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I need to talk to someone normal about my husband.

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FeelingLousyAgain · 11/01/2013 20:28

Normal people over here please! Grin (tongue in cheek)

I am in a bad place with my husband. Basic story: married 15 years, 2 dc aged 10 and 9. I have been, at various times in our marriage, in full time work, part time work, voluntary unpaid work and as a SAHM (the last two overlap). We spent the last three years with me re-training for a new career, and I qualified this year. I'm now working f / t (flexible hours). New job meant a move of house, so moved to a new area in my home county and the county that DH knows best. DH has long term clinical depression, but says it's fine and under contro lwithmeds at the moment.

So far so good (except the depression). Except that, since we moved and I started my new job, dh has been mostly v. emotionally distant - he says he feels 'numb'. He had a big depressive episode in Sept-Oct, and it was absolutely horrible. He talked then about leaving me. He withdrew a lot over Christmas and I got quite worried about him from a MN POV, and started thinking about whether his meds were enough etc.

On New Year's Day I mentioned that, now that we are living in a nice big house with a big garden, we might think about getting a dog. His response was that he didn't want to complicate our lives with a dog. I asked if he felt that life was too complicated, and he responded by saying that for weeks, he'd been thinking about whether he still wanted to be with me. He said 'We'll always have a good relationship, even if the marriage fails', and 'I don't want you to think that I haven't thought of the kids in all of this.' His reason that he gave was that he didn't feel as though he has a role in our relationship any more, he's seen how capqable I am and he doesn't feel needed.

I was really shocked as I had no idea that he'd think this - I had thought that the October episode was an abberation. I was really upset and cuoldn't sleep that night. Next day, I went back to bed for a bit to catch up on sleep and he came in, and we talked - he ended up saying that he is committed to our relationship.

Then last night something sparked another conversation - I am struggling with my workload and have been ill over the last few weeks. He started off by responding positively, but then started saying that my workload is affecting our relationship and I' dbetter sort it out soon, before there's no mariage left to save. (I work about 45 hours a week). I said that sounded like a threat and he didn't really respond.

I have access to counselling through my work, and last night dh agreed to counselling, so I emailed the counsellor today but I haven't heard back yet.

The reality of dh's feelings (or lack) has hit me hard, and I've felt v. down today. Dh got home from work, tookone look at me, said 'You're not right'. Aftre a bit of chat I told him how hurt and upset I am with him. He ate his dinner in silence then went to bed at 7.30pm. We had talked about having sex tonight. Sad

Sorry it's so long. I just need to talk to someone who is normal and not me, or dh. My friends are all too far away (because we moved). What do I do? Dh has said I haven't done anything wrong. I'm more or less 100% sure that there isn't anyone else involved.

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FeelingLousyAgain · 07/02/2013 19:02

Yes, Flipping, it is unfair - but tbh I think it's also sadly true - if I say that it really is over, he could well spiral downwards and end up in a very bad way. I do worry about that.

Garlic, meant to add, sorry that you suffer from depression :( I wish you better health soon.

I also meant to say I hope that the thread title doesn't offend anyone - the last thing I want to do is imply that people who suffer from depression are abnormal, heaven forbid. But as I said, there's a whole lot else going in as well as the depression here.

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MadameOvary · 07/02/2013 19:03

FFS at him not being willing to work on himself re MH issues if you aren't staying. So he doesn't believe he has MH issues but is happy to trot them out if they can be used to manipulate you Angry
There are many many more red flags here but they have been covered by other posters. Glad you are seeing the light now OP.

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FeelingLousyAgain · 07/02/2013 19:05

Tipsy, sorry to hear about your experience :( You're right, MN is a lifeline - I think the anonymity really helps me. I am very 'naice' Wink in RL, and 'naice' people would never talk about the really dark stuff that's gone on in my marriage.

So thank you all for being here.

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PureQuintessence · 07/02/2013 19:07

Having read through all this, there is really only one thing that strikes me:
Your husband is extremely manipulative.

It is like you have had to focus on him, and beg for a relationship your entire marriage. His mental health is the be all and end all. And now he is using it in a new way. For counselling, to manipulate you further with the counselors blessing. "no point in adressing his mh problems if you are not married. " That is not just emotional blackmail, that is coercion!

Bullocks to that!

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flippingflup · 07/02/2013 19:12

It could be true Feeling, but even if he does fall deeper into depression it is NOT YOUR FAULT. You are obviously a lovely person and are worried about his welfare, but it is most definitely up to him to manage, you certainly do not have to stay just in case he gets really unwell.

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FeelingLousyAgain · 07/02/2013 19:15

Bullocks indeed! Grin

And another thing (while I'm on a roll....) I've had so much of the 'well, marriage is hard...' type 'advice' this last month. So much 'well, you need to nurture your relationship' etc. I'm not knocking it as general advice, but most people who have taken it upon themselves to advise me have said this, more or less, without even really hearing what I have to say about the marriage first. (Sister, and a few colleagues being the exceptions). One, extremely clever, ridiculously highly educated woman told me that the man always has to be cleverer than the woman or the relationship doesn't work Shock as if it were a universal given. (Her husband is even more lettered than she is). So it's my fault for being too clever. Angry

Spleen-vent over! (for now, anyway...) Smile

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orangeandlemons · 07/02/2013 19:19

I'm with katiescarlet. I suffer long term chronic anxiety and depression. I am eternally grateful to dh for his support, and make every endeavour to protect my family and him from my illness. It does not make me treat anyone badly or say I want to leave them.

I think his behaviour and depression are two entirely separate things, and he is using one as the excuse for the other.

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mrsbunnylove · 07/02/2013 19:19

its the 'educating rita syndrome'. and look what happened there.

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tipsytrifle · 07/02/2013 19:24

FLA - your spleen-vent was a DELIGHT!

*encore!

Seriously, I think you might need a few more of those to blast away the fog!

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FeelingLousyAgain · 07/02/2013 19:29

Oooh, Educating Rita! Haven't read / seen that in a long time. 'It's getting the rhyme wrong.' Classic. (Might have to watch the movie one evening soon!) Smile

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Mimishimi · 07/02/2013 19:50

OP, I had a fairly bad depression for a few years and was taking AD's for a while. If I had treated my husband the way yours treats you, he would have ended it. I never blamed him for the depression, it was more about blaming myself if anything. Your H sounds very manipulative which suggests that his depression is just a front for him, which he turns on at will, to excuse being a horrid jerk. You might not, and don't want, to see this ow but honestly it sounds like you are well rid. My husband would love it if I were better qualified and employed than him, he'd positively crow about it.

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AnyFucker · 07/02/2013 20:02

OP, have you seen the "relationships are hard work" thread ?

most of the people on there who are in functional partnerships are saying "no" they are not "draining" and shouldn't be constantly "hard work"

a relationship should make you feel better about yourself, not be hard labour

if you'd killed someone you would have been let out for good behaviour by now...

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MaybeOrnot · 07/02/2013 21:15

Relationships with a partner should be no more difficult than they are with a good friend. IE,not at all difficult.
OP,are you dealing with cultural differences,that you've not mentioned?

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FeelingLousyAgain · 07/02/2013 21:46

Bleeeugh. Well, I've done the marriage counselling. H was pretty quiet and neutral - unlike the counsellor who told me that we can't 'work on things' until I let h come home. Are counsellors allowed to say things like that? She told me I'd need h's 'help' with the dc during half term, so I'd have to have him back by then. Oh, and to get a cleaner. Hmm

Then she said 'Don't let anyone tell you that the kids will be all right [if you split]. They won't. Kids would rather their parents were together even if they're screaming and shouting at each other. It terrifies children when their parents split.'

I mean....really? This is a trained counsellor, who trains other counsellors, and she's pretty much putting pressure on me to have h back and to stay together for the children. As if I weren't feeling bad enough already! H and I drove home together and we both felt a bit Hmm at what she'd said, and h said that he'd rather we parted amicably than stayed together in a bad marriage.

I'm feeling in need of some quite considerable spleen-venting...

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AnyFucker · 07/02/2013 21:48

Sack the counsellor

Is she on your husband's payroll ?

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FeelingLousyAgain · 07/02/2013 21:49

Maybe, re. cultural differences - kind of. We come from very different styles of family, both brought up in the UK, in different areas (although I'm only half British).

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CharlotteCollinsislost · 07/02/2013 21:49

ShockShockShock at what your 'counsellor' said. That's terrible!

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FeelingLousyAgain · 07/02/2013 21:51

Smile AF. I feel quite shaken by this evening, not by h, but by the counsellor. I think h found it hard too.

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Spero · 07/02/2013 21:55

Sack her then make a formal complaint about her. She is emphatically NOT there to tell you what to do. She should be there to provide you both with a neutral space to explore your feelings. It's ok to ask you both probing questions to help you articulate your fears and worries - for eg 'how do you think a split would effect the children' - but to say stuff like that. Words fail me.

Completely dangerous and irresponsible.

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AnyFucker · 07/02/2013 21:56

Some counsellors are dangerous. Really.

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AnyFucker · 07/02/2013 21:56

x posted with spero, yup

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Spero · 07/02/2013 21:59

Please complain about her. It could be some one getting battered that she orders home.

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MaybeOrnot · 07/02/2013 22:01

Your 'counsellor' is to be got rid of. I only mentioned the cultural differences as they caused huge divisions with my parents. We were so relieved when they separated,and a cloud lifted.

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AnyFucker · 07/02/2013 22:02

I feel very slightly more positive about your H if he baulked at what that counsellor said, tbh

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Spero · 07/02/2013 22:02

Sorry, I know you have got enough on your plate. But that stuff she said about children wanting their parents together even if they are screaming and shouting?? Ask her when she last read the Sturge/Glaser research. Ask her what view the family court would take on issue on significant harm.

She is mad.

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