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How to deal with a bossy, demanding friend?

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tellmeaboutstuff · 28/07/2014 13:37

Hi, I have namechanged but I am a fairly regular MN poster.

OK, so I have a friend that I've known for several years, and who has always been quite demanding and bossy. She doesn't have many friends but being a mug decent person I've always stayed friends with her. I actually became friends with her by default as our DDs were best friends at preschool and in the first few years of primary. She is the type of person who wants her own way all the time, won't take no for an answer and who pesters and persuades and comes up with solutions until she gets her own way.

Examples include every time I go to her house for coffee she seems to try to delegate a job to me to do. Last time she invited me to her house I arrived and she was ironing and said that she would iron, and I could fold all the stuff. There was no asking if I minded, just an assumption that I'd do it. Another time she said she had lots of jobs to do upstairs and told me to load her dishwasher so we'd be able to sit down quicker if I did that. I feel that she gives me no choice but to do these things. Another time she wanted me to look after her DD for a couple of days in the holidays whilst she was at work. Without even asking me, when she dropped her off on the second day she said I'd have to drop the DD at the DD's dad's house that evening, which is an hour away. The reason? My friend was going for a weekend away with her boyfriend so wouldn't be able to pick her up that night. I felt I had no choice but to do it. She treats everything as a fait acomplis.

So, things came to a bit of a head yesterday for me. She and I went to London for the day on the train. She was absolutely awful in London, ordering me around and wanting to do everything that she wanted, with no consideration to me at all. I said that I wanted to eat lunch at one place and she said abruptly that no, she was not eating in there, and we'd go somewhere else. At the bit to get on the tube where you swipe your card, she kept standing behind me telling me to hurry up, and speaking to me like I was a child. But, the best bit is she did a load of shopping, then said after a while that I was going to have to carry her bags, as her back was hurting her. I was very pissed off by that point and I said that no, I wouldn't carry them as my back was hurting too. This clearly really annoyed her, and she tried to manipulate me saying that I wasn't being a very good friend as I wouldn't help her out, but I stood my ground for once, and then she was even stroppier and snappier for the rest of the day. On the train home she said she didn't know what was wrong with me, again as if I was a naughty child.

Is there any way to handle someone like her or is the best way just to cut her off? The latter would be difficult as our DDs are friends. Am I best off trying to put some boundaries in place about what I will and won't do? Or to just see her when it's something about the DDs?

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venusandmars · 28/07/2014 21:30

Well....... (a slightly different viewpoint)

I have a friend who sounds very similar - organises things for other people to do, wants me to follow her suggestions, gives me advice on which train to get (I'm 50 ffs!).

However despite all this, my friend is someone who is a 'salt of the earth' type. She would never let anyone down - if she has arranged to meet you she WILL be there. As well as making demands of other people, she would drop everything if one of her friends was in need, and do anything she could to help them. When a mutual friend was in hospital, she drove across town 4 times a week to pick up her dirty laundry, wash it and return it. She has high expectations of herself, and she unthinkingly assumes that this applies to other people too.

I have other 'easier' friends, who when the chips are down find themselves rather busy with their children, their family commitments, their hobbies, and not available to help (nothing wrong with any of this, but the 'anything I can do to help' can be rather hollow).

With my 'difficult' friend, I did go through a period of re-appraisal at one point - one particularly bossy and insensitive interlude had really pissed me off, but overall there is immense benefit in our friendship. I have adjusted some of my behaviour - so when she says "oh get the 5.36 train to x and I'll pick you up , and then I'll drop you off and you can get the 11.48 train home", I just say "that doesn't work for me, I'll text you my arrangements." My 'd'f then seems happy to comply with whatever arrangements I suggest - I think she just has a need for order and arrangement, and if she is the first to suggest it she assumes her proposal is right (and acceptable to everyone else).

I do feel sad, when so many people are quick to say "get rid". How many friends would be have left if we didn't ever learn to compromise? How many people would drop us as friends? What are the unmeasurable, intangible benefits? I have a friend who has a very different lifestyle from mine, and different values, but she is a friend from childhood who remembers my parents, and that alone is worth retaining a friendship.

So for me, it's not as simple as dropping a friend, it's about knowing why I have them in my life, and how far I'm willing to go to make it work.

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notkatemiddleton · 28/07/2014 19:58

Gosh, reading your post, OP she does sound awful!

Is there any particular reason why you are friends with her in the first place? Has she ever been nice/supportive etc?

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lavenderhoney · 28/07/2014 19:45

Its so over isn't it?

I wouldn't have sat with someone nagging at me all the way home either.
Its not written down in blood you have to be friends, your dds can be friends at school and have play dates but not driving about!!! Blimey! I'd have called him and told him to come and get her.

Get busy op. And take a stroppy mate with you next time. Carry my bags! Honestly, I would have laughed so much! A normal person would say " shall we get a cab/ bus? These bags are so heavy!"

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CrabbyBlossomBottom · 28/07/2014 19:43

Shock Shock Shock

These kind of threads never cease to amaze me. Why on earth would you let someone treat you like this?? Confused Are you so desperate for a friend that you'll let someone dominate, use and abuse you? Confused

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AppleAndMelon · 28/07/2014 19:39

I've one of these - she and her husband get grumpy if my family do not fall in with theirs. Distance is the answer.

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Appletini · 28/07/2014 19:26

She sounds awful but why are you so completely lacking in backbone?

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Clutterbugsmum · 28/07/2014 18:43

I suspect if you say no to her the next few times she asks demands you do something for her then she will no longer contact you.

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ROUNDandROUNDINCIRCILESMORETHA · 28/07/2014 16:52

Next time she wants to meet you already have plans ;-)

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winkywinkola · 28/07/2014 16:11

Wow. She's a nightmare.

You really did all those things she told you to? I guess you were taken aback by her sheer chutzpah. That's happened to me too.

Your dds are still friends? Then invite her dd over for play dates only from now on. Tell this woman she is welcome to drop off her dd - and not stay - and that she is to pick her up at X o'clock.

If she doesn't comply them simply don't have a play date again.

You're nobody's slave. What a moo she sounds like.

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Fontella · 28/07/2014 15:07

Tell her to fuck off. She's not a friend - never has been. She's an acquaintance of yours who doesn't care what you want or think, treats you like shit, uses you like a doormat - that's not a friendship. I'm actually outraged on your behalf to be honest.

Seriously, tell her to do one.

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Mabelface · 28/07/2014 15:01

I'd tell her to fuck off in no uncertain terms. Who treats a friend like that? She sees you as a convenient lackey.

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CalamityKate1 · 28/07/2014 14:58

Start sticking up for yourself. I suspect she'll drop you when you stop doing her bidding.

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Branleuse · 28/07/2014 14:56

just tell her that youre fed up with her treating you like some sort of cunt, and that shes being a total arsehole.

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Valsoldknickers · 28/07/2014 14:48

I would deal with this by dropping her like a hot potato!

She doesn't see you as an equal. No drama required, just like Bitter said be unavailable.

Her behaviour reeks of narcissism.

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AndTheBandPlayedOn · 28/07/2014 14:40

Tell her you are used up to use someone else.
If she claims she has not been using you, ask her what she does call it.

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Jan45 · 28/07/2014 14:34

She is vile, stop accommodating her, she's a user, nothing else.

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StillStayingClassySanDiego · 28/07/2014 14:22

She's an arse.

What do you get from the friendship?

I think I'd have knocked her on the head a while ago, probably after making you drive an hour to drop off her child Hmm.

Tell her the truth, you've had enough of being treated like a doormat and you're not going to tolerate it any longer.

She can like it or fuck right off.

You'll feel so much better after telling her, honest! Wink

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RedRoom · 28/07/2014 13:59

Well, we can all advise you on what we would say in your shoes, but the problem isn't you not being able to find the words, it's that you don't seem to have the confidence to say them and risk upsetting other people. The extent to which this woman is taking the piss shows that it's clearly difficult for you to be confrontational: have you found this happening in any other relationships you've had? You seem very nice and as if you like other people to be happy, but obviously with her it is coming at your own expense.

If I were you, I would definitely have no problems at all in saying things like "Hey- I'm not your cleaner! That's twice in a row you've had me doing housework when I come round" and "Sorry, but me doing a two hour round trip to drop off your child is not at all reasonable so I won't be doing it."

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Bustarhymes · 28/07/2014 13:52

Get rid. She's frightful.

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twizzleship · 28/07/2014 13:51

well, first thing you can do is get rid of this notion that she's your friend - she isn't. the only reason she gets away with treating you like a mug is because you let her - why have you never stood up to her? next time she tells you to do something you say 'no thanks, i didn't come here to do your housework'. with people like her you need to have a backbone and be upfront and firm. if you're going out anywhere then make it clear before you go out what will be happening with regards doing the things you both want to do, when she acts up while you're out - leave her and go off on your own.

you need to start saying no to her (NO is a whole sentence in itself). i don't know why you want to stay friends with this person but if you do then start laying down boundaries. if she ever pulls that stunt with her daughter again you tell her to her face 'NO', don't put up with her crap and don't let her get away with it. if you need to, tell her you will ring the police and report her for child abandonment.

you're not going to lose anything by standing up to her because she isn't your friend. she just sees you as a doormat she can walk all over and you let her.

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petalunicorn · 28/07/2014 13:50

I would just see her when it's the about the DDs. The bit about the bags is quite something.

My only but is - how often do you see her? I have a friend who comes around quite a lot, she prefers company to being home alone I think, anyway, it's got to the stage where I have said she's welcome to come round but I have to get on with chores whilst she's there, she still comes. I don't give her jobs to do though.

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thecatfromjapan · 28/07/2014 13:49

She probably won't change unless she has to.
Better to ask why you put up with it.
So, why do you put up with it? Perhaps you are quite passive and like being with someone who is decisive?
Frankly, she sounds hard work and would have to be truly spectacular in some area to be off-setting this.
My advice would be to consider the friendship seriously close to an end already, to limit contact to the necessary, and to regard subsequfnt meetings as practise for assertiveness training. Once you think you have nothing to lose, you might be better at being firm with your boundaries, which will help build your self- esteem.

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BitterAndOnlySlightlyTwisted · 28/07/2014 13:48

Putting in place boundaries is going to be trebly difficult now that you've been a walkover for so long. Her behaviour after you wouldn't comply with her wishes yesterday was just a taster of what is to come.

Honestly, I couldn't be arsed with any of this and would have put a stop to this crap a long time ago.

No need for confrontation, just be constantly unavailable. If she questions you just tell her how it is, no punches.

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daphnehoneybutt · 28/07/2014 13:44

I wouldn't bother with her again at all.

Your DD can get other friends - I wouldn't want my kids going on play dates to her house - if she thinks she can boss adults around she will probably try to get your DD to sweep her chimney or something!

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Whocansay · 28/07/2014 13:44

Just be unavailable. Preferably forever. She sounds like an utter horror!

Alternatively, if you don't want to cut her off, you can learn to say no. And stop going to her house if she's treating you like unpaid help.

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