I'm starting to understand my codependent role in the whole thing, i've been a people pleaser all my life, an easy target for mean people!

sorry you are still having those feelings, i think it's related to having no real closure with somebody like that. You can never rationalise their behaviour because they will always be dishonest and selfish.

this is a great read for when you're struggling with missing your ex alexandranouri.com/2011/03/13/missing-the-narcissist/

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Fluffybrain · 04/08/2014 22:48

Slimed your posts make me feel less alone in this. I also feel that even though I know all this stuff about him and know he is no good for me, I do still love him and miss him. I ride a roller coaster of emotions anger, shame, grief for him both as a lover and as a friend. He was my best friend. I trusted him completely. Right up until the day he came around to tell me he had been shagging his auntie (not blood related but a woman who has given birth to your cousin is your auntie in my eyes). I left my sexless marriage to be with him. No regrets. I am 3 months down the line from telling him it was over and things are very slowly improving. The picking up stuff at times that suit him is all about control on his part. Let him play his silly end game alone. He doesn't have control over you. You are free!

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slimedagain · 04/08/2014 22:21

Thanks meerka its been a good day in terms of doing things which are good for me. The 'n' has increased his haranguing re his stuff, he sent a mad garbled message re times he could be free tomorrow which i ignored then another message much later saying he is going away on thursday and he 'needs' both his rucksack and his spare laptop and please could i help him.

He said he'll be passing my place tonight and could knock on my door to collect it, if you saw where i lived you would know that nobody passes it unless they actually live next door, it's not on a route to anywhere...

So i have agreed to leave his stuff outside in my back garden tomorrow afternoon and let him know when it's there, of course i'll be well out of the way when i send the message so i wont bump into him.

The sad thing is even though i know he's conned me i still miss him and hanker for what was never there, the more i think about it the more i think he actually hates women and never cared a jot for me which alternately hurts me and galvanises me. I can't hate him and don't want to be angry as it's unhealthy for me and was making me depressed.

So all in all i'm moving forward and really trying not to let my emotions get the better of me. I really want to let him know i'm onto him and his deceptions, of course i know it's pointless and could make him turn nastier in defence so it's easier not to say anything.

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Meerka · 04/08/2014 21:31

good idea, hope you had a lovely time. Massage mmm ...

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slimedagain · 04/08/2014 16:23

meerka nah, i went out and had some edifying time with a friend and then a massage, not really in packing mood got plans for tomorrow afternoon so will leave his stuff for him then. My time!

I know it sounds petty but i honestly dont want to do it today. I have been feeling very low in mood and motivation and just want to do things at my own pace, i've been processing so much for so long and am really learning stuff these last few days it's absolutely exhausting!

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