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Devastated by cruel words

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milliemoomay · 19/07/2014 04:14

It's nearly 3.30 and I can't sleep because of my friend's cruel words. It's filled me with an awful doubt about myself - it's a place that I know well and have worked hard to contain. I'm hoping offloading this will help, so I'm just to go with a stream of consciousness - apologies therefore for the long post.

I met my friend 16 years ago at a teacher training course. He was single (but I later found out that he had actually met someone else during that time), my daughter was a year old and I was living apart from the dad. This friend actively pursued me and I kind of fell for all of it. We had a dalliance, bit of flirting, but nothing more than a couple of drunken kisses. The friend then told me about the girl he had been dating and that he wanted to see her more seriously.

I lost touch with him but a few years later, the friend tracked me down (not particularly hard as I worked for a well-know human rights organisation!) By then he had got married and had 3 children. His youngest was a few months old. She's now 6.

We have been friends since. Meeting for occasional drinks. He does sometimes do the 'I'm unhappy in my marriage' thing. But I feel very strongly about 'affairs' and know first hand the damage they can do.

The thing is I'm seeing an awful side to him - he works in a multicultural environment, and he is constantly making snide remarks about some of the people who work there. He claims that there is positive discrimination going on at his workplace.

He makes awful comments about going to East London and him being the only 'white face' there. What makes all of this very odd is that I'm Asian, and, as you can imagine, I actually find his comments and behaviour disturbing. I've told him this many times and we've ended up having huge rows about racism. Yet, he constantly phones me and acts as if nothing has happened.

Yesterday was the final straw. We met for lunch and he went off in a rant about a guy in his department who was promoted over him (the guy just happened to be Afro-Caribbean). I asked him if he felt a lack of self confidence at times as he got quite wound up by others' achievements - and believe me, that was all I asked. He called me up later and abused me, ranting at me for half an hour. He shouted at me saying that my deconstructing (i.e my question about his self confidence) has destroyed him (!!) and that I'm a bully.

I'm absolutely shocked by all that he had said - he even accused me of patronising people and no one liked women like me who showed off their intelligence - that I was always analysing and making pronouncements. He even said that's the reason I'm forever single (that bit is true - I am on my own and haven't been on a date for 6 years!) I can't work out if he's right... was I out of order for asking him about his self confidence? I also now feel what I suspected for a while - that I'm unlovable and even one of my oldest friends doesn't really like or rate me.

I'm not being hysteric nor is it hyperbole when I say that his words have devastated me. It's made me feel like I'm rubbish.

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Meerka · 19/07/2014 12:09

What does it say about me though that I've invested in this guy at all? That's what upsets me the most now.

when you've been friends with someone for 16 years it's hard to let them go, specially if through no fault of your own other friendships are loosening off.

Frindship's a really powerful force, underestimated, and it hurts sometimes to let a friendship go.

But unfortunately, he's just not a nice man and now he's directly hurt you. Time for the friendship to end really, even if he apologised, not sure you could stand the racist comments any more?

Is it possible to take up some interests where you might have a chanc eof meeting people you like? Its really a great deal harder once you're past mid-20's for many people; people have hteir own lives and it takes time and luck to lay down the comfortable fun basis for a friendship. But doing things with a common interest helps with that, working together on something

take care

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milliemoomay · 19/07/2014 12:24

Deverethemuzzler you're right - i too have thought that as he is a friend to me he couldn't possibly be racist. But that clearly doesn't follow any rational logic as it turns out. I'm the red herring (or brown one!! - ha ha)

Everyone is so right about cutting him out. I did have a massive doubtful moment that I'm wrong and that I need to call him and have it out with him, but I recognise too that where there is a vacuuum (my loneliness!) something has to fill it. It's a hard thing to recognise and I'm crying as I write this. Isetan you're spot on - Now is the time to work on yourself and to fill the void, so as to avoid filling it with another twat.

Yama - I read Tender is the Night for A level and it was transformative. So I re-read it recently and can see why it had such an impact on my 16 year old self!

phoebeflangey I wish I did live near you ... a lovely invitation. I live miles (I think) away - East Sussex.

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tethersend · 19/07/2014 12:28

Yama raises a good point. He sounds like an accomplished manipulator.

"What does it say about me though that I've invested in this guy at all? That's what upsets me the most now."

It says nothing about you. Nothing at all. It says a lot about him and how he keeps control over the people around him. I suspect that this time he's let the mask slip and said things which are not as subtle as his usual control techniques, so you've noticed.

Why do you think he toyed with you before telling you about the other girl when you first met? Control. Ego. Your role is now to feed his ego.

His comment about women showing their intelligence shows a disturbing level of misogyny, and I strongly suspect he sees you as nothing more than an accessory to his life, which is why he's made sure you're always single and wondering if there's something between the two of you. This is not a friend. He does not want the best for you, as a friend should.

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BalloonSlayer · 19/07/2014 12:54

He sounds awful; racist and misogynistic.

I hope this isn't too hurtful but I wonder if one of the reasons he has stayed friends with you so that when anyone calls him on his racist opinions he can say "I'm not racist or sexist! One of my best friends is an Asian woman. So ner."

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Isetan · 19/07/2014 13:18

OP your not the first to self medicate with an unsuitable man but now you recognise that he's part of the problem, it's time to step away from chateau fuckwit for good.

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Pagwatch · 19/07/2014 13:23

I totally agree with Tethers.
It says nothing about you that you have put up with him , except that you judge him by your standards so have constantly, kindly, given him the benefit of the doubt.

He's an awful twat. Get rid of him. Awful man.

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eggnut · 19/07/2014 14:54

Yes, the problem(s!) was with him, not you. Nothing wrong with your question to him and you were just trying to be friends with someone. Avoid him at all costs and make new friends--though I know how hard that is, I've just moved to a new city myself (unfortunately not your area or I'd try to meet up with you!) and it is tough meeting new people and forming connections. Just keep slogging away at it ...

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milliemoomay · 23/07/2014 09:34

I know what I must do but I just need to hear it again as, since Monday, I have been bombarded with texts from this guy. He initially asked if I wanted to talk as he could see I was upset (!) and he's now changing tack and has actually apologised (which he's never done before).

So far I've ignored the texts and want to continue to do so. I don't want to crumble and I'd really appreciate some moral support so that I hold my nerve... thanks in advance.

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fourforksache · 23/07/2014 09:42

ignore, you don't stand to benefit from having any more to do with him Thanks

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Yama · 23/07/2014 09:51

I'll repeat what I said earlier.

Please don't listen to this guy. He has merely been masquerading as your friend.

Don't capitulate. Think about it - has his being your friend ever enhanced your life?

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HauntedNoddyCar · 23/07/2014 09:51

I'd bet that that apology would very quickly turn into it actually being your fault really.

He's trying to worm his way back in. He isn't sorry. He just types the word.

Stay firm.

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BitOutOfPractice · 23/07/2014 09:59

Hello OP. Gos he sounds like an utter horror!

Can you just block him on your phone? Save yourself the agony of watching the texts come in.

He's back peddalling now but that's not because he's sorry. It's because he knows he's losing his control over you

Stay strong and focus on making yourself happy! Thanks

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BeCool · 23/07/2014 09:59

He's not your friend.
He's a racist, misogynistic self-serving arse with a chip on his shoulder.

Even if he does manage to cough up what sounds like a sincere apology, he will still be the same arse.

millie you sound like you would be a lovely friend - put your energies into someone who will be a lovely friend back.

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Isetan · 23/07/2014 10:06

Action strengthens resolve, ignoring his texts in the hope he'll go away is not a very pro-active strategy.

You will be susceptible to people/men like this in general and this arsewipe in particular, if you don't start tackling the root of your issues. His opinions are not your responsibility and do not reflect your beliefs but voluntarily exposing yourself to this fool, is your responsibility and clearly illustrates the depth of the void if you're prepared to fill it with this obvious twat.

Come on OP, time spent in this man's company or ignoring him could be better spent engaging with like minded, stimulating and genuine individuals.

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PlantsAndFlowers · 23/07/2014 11:30

He is trying to get you back onside so he has someone to be mean to. Don't let him!

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milliemoomay · 23/07/2014 12:02

Thanks everyone for your words - perfect tonic for the soul (and a gentle affirming kick!)

I am looking into how to block him on my phone. May speak to my provider about it. Isetan yes, there is the ugly root to contend with. I grew up in an extremely patriarchal society and although I consider myself an independent and strong woman, I guess it's quite deeply ingrained.

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CarryOnDancing · 23/07/2014 12:12

I've not read all the replies but just wanted to reassure you that the issue here lies with your racist, sexist friend.

You shouldn't respect his prejudice opinions and therefore please don't count them. He's purely trying to assert power over you.
A normal friend wouldn't lose it over the question you asked. You question just showed you were right though.

You said it was the final straw-make it so and cut contact now. There's nothing to save here apart from yourself!

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BitOutOfPractice · 23/07/2014 12:29

millie if you have a iPhone it's simple. Open his contact details and there's a button that says "block". Push that and this vile twit is out of your hair! Smile

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SlicedAndDiced · 23/07/2014 12:32

Ummm

I would suggest that you now think of this 'man' as not being a friend.

Dear lord no friends at all would be preferable surely?!

You sound lovely op, and worthy of far more from friendships.

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