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rebuilding with DH after affair

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HollieHelen · 15/08/2013 13:05

DH and I are going through some really tough times after I (stupidly and unforgivably) got involved with high-school sweetheart from 18 years ago.
This is now all over, OM and I are not in touch any more, DH and I have talked everything through. I know he is hurting badly, but I am struggling as to how to acknowledge his hurt on a daily basis whilst also trying to keep up a semblance of normality for DC.
Also, I am really struggling reconnecting with DH physically. Bottom line, I am not attracted to him. I was before I allowed myself to look elsewhere so I know I need to rediscover that for his sake but not sure how??
DH wants us to have more couple time and for everything not to revolve around DC. I want this too and we are going to move house to be closer to family for more help with this, but in the short term what can I do ? do at home date nights work?!

HH xx

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tessa6 · 04/09/2013 17:25

Practically speaking here's what you do:

Accept it will take a long time to get over. He will have meltdowns and crying fits and angry rages for a couple of years even maybe. When these happen be honest, be fair and never threaten him with leaving or make him feel insecure. Love him and wait for it to pass.

Make the effort sexually and with your appearance (I know I sound really old fashioned but I just mean you can't withdraw from him and expect it not to cement his smashed confidence).

Do not ever contact the OM. If he contacts you, show it to your DH and express that you will not be in touch with him again.

Don't engage with flirtatious or infidelitous behaviour with anyone else that you know would hurt him.

Try not to get caught in a whirlwind of weird reciprocal jealousy.

Make time for each other. Show him your best self that you had previously only shown your lover.

Be on his side.

try not to blame him.

Do not become so guilty and apologetic that you cannot engage in an argument with him about something else.

Share yourself fully with him. Don't hoard secrets.

Look at other examples of compartmentalising and selfish behaviour you have and challenge it.

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Ubud · 06/09/2013 01:06

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OrmirianResurgam · 06/09/2013 08:43

"I'm currently happy, my marriage feels strong and unbreakable BUT if I had even an inkling that my DH didn't fancy me, and was in thrall to someone else I'd leave him straight away."

Yep. Who wants to be the second choice. H couldn't keep his hands off me after dday - he was desperate for close physical contact with me. He constantly reassures me that he finds me attractive. BUT it still took me 6 months to feel sure that I was first in his head, he wasn't filled with regret at losing OW, I wasn't the fallback option. That kills long-term reconciliation stone dead.

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HollieHelen · 09/09/2013 10:01

Ubud: to be perfectly honest I think I would have been tempted but I could never have left the kids. I see us as a family, a package that can't be portioned off. So I would have had to say no.
In any case I think I always knew deep down that OM would never really contemplate leaving his wife.

DH is not second choice ... I am really working to try and reassure him of this at the moment but like you say I think it will take a long time for it to be convincing after what I did :(

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Charbon · 09/09/2013 11:01

Hollie I was on your other thread and I wonder whether re-reading that might be helpful to you right now?

You see, I don't think you're being honest with yourself here. Which means you're not being honest with your husband either.

One of the biggest unresolved issues for someone after an affair is why the infidelitous partner chose to stay in the marriage. It's much easier to accept an assurance of being first choice if the affair ended before disclosure, the choice was not one that was forced by the affair partner's agenda and if the person's actions post-discovery are congruent with the words spoken.

This affair ended only after disclosure. You acknowledged before that you were far more invested in the relationship than the OM and knew he would never leave his wife and despite the constant references to not being able to leave the children and your husband not being second choice, there is a strong sense that if these two relationships had co-existed without ties that bind on your side, you would have chosen the OM over your husband.

Not being able to leave the children and regarding you all as a whole unit will be largely irrelevant to your husband. Because he will realise that your choice was self-protective and not motivated by greater love and desire for him, which at the moment is probably all that concerns him.

I'd really try to be searingly honest with yourself first. Your choice was forced to an extent by the OM's ambivalence and greater attachment to his marriage. If you'd had no children and he'd been keener, what choice would you have really made?

This isn't as pessimistic as it sounds. In this type of affair when the marriage was fundamentally strong and arose out of your poor coping mechanisms with tedium ( as opposed to unhappiness) it is very common to have illusory feelings that what was merely an exciting diversion was the Real Deal. We talked on your other thread about how women especially are socialised to reframe lust as love - and new sexual partners, as soulmates. It's also especially common in affairs like this to confuse an addiction to the experience itself, with an addiction to the person himself.

As times goes on and the addiction to the affair lessens, I wouldn't be surprised if you looked back and found yourself amazed that you once thought the OM was a better prize. Distance brings that sort of objectivity and once the scales fall from your eyes, you might see this affair and your husband in a different light. It's at that point when the real choice gets made in a way. A real choice is one that's made when we can objectively assess the qualities and downsides of the options. You were disabled from doing so at the height of the affair and in the initial aftermath too. Your husband's pain and willingness to forgive might also be compromising your objectivity right now.

I'd suggest having a think about this and to get into the habit of stopping yourself when you find yourself saying what you think is the 'right' answer.

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HollieHelen · 09/09/2013 11:08

Lots to think about here ...
The scales have already fallen from my eyes to some extent. When I think about how OM and I colluded in allowing each other to be desperately selfish and uncaring, whilst persuading ourselves it was out of love for each other, I feel really guilty and horrified.
DH is showing me every day what love really is ...

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tessa6 · 09/09/2013 11:21

I agree with charbon here, HH. I've been really impressed by your articulacy and awareness on this thread but I think you're smart, very smart and so you understand the moral horror of what you've done and what's expected of you. You know what's the right answer and what you feel on some level, but not at your base. I think you're trying to answer and frame your feelings in a way to rationalise the situation you've left yourself in. I think you want to want things, rather than actually simply, in your gut, want them.

You might not be ready to be completely and utterly honest with yourself. 'Knowing' your DH is a better man that OM in your head is not the same as 'knowing' emotionally, having learnt it properly through experience and throughout your being.

I think you will get there but I wonder if you posted in order to ask how you could be made to feel something you don't feel, instead of for practical advice.

You are confused because you know that your OM would never have left his wife. You know he cared for you less than your DH and less than you deserve. You know you DH is a good man, who you love. And you know the best thing for your children and your family is you making it work. So with all these things, how come you don't feel perfectly motivated and happy?

It's because it was never about those sorts of things.

You are hungry for something, you have a sad, broken yearning in you, like many of us do. On some level you can't believe your life turned out like this. You're ashamed for feeling that because so many people have worse lives than you and you are so lucky and yada yada yada. But you have it and there you go. For a brief time, that hole got filled and something got reignited and loads of other mismatching metaphors. And because it happened with OM, you associate it with him. falling in love or lust is insanely powerful and the cheapest but most expensive way to feel all that.

Perhaps you need to look at who you were with him, what happened. What's the version of yourself you were running towards, the bit that got lost as wife and mother and colleague? You can have an adventure you know. You can break rules or start again or be creative or look beautiful or be spectacular and move towards a better, more truthful, fuller version of your self that is nothing to do with the OM. That is greater than him. You don't need to do it with for or through a man. What is it really, really, you were searching for or trying to reclaim when you were with him? Wealth? Glamour? Attraction? Fun? Power? They are all available to you. And focusing purely on how you can heal your marriage might actually be taking you away from that thing you need to nurture. If you spend all your time whipping yourself and apologising and mending, but what you were really always searching for, say, was a sense of fun in yourself, then of course you're going to feel like it's not 'working'. But that's not your DH failing, it's you, by not being honest with yourself. You have to repair it, sure, but you also do that by becoming and searching for what you need in your life, with him and outside of him, so you don't just take the easy route of finding it in encounters with some philandering coward. (ps was it you who he texted to say his wife had found his phone after you admitted? that really really is likely to be bollocks, OP. I'd bet she never knew anything and he just wanted to hide from any consequences and keep his marriage unblemished).

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Charbon · 09/09/2013 11:28

I can see that, but again it's about being honest with yourself about whether your husband's love for you is enough for you to fall back in love with him.

You might instinctively say that your husband is the better person but is he the best person for you? It might help to think in terms of these questions: What do you need to know and change about yourself in order to be the person you want to be and the partner your husband needs? Then ask the same question about what your husband needs to know and change about himself.

To bring this to life, you might find after some soul-searching that you are easily bored and have a tendency to seek distractions and escapes in life, which in turn lead to very selfish behaviour. This revelation might help you to see your life in the round a bit more, choosing healthier distractions such as new supportive friendships, a better career, giving something back via volunteering, seeking a new challenge that will validate you far more than another man's sexual attraction.

Your husband might reflect that he enabled your selfishness and also had some complacency about you. I recall he was very supportive of you meeting up with the OM when it was presented as a 'catching up with an old schoolfriend' relationship. I wonder whether that complacency irked you? There is always a balance to be struck between complacency and sexual jealousy.

You need to get to know yourself a bit better I think Hollie. And then take the risk of showing those parts of yourself to your husband that you've been less willing to admit.

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HollieHelen · 09/09/2013 11:40

tessa6 - again, so, so much to process here - I'll be re-reading that message many times!
Yes, you're right, I know I need to focus on healing the part of myself that allowed me to get caught up with the OM, separately to healing things with DH.
I was feeling bored and unfulfilled, but the relationship with the OM wasn't / isn't the only thing I have tried to deal with that. In the last year I have joined a gym, lost weight, taken up running, begun volunteering in a local school, applied for a new job (interview is tomorrow!!), and planning to move house also ...
One of the things I value the most about DH is that he is so supportive of this - like ferrying me around to running events etc - whereas I know OM was way too selfish to do any of this.
I feel very naive also as until you pointed it out, I had never even questioned whether OM's story of his wife finding his phone etc was true ... Now I'm thinking it could well have been his get-out strategy.

charbon - yes, all the events of the past few months have made me do a lot of soul-searching and I don't like what I see, but I think I have a choice about whether to find creative or destructive ways of dealing with things like boredom etc.
Clearly, the stuff with OM was destructive. On some level I'm now thinking I was wanting to punish him for cheating on my way back when, by showing him I could make him cheat now. This is so manipulative I don't even want to believe I could think like that, but I know it's there somewhere ...
I am trying to channel the feelings of boredom and so on into more creative things like volunteering, running etc. Running has begun to provide a real validation.
Also, after what happened with OM I have discussed my marriage with some old friends who I realised I'd not been honest with for years, and have reconnected with them, which is great.

HH xx

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tessa6 · 09/09/2013 11:46

This is all true, HH. Scales don't fall from eyes, 'to some extent'. That's not really scales falling from eyes then. Being amazed and impressed by someone isn't the same as wanting to be with them. You don't have to go from one extreme totally to the other. You might want to spend some time really thinking hard about what IS not good in your dynamic with DH, with your life. That's not a further betrayal. It's really necessary and important.

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HollieHelen · 09/09/2013 11:52

Am totally thinking about this ... what's not good with dynamic with DH is (a) we'd completely got stuck in a rut of routine, kids, communicating on the surface but fundamentally ignoring each other. (b) I need change quite often, and DH fears change. We are discussing this and I know from past experience that when we get the momentum going he can embrace things changing.
He does know me well, but also I have evolved from the person I was when we first met, and so has he, and we need to get to know each other again really.

You're right about scales falling from eyes - I was aware of the horror all along but chose to ignore it while things were so exciting etc. I am facing up to it now though.

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tessa6 · 09/09/2013 12:01

Be kind and compassionate to yourself, OP, as you would to a friend who came to you for help and confession. Lots of people have affairs when they have a perceived shift in desirability; loss of weight, promotion, fame. Sometimes it's just because more people are available to them and they can find someone 'better' for them, and sometimes it's to try and reacclimatize to this new identity where they are desired more and therefore dealing with situations they have never had to before (like turning down advances with grace) and sometimes it's to make up for a battered self-esteem from before the transformation. Look at these factors, it may all be about you outside your marriage, not your DH as such.

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HollieHelen · 09/09/2013 12:11

Hmmm ... not sure about this. Maybe wanting a change in identity as I didn't just want to be 'mum' (I know this is a cliche), though that's strange in a way as I love being mum to DC, but maybe feeling I needed more?
OM definitely not 'better', if anything less physically attractive than DH and way more selfish and with other faults I don't respect e.g. drinking too much.
DH actually seems to find me more attractive after everything that's happened which tbh I have to say I find perverse. It's almost like I deserve to be loved less, not more!!

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tessa6 · 09/09/2013 12:20

Forget about what you deserve, that's his competitive instinct kicking in. Be prepared for a crash as that adrenaline wears off in the course of the year. Your DH should be made aware, somehow, that if he makes it too easy for you you're prone to losing interest. I have seen SO many relationships where I've wanted to take the man aside and say, if you just left a little more space, she would work to fill it. I know you 'respect' your DH, but again, I'd ask you to look at the difference between knowing that cerebrally in your head, and actually knowing it in your body and actions and emotional truth. By not making you question if you will actually lose him, your DH could be signing his own death warrant. Really try and imagine your life without him and how much you take him for granted.


It's good and makes things much easier that you can judge OM as ostensibly less attractive than DH.

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HollieHelen · 09/09/2013 12:33

I know have been / am guilty of taking DH for granted. I really do value him and everything that's happened has shown me how different he is from OM (first relationship, scarred me emotionally when he cheated, basically a coward), and my dad (left my mum when I was 17, also basically a coward).
I know there's a difference between respecting him in theory and in practice. It's difficult to bridge the gap but I am trying. For instance, I really respect how hard he works, and during the summer holidays I went into work with him and helped out a bit. It was the first time I'd ever done this without DC. We then spent the rest of the day together, and it was a lovely chilled time.
I am being honest with myself when I say my life without him would be really difficult, stressful and empty. I do really love him and I am grateful for the fact that he loves me.
DH and I are a good team, both together and when with DC. I mean that sincerely, as in, I can be myself around him whereas with OM I was aware it was unsustainable as I was putting on an act and there were loads of intimate things about me he didn't know, which DH knows.
There are parts of my personality that came out more with OM, but they weren't necessarily good parts ...

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tessa6 · 09/09/2013 12:49

How would you feel if he came in and said he thought he was falling for someone else? Do you find that hard to imagine? Is he your safe reliable place? I notice you mention seeing him at work and that you respect how hard he works. Do you respect what he does? Do you think he's as bright as you? Can you be honest about those things even in your safe place of guilt? Can you see that as someone whose own father left them he is both your perfect dream ( a man who won't leave) but also never going to hit that dark, damaged spot where male approval is needed, to make an unreliable man who leaves you love you?


If you yearn for change and excitement, why can't you bring that into your life in other ways? Expand on running with dangerous sports or adventure holidays, together or alone?

The more we talk the more I think this is about you being naturally adventurous, a bit narcissistic and having been in a relationship with a 'nice' guy for a very very long time. I think he needs to make you a little bit scared.

Are you keeping any secrets from him more generally? Or a better question might be, what would he be surprised to find out about you?
What would he say if he saw this thread?

answer honestly, obviously. We are only words in cyberspace.

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HollieHelen · 09/09/2013 13:15

If DH said he was falling for someone else I would feel (a) like I was losing control of the marriage (this sounds awful put like that but I can't think of another way to put it!! I am a control freak so I guess it's true on some level) (b) desperate to convince him that he should stay with me.
I absolutely respect what he does - primary teaching. I do think he's very intelligent, and much, much more dedicated to his work than I am. I felt like OM was clearly not my intellectual equal ...

Dark, damaged spot - yes, you are so right!! But then maybe it's healthier to be with someone who doesn't have anything to do with that??

I can definitely try to bring change and excitement to life in other ways, and I am trying, with running and so on, and changing jobs and moving house. We have planned a trip abroad with the kids for half term too, which was unusually spontaneous of us!

The thought of DH making me a little bit scared makes me feel ... scared!!!! I suppose I have come to rely on him being nice.

I don't keep other secrets from him. He'd be surprised to find out how much time I spend on MN and other sites when I'm supposedly meant to be working!!! But otherwise, no. Although I do maybe crave some excitement, I have a pretty boring life, don't go out much, so there isn't much else to know!

If he saw this thread I know he would be hurt and confused, which is why I prefer to discuss this on here rather than with people who actually know us!!

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HollieHelen · 09/09/2013 13:28

Also, I should say although I've said about needing change and so on, in daily life I am actually a total stickler for routine and I have routines and rituals for everything, like going to the gym, food, exercise etc. I get really freaked out if something's going to mess with those routines, which can constrain doing other activities. e.g. going out on a night when I 'should' be in the gym. I sound OCD ... DH is much more easy going and prepared to compromise so perhaps saying I like change and he fears it isn't fair ...

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tessa6 · 09/09/2013 14:16

The control stuff is interesting. You kind of are in charge of this marriage and you don't like the idea of not being. DH is in his 'place' and only you are allowed to go outside the lines and get things messy.

Being infidelitous means always being in control. I know it doesn't seem like that, as dangerous and deceitful as it is, but you have information the other doesn't. You have something to fall back on. You have two people vying for your attention who only know the truth you tell them . It's very controlling behaviour.

If your DH primary teaches he is probably a kind, warm, compassionate nurturer rather than someone who can really, powerfully stand up to you and your controlling nature. It sounds like there is some imbalance here.

Who arranged this trip abroad? Who would normally?

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HollieHelen · 09/09/2013 14:48

I booked the tickets - though not before confirming with DH that it was ok to do so! I was actually for holding off booking for a couple of years until DS was a bit older and more able to make the most of it but DH said let's go for it!
DH is definitely kind and nurturing. And I do like to be nurtured, but yes, there is an imbalance in a way ...

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tessa6 · 09/09/2013 14:56

I think he needs to be encouraged to do more high status things and take more control back. You seem like the focus and the arranger a bit too much. He's the 'nice' guy. You're going to struggle to do this because it is against your nature to take the focus off yourself or cede control (sorry..!) If I could speak to your husband I'd suggest he start keeping you on our toes and making some unilateral plans and decisions. To break out of his tidy little slot in your life.

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Charbon · 09/09/2013 15:01

I too am interested in your first response about losing control of the marriage and trying to get him to stay with you (AKA 'winning'). That's very honest, but also revealing.

Like Tessa I am getting an impression of someone who has always had more power in the relationship. And while I agree with Tessa that a loss of that power and a lack of safety would be likely to reignite passion and respect for your husband as an equal partner, I wondered whether it would help to look a bit more deeply into why danger and 'fighting' might be so important to you? Because once safety returns and fear recedes, if you haven't fixed some of these associations you might be vulnerable to seeking out a new risky adventure.

There are likely to be clues in your childhood but also your early sexual relationships. Did you feel more for men who were emotionally unavailable? Did you learn to associate sexual attraction with fear/forbidden fruit? What messages did you absorb about what women should want from a man? Any gender-based messages about the appeal of 'bad boys' who didn't treat women well?

What you say about your husband's primary teacher role sounds like one of those 'right answers' I mentioned earlier. Is there anything lurking there about it not being a manly or sexy job, in your perception?

I'm also interested in the fact that the affair was with a married man. How are your relationships with women generally? Are you competitive with female friends and acquaintances?

Your husband's renewed sexual attraction for you is a familiar response in those suffering betrayal. You may have seen references to Hysterical Bonding on this site, but it's a multi-faceted response to a threat. If your husband has been complacent about your attractiveness and desirability, the interest of another man and your reciprocation of it has possibly made him see you with fresh eyes. The sex is also about re-claiming, competing, feeling loved and providing an uncomplicated release from the pain and confusion. It's usually temporary and as Tessa says, is often followed by a slump and emotional depression.

Has your husband felt safe enough to show his anger with you yet?

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HollieHelen · 09/09/2013 15:10

DH recently did make a unilateral plan and decision for our wedding anniversary, booking a hotel, restaurant and theatre. I was really thrilled! It's in a couple of weeks ...
I don't think I'm attracted to 'bad boys' at all. I spent a long time struggling to feel anything for men, then OM was my first teenage relationship. I didn't associate sexual attraction with forbidden fruit, but definitely with fear of rejection / not being good enough / attractive enough.
I don't think I would have done this with anyone but OM - it was due to our history. The fact that he was married did have an impact obviously. I suppose I did feel competitive with his wife in some ways? My relationships with female friends are quite conflicted. I don't have many close friends, am always very sweet to them, try and make the effort and send things for birthday and Christmas etc, then feel very bitter when this is not reciprocated!!!
DH has shown me his anger, the time when he woke me up in the early morning, really distressed, he said about wanting to hurt OM and also really show me how bad he was feeling. I did find this scary as DH rarely shows aggression towards people so I knew this showed the extent of what he was feeling.

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tessa6 · 09/09/2013 15:18

That's lovely of your DH, but I notice you are still the focus. I mean for him.


Also, let's not forget he hasn't even asked about the details of the affair yet, so hurt is he that he doesn't even want to look at it. I know you are talking about anger but your description of him waking up that night was that he was in tears. Primarily you note he's upset. His anger is also directed at the OM, not at you, so you are safe and unchallenged.

Although ostensibly him not asking about the affair makes it easier for you, in fact your control and narcissism also go unchallenged and since you still have all the information and truth, you are in control. Even more so because you suspect he'll never leave you. You've done one of the worst things it's possible to do and he STILL won't leave you. He will not be like your father. And so you know you 'should' value that, but in your make up and your childhood, you don't. men leave, that's what they do. He won't play that role.

I think it is part of being controlling that you are used to presenting the 'right' version of yourself generally, controlling other's perspectives, even here. Because to be honest, OP, if things were generally as unproblematic post-affair as you've intimated (in that you 'realise' all the right things about DH and OM and are doing all the right things to address it,) I don't think you'd be returning here so often for help.

I am really impressed with your efforts and openness to betterment and curiosity about yourself, and I hope you return. I didn't realise OM was a first boyfriend, that's revealing that it was an adventure but a 'known' one, someone you had a past with. Who ended that relationship originally I wonder?

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tessa6 · 09/09/2013 15:20

I'm not surprised you're not attracted to bad boys. That would cede control. I suspect you've been with men you can always feel a point or two above, because there lies the power and safety. But it gets kind of dull after a while. How do you feel now you think OM probably lied to you about her finding his phone and just wanted out?

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