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Can somebody help me please - how do I make them understand???

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Overtiredmum · 18/04/2013 19:41

I have been with my DH for 12 years, married for 7 and we have two beautiful children, DS 7 and DD 4. DH is a wonderful dad and a good husband, problem is that for the last year or so I have just drifted apart from him, to the point I am just so unhappy, we have finally separated.

This has only been since last week, and we are slowly starting to tell friends and family. The problem is I feel like I am beign ganged up on, no-one really understands how I feel and that I need to do whats best, which in everyone elses view is patch things up with DH for the sake of the kids! But thats the problem, I have been "patching" for the last year, now I just feel like I am barely surviving day to day.

Since having DS, I have worked evenings. I am fortunate that I have a good job which enabled me to continue my career, but working in the evenings, 5-11pm. DH works days 7am to 4pm, which meant we have never needed additional childcare. But also meant that we had very little time together. I have always tried to do the lions share of stuff at home, maybe a couple of times a week he will need to cook for DC, but apart from that I do everything, and then I go to work. My day starts at 6am and finishes about 12.30am when I crawl into bed.

For the last 4 months or so, everything has just gotten on top of me. Growing up, my parents had an unhappy marriage, splitting up on numerous occasions, my DF being always at work, my DM being the primary care provider. My DM made sacrifices for her own happiness, and they stayed together and are companions for each other in their retirement. But I watched this growing up, and can now see my life heading in the same direction. I have tried to talk to my mum about my feelings, but she is of the view that I should stay put, that I could never do any better, a companion is better than a partner and to "think of the children". I can see having a companion works for her, she is 65 - I am 38?

But that is my problem - I am doing this for my babies. For the last 4-6 months they are picking up on my unhappiness. DS is at school all day, but DD is home for 3 days a week - I spend whole days crying, with her drying my tears, telling me she loves me and it will be OK. Thats surely not healthy for her?? My DS has a nervous thing he does with his eyes, which he cannot seem to stop. I feel like I am being a terrible mum, I need to be happy, surely if I'm happy I will be a better mum?

Together as a family, the DC continually fight and argue, fighting for my attention and love.

So, I have broken DH's heart by asking for a separation. This was last Friday. He stayed at his mums for the weekend but came back every day. Every time he left, I felt a great sense of relief, the DC calmed down, played together great, and we had fun. Thats sounds awful I know. The minute he walks back through the door, I am uncomfortable, it is back to square one with the fighting and arguing. For the first time ever, he took them to the park at the weekend on his own, they loved it.

I am just so unhappy, and I feel I am being pushed into a corner. I have had some really dark days during the last few months, I have been drinking a ridiculous amount of alcohol. This past few days have been so tough, I know he doesn't understand, but I feel relief that he now knows at least, and I haven't even felt the need for a drop of alcohol.

I have made an appointment to see a Relate counsellor next week on my own, although don't really know what to expect. I just want to sit down and talk to someone who doesn't know me, or how great DH is.

I just feel drained. I am continually trying to explain that I am just so unhappy, that it is reflecting on the DC, and that I feel to be the best mum I can, I need to be happy, and if that means being apart from DH, then so be it.

Sorry - long and rambling, but needed to get this out of my head. I feel terrible for breaking the heart of a good man - but I have one life, don't I owe it to myself to make the very best of it for me and my DC? I love my DH, but more as a brother. We just returned from a 10 day holiday together, I had hoped the time together would help - but I felt like I was away with a stranger :(

So opinions please - am I doing the right thing?

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fubbsy · 24/04/2013 16:35

Maybe he does mean that (we will never know) but he does not seem to have successfully communicated that sentiment to the OP.

The thing is, he is her husband, not her master. She really does not have to do things just because he says she has to.

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CinnabarRed · 24/04/2013 16:56

Of course she doesn't have to do what he says. No-one is saying she does.

To be absolutely honest, I don't think she sounds particularly well at the moment either. Christ knows, with all that's on her plate I don't blame her. She reminds me so very much of both myself when I had depression and my father when left our family. I'm absolutely terrified she's going to do something that she will later come to regret.

That's the main reason I'm so pleased that she has her counsellor to talk to in real life.

I'm going to leave this thread now. I can't tell if I'm projecting my own issues onto the OP.

OP, all the very best to you. Wishing you peace and health and happiness.

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Overtiredmum · 24/04/2013 17:35

I really do appreciate all opinions, comments and support on here.

Please be rest-assured though that I am absolutely fine in myself, I am sorry if I portrayed that I may be unwell. I guess it is still early days, H is still very much in denial of my feelings. Like night we argued, and he was very spiteful, that is his right I guess, and yet he is still treating me as if we are still "together".

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cjel · 24/04/2013 17:46

It sounds intolerable, forgive me for asking but are you actively trying to separate? I know you said that you have separated but you are still living as a couple and talking as if you haven't made a decision yet? I would advise that you make a serious effort to get him to move out of the home. The sooner the better, you are living in a no mans land with the worst of all situations.

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Overtiredmum · 24/04/2013 18:07

We are having to share the house because of my job, I don't get home from work until 11.30pm. Then I have to work days all this weekend, so he would need to be there again. He is sleeping on the sofa.

He has asked me to help him get a mortgage on another property that he wants to buy and do up for himself and the DC? When he says that I think he has realised that there is no reconciliation. Then in his next breath he is asking if this is actually "serious"?!

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cjel · 24/04/2013 18:12

Oh yes sorry I do remember reading that. However It has to be overcome. You can't live this way, something is going to have to give. Surely if you have separated he has to start making a life for himself and your Dcs will have two homes? I am not underestimating the difficulties. Will he live in other house while its being done up I think your priority has to be getting him somewhere to live quickly.

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GoSuckEggs · 24/04/2013 18:31

Stay strong, you can do this.

you just need to keep telling him you are not together and will never be again. over and over until he gets it.

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Overtiredmum · 24/04/2013 18:55

Nervous about putting my name on another mortgage though, feel like I am being held to ransome? I'd have to get a contract drawn up?

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cjel · 24/04/2013 19:09

Don't go any where near joint mortgage. We have a buy to let together and it was agreed my name would come off but he has never got round to it I am liable and he has 180,000 outstanding on it. Has finally put it on the market! Don't even think about it. You have to get legal advise about this urgently. He is taking the mick big time!!

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fubbsy · 24/04/2013 19:12

If I were in your position, I wouldn't be putting my name on another joint mortgage. It sounds like a really bad idea. You are trying to separate from him, not get more involved.

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Overtiredmum · 24/04/2013 19:22

Just had this text from my mum:

"Why is it all me me me. Fed up with you thinking that is all about you. I thought your kids were the most important thing in your life. It doesn't look like that to us. Dad is so disgusted I've never seen him like this before but so what".

To which I replied "I don't know what to say to that"

She replied "Don't bother".

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cjel · 24/04/2013 19:25

You poor thing. Please don't bother to get into conversation with her, she will never understand your decision, is clearly going to be no support whatsoever and you only need people who will look after you in your life at the moment while you go through all this.Have you a friend in RL to dump on?

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Overtiredmum · 24/04/2013 19:36

Nope I have absolutely no-one that I would share all of this with. I nearly said back to her "Well did you put me and my sister first when you threw my dad out?" but decided not to.

She just text back:

"You are right - you do have a problem!"

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wordyBird · 24/04/2013 19:37

Oh dear...well, it's sad that they feel the need to have a hissy fit because you are running your own life. Best leave them to fume. They'll get over it.

Try to detach and tell yourself their opinion is irrelevant (difficult, I know, but try it anyway). It's always painful to make changes: and strong characters don't take kindly to being sidelined, but it has to be done somehow.

Stay strong, you're doing fine. Brew

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cjel · 24/04/2013 19:37

you poor thing. How you feeling?

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Overtiredmum · 24/04/2013 19:46

Heartbroken that they, or she, can be so blunt and damning!

Why is it all me me me?!

FFS, come on, lets have a vote, who thinks I should just give up how I feel and just make do?

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cjel · 24/04/2013 19:47

I just wanted to say that I understand why you wouldn't want to unload on your friends after your experience of m and H but suddenly felt that you did say friends were being supportive and its amazing how they really want to be involved in helping towards your new life. Have a think about who you would choose and take the risk of talking to themxx

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Overtiredmum · 24/04/2013 19:57

I just don't understand how she can say that to me? Thought parents were supposed to have unconditional love for their children?

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Overtiredmum · 24/04/2013 20:15

I really am just speechless!

There are so many things I want to say back to her, but whats the point?! Is this her way of trying to bully and manipulate me? Sad

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WhereYouLeftIt · 24/04/2013 20:19

Unfortunately OP, being and arse does not make you infertile; would that it did, the world would be a far simpler place if it did Sad. Some parents are just crap, and I'm afraid your mother is one of them. Interesting that she said ""Why is it all me me me. Fed up with you thinking that is all about you" - spoken like a true narcissist who resents not being at the centre of everyone's world! I wonder; if you were to think back, how many example of her self-absorption would come to mind? Quite a few I think. As has already been mentioned, best to detach from her.


"I nearly said back to her "Well did you put me and my sister first when you threw my dad out?" but decided not to."
Far more restrained than I would have been, but then you're a much nicer person. (Maybe keep that in reserve though, for when you want her to go in a huff and leave you be.)

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WhereYouLeftIt · 24/04/2013 20:22

"Is this her way of trying to bully and manipulate me?"
Absolutely Sad.

And don't touch a joint mortgage with a bargepole.

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cjel · 24/04/2013 20:28

Your last two post just spoke of exactly why you are a lovely lady. Others would have ranted and raved at her appalling treatment of you. I can't imagine how hard it must be to realise that your parents aren't what you have wished for. I did wonder if your dad is actually thinking what she said and not just going along with the flow by being quiet? You have really good role models of how not to parent your Dcs and by making the brave choice you are making now will ensure that they never have to feel as you do. Try as hard as you can not to rise to her, I don't think she will ever think of anything but how it is effecting her, and a long row with her will just take energy you don't need to be wasting at the moment. Can you journal what you would like to say or if you think someone may find it just write it all down and destroy it? How often are you seeing your counsellor? If you can't face telling someone in RL what you are going through it would be good to see her at least once a week.

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Overtiredmum · 24/04/2013 20:38

How can I be a lovely lady, if I'm prepared to make those around me clearly hate me so much?? m I really being so selfish? They are not even giving me chance to prove that I might actually be very right about my own children?

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Overtiredmum · 24/04/2013 20:39

Have only had an initial session, I now have to sit tight and wait for a regular appointment, could be months Sad

I just feel destroyed now

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Overtiredmum · 24/04/2013 20:55

I know one thing, I will never treat my DC like my "D"M is treating me?! She has no justification to be like this with me.

She may never understand it, but she will have to accept it. FFS she's making me feel like a child being told off!

I love my parents, but do I need THIS??

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