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Need some honest advice - DH is suicidally depressed and I had no idea

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pseudonomic · 23/07/2011 00:03

I have namechanged. Some of you know the first bit. Please do not out me.

DH suddenly left me. We'd had a few rows but nothing major. 24 hours later we talked and talked and talked some more. It's taken a week but the situation has been emerging.

He's depressed - I knew this. But he revealed to me tonight he's thought about suicide many times over the last few years. I had no idea it was that bad.

We're going to RELATE - starting next week. He says they will be able to get him some help. I want him to go to his GP on Monday because I'm really scared for him now. :( He's always pooh-poohed me saying he was depressed but he's now agreeing.

He's not sleeping well, we are living apart, but he's seeing me and the kids every day. He's coping reasonably well with the day to day but he's just flat all the time. He will smile for a moment but it's fleeting.

I don't know anything about depression really. I've always been a really up sort of person. I've had bad times and been down obviously but never anything more than a couple of hours of misery you know?

I have absolutely no idea what to do to help him. Or what he should do to get help.

People round me are saying I should not be with him because he walked out on us but from my point of view, he's mentally ill. I wouldn't leave him if he had cancer and it made him unable to live normally, why would I leave him if he has a problem with his brain which made him act irrationally?

I don't know what I'm asking here really, other than some reassurance that it's good that he's acknowledged this problem. I don't know how to deal with it at all though Confused Sad

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Grockle · 28/07/2011 15:29

Just wondering how things are going?

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Lizzabadger · 24/07/2011 11:57

No one can make him seek/accept treatment (unless he's an acute risk to himself/other people). He already knows how to get help. He is an adult and it's up to him to take this up if he wants.

This may all be a manipulation anyhow (given the backstory).

Don't get sucked in. Detach, detach, detach and concentrate on yourself and your DC.

Maybe postpone Relate for now.

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ILoveUMama · 24/07/2011 05:53

I suffer from manic depression/bipolar myself. Since having my 2nd son it has gotten worse. I started on medicines and going to counseling for myself as well as family counseling with my DH and our parents so that they could understand what is going on and how they can help. Also making sure to have time for yourself and time with others is a great way to help. I think you are doing the right thing sticking with him and him addmitting the problem is a great thing. The only thing to watch for is that the medications are not working or they are triggering the depression. It may take a while to find the right dose and perscription. Also he may decide not to take them because he feels they are unnessessary or a cop out. You can get better without medicine, but it is much harder and requires plenty of support and money. I have tryed it both ways and finding a spot in the middle some meds and some other things seems to work best for me. It is a hard thing to deal with but he can overcome it especially with your support. Be strong and like garlicbutter said stay detached because if you get depressed you'll fuel each others depression. Good luck.

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Grockle · 23/07/2011 11:11

But it is very hard to see someone you love behaving in such a way and to not be able to help them.

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cestlavielife · 23/07/2011 10:21

"talkng" may be difficult - conversations just go round and round.

all you can do is tell him -
you want to be there for him
you will arrange/go with to any appts

the rest is up to him - and his profressional medical team.

not you.
it is his depression

it's matthew johnston e - worth reading
ihadablackdog.blogspot.com/

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Grockle · 23/07/2011 07:31

I'm so glad you have some help & support. You sound very sensible and levelheaded about this. I wish I'd been more like that in the beginning.

Garlicbutter, what an excellent explanation. I think depression is a little bit like labour - once its in the past, you know it was terribly hard but when you don't have those awful feelings anymore, it can be hard to remember exactly what it was like. it's good to be reminded. I remember desperately wanting to die but smiling at the sun shining through the trees onto the autumn leaves.

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pseudonomic · 23/07/2011 07:19

Thank you all of you esp. Garlicbutter, that was a very brave post. :)

Grockle, so sorry you are going through this too.

Well I didn't get a lot of sleep and I've got a lot to think about. In answer to thumbsnose I genuinely don't think this is an act. It's hard to fake the dead eyes for a start. :(

I know this isn't my fault. I know he needs help. I'm going to talk to him but today I'm getting my support system geared up to help me with this. I can't do this on my own but I have a few people round me that can help me so I'm going to call them in and get them to help me.

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Grockle · 23/07/2011 07:08

Sorry, am on my phone so please excuse poor typing and grammar!

Hoping you are ok, OP

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Grockle · 23/07/2011 07:07

Oh, this is horrible Sad and remarkably similar to my situatio where DP upped and left after a minor incident that we'd have ordinarily talked about. but its been 10 weeks and he still won't talk to me Sad other that brief occasional texts saying he misses me. Confused

I want to help but there's little I can do. And I feel so angry about how he's treated me and DS I'm finding it all very hard. i do have some understanding as ive been seriously ill with depression but even in ny very worst moments, i was always careful to try not to hurt those i loved. Please make sure you look after yourself.

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mathanxiety · 23/07/2011 06:47

Really great post, GB.

Speaking from the other side of the equation -- there is nothing as likely to provoke massive feelings of alienation and deep frustration as a partner mentioning suicidal thoughts. Don't beat yourself up about this. His depression is not your fault and you cannot cure it.

exH spent years peppering his conversations and remarks about others with words like weak and strong. Weak meant admitting problems and seeking help. Strong meant essentially lashing out at people who loved him, to the point where all hope of remaining married was gone. Strong meant drinking until he fell asleep on the living room floor many nights. Strong meant exercising maniacally and depriving himself of food in search of some sort of high, some feeling of being in control, of being superior in his Spartan way and therefore Not Weak. Strong meant desperately keeping up a facade.

He still blames me for 'driving him to the brink of suicide'. (Along with blaming me for every little thing that went wrong in our home and relationship). I came to realise that a great deal of what he said to me when he descended into rage and criticism was in fact aimed at himself. He spent a lot of our marriage talking to himself, in other words.

It wasn't all depression with him. Blaming and hiding can be part of depression, but with exH there was a large dose of something else too (personality disorders and terminal self absorbtion and self hatred, plus huge Mother issues, not to mention he is deeply closeted gay or bi). Hard to know where the depression ended and the rest kicked in.

If he won't go to the GP willingly and seems in any way 'off', very calm, shut down, or agitated, you can call the police and tell them he has been mentioning suicide and ask what they can do. It is acutely important when someone mentions suicide even if they say it is in the past, that they be assessed asap by a psychiatrist. Relate is not for this kind of problem.

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Piggles · 23/07/2011 06:26

It is very good that he has acknowledged that he needs help, that is the first tentative step towards getting well again. But he really does need to see a GP and get an official diagnosis and hopefully some treatment.

Sometimes you don't even notice how low you've sunk and how depressed you are until getting out of bed in the morning becomes as challenging an idea as running a marathon is for a 'normal' person. So if it has crept over him gradually it isn't surprising that you didn't notice immediately just how bad he was feeling. You often don't notice gradual changes in people you are closest too.

I know that I plodded on for years feeling alternately miserable, and totally unable to really be bothered with anything because it was all so futile, and occasionally idly contemplating how much easier it would be to be dead. Nothing dramatic and no 'I can't possibly carry on!' sort of moments or real suicidal intent, just a quiet feeling that life wasn't really that great and it wouldn't be so bad if it was all over and I could stop crawling on and on through this thick bland pointless mud of existence. But I don't think anyone knew just how drained and sad I was feeling until I finally had a break down and admitted that I couldn't cope.

There isn't much you can really do for someone with depression. Quiet un-judgy support and being there if/when they want you is about all you can do. You can't fix his depression any more than you could fix a tumor or other disease. He has to want to be treated and then accept what medical professionals offer him to hopefully help him get well.

As for medication. It can be a great help, it can be only semi-helpful, or if you've been prescribed something that disagrees with you it can be a nightmare.

I was given Prozac at first and it made me worse. I was sleeping 20 hours a day and having hallucinations. To this day I have no idea if some of my 'waking dreams' were real or not and I have substantial memory gaps. The doctor quickly realised though that it didn't agree with me and I got given Zoloft instead and I felt the fog slowly lift and 'normality' returned. I wouldn't say I was a happy-go-lucky person now, but I don't feel like I'm drowning or lost anymore, and it takes quite a bit to drag me down and although I still haven't figured out what the 'point' is I'm not having a bad time on the ride.

As for alcohol intake - he will probably have to stop drinking if he starts taking ADs because they react with alcohol... no actually, they really react with alcohol.

I had two small glasses of wine once while taking mine (It was Christmas Eve and I decided it wouldn't hurt Hmm) I vaguely remember falling over (like a felled tree I am told) and then nothing. I missed Christmas. I woke on on Boxing day feeling like hell with no memory of anything after I hit that floor.

Best of luck with dealing with it all. It may be HIS depression but that doesn't mean you don't need help dealing with it too. Look after yourself x

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garlicbutter · 23/07/2011 02:28

:)

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ThumbsNoseAtSnapewitch · 23/07/2011 02:24

Sorry, that looks a bit thick - I mean, it looks helpful to me - I hope the OP finds it helpful too.

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ThumbsNoseAtSnapewitch · 23/07/2011 02:23

garlic, that's a brilliant post - really helpful, I would hope.

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garlicbutter · 23/07/2011 02:07

Thumbs, I share you - er, doubts in this case. But the logic is the same. Compassionate detachment.

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garlicbutter · 23/07/2011 02:05

Hello, lovely :)

As I think you know, I have clinical depression following a couple of breakdowns. Forget about self-help bollocks like mid-life crisis; it's a potentially fatal mental health crisis. They rarely look like they do in the movies.

Firstly, you're right that it's great he's decided to acknowledge a problem and see his doctor. Unfortunately, he will probably downplay the severity of it when he's there. We do this, not out of pride, but because our world-view is already so grim, we see ourselves as worthless and the entire universe as similarly depressed. A healthy person, listening to us, wouldn't get what a hugely different perspective we're coming from (this includes doctors!) because we present our feelings as normal - they are, to us - and can even be funny about them. A lot depends on your GP personally, and also on the practice's catchment area; I got the most empathetic treatment in an overcrowded London district, where practitioners have more cause to understand stress-related illnesses.

I took advice to write down my real feelings before seeing the doctor. This has to be done privately: for obvious reasons, we try to hide our honest thoughts. It helps a lot when you get to the doctor's - if you find you can't talk, you can hand your mind-dump over and wait for a response. It's OK to cry (that's for him, though it's also okay for you!)

You can't mend it. Neither can anybody else, though people who have appropriate knowledge are invaluable guides towards recovery. It's hard to describe depression. It's like living in a colour-desaturated world, where it's always dark and there is no future. Horrid beyond horrid. Suicide looks like the only logical option: there is no point, just no reason to carry on trudging through the dark. I'm a hundred times better than I was back then but, in truth, I still don't see the point. Main difference is, I now believe I will!

Medication is not a cop-out, it's a lifesaver. Ignore anyone who insists you can do it with herbals and exercise. Exercise is helpful but, at my worst, I did well to walk thirty yards - and I often had to do it in my pyjamas! Antidepressants are really hit-and-miss. It takes six weeks to find out whether your prescription suits you and three or four months to tell whether they're working. The patient is not the best person to tell if they're working, unless they have a strong reaction one way or the other. It takes a good, listening professional.

Big joys can strain your depressive to the max. We'll put out all our best responses, then be exhausted by the effort for days or weeks. Tiny joys, like the ones that interest small children (a butterfly, a pile of autumn leaves, a jigsaw, tidying a row of something) are more useful because they give us an opportunity to be mindful - to exist, just for a moment, in something honest.

You can't mend it.
You are not responsible for it.

The best example I've ever seen - and I've seen a lot - of a depressive with a working relationship was a journalist, who wrote of his "black dogs" and how his family copes. His wife ignores him. She makes sure he's fed & watered, shoos him into the shower once a week or so, and otherwise shuts the door on him. He has a young child, who knows it's okay to go tell Daddy about stuff, but just to walk out again if Daddy isn't well enough to listen or play.
This keeps the writer and his wife sane. From what he wrote, I imagine his wife's doing a great job of keeping the child sane Wink

Depression is 'catching'. Don't involve yourself with it. If you can, stay kindly detached. If you can't, there's no shame in quitting.
I wish you both the best of luck and the best of help.

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ThumbsNoseAtSnapewitch · 23/07/2011 02:05

If you are who I think you are, I won't out you but is there a possibility that he isn't telling the truth and this is just a new mind game?

He HAS to go to the GP. Relate won't be able to help him if he's actually suicidally depressed. He HAS to get a psych evaluation.

And you are NOT an idiot. How are you supposed to realise what someone else is thinking if they don't tell you and don't act upon it? You can't. This is NOT YOUR FAULT.

If he knew it was that bad, he should have gone to the GP some time ago. He seriously needs to stop blaming you for any of this, man up, take some responsibility and get it sorted ASAP, for his children's sake, if no one else.

Sorry if I'm sounding really harsh but I really don't want you to start blaming yourself again for what is essentially his own problem. Please don't get sucked into that again.

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pseudonomic · 23/07/2011 01:30

Not today but previously. Today I frankly nearly fell off the sofa when I realised how sad he is :(

I must be such an idiot not to realise how bad it was. I just thought he was a grumpy bastard who was being antisocial. :(

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AitchTwoOh · 23/07/2011 01:23

oh love, you poor thing. he has had a lot to deal with in his life, and so have you. it does sound (not from here, but otherwise) that he has quite a considerable dependence on drink as well, did you talk about that regarding the depression? the two can be very inter-linked, i believe.

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FuzzpigFourFiveSix · 23/07/2011 01:23

Just marking my place now as I'm off to bed, will try to check in tomorrow.

Agree that GP is essential, relate are not trained for this. Good luck x

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pseudonomic · 23/07/2011 01:22

Ah not me if that's what you were thinking. No I shared a student house when I was at uni with one manic depressive and one person who, well I never really knew what it was but I know she was on Prozac and dropped out in year two. Back then I was slightly pissed on a regular basis though and you know you have these inane late night convos? That's why I only know a bit.

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Eurostar · 23/07/2011 01:19

Am curious as to who these "raving" people are you know who say they hate their meds?

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pseudonomic · 23/07/2011 01:13

I know nothing about depression. Nothing.

Nothing about the drugs either.

Other than the ravings of people who have told me they hate their meds. But generally this is when they suddenly stop them, so perhaps they are not quite right in the head either? Confused

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burgerclub · 23/07/2011 01:04

OP - I'm not surprised you're angry with him, to be honest. Anger is always the first reaction I have whenever anyone I love confesses to suicidal ideation ("you selfish CUNT" being the usual mental expression of said anger.) I also feel very angry with my acutely suicidal self when I think back to how it could, and very nearly did, go for me.

Still. I think you have to do your best to bear in mind that there is nothing diva-ish or attention-seeking about suicide: it is almost always primarily about "sparing" your loved ones the "burden" of coping with your horrible useless dead weight self. Releasing oneself from unbearable psychological pain is also a motivating factor, obviously, but in my experience the overwhelming motivating factor was putting my loved ones out of the perceived misery of having to cope with my depression. Nothing stroppy about it, just a sense of overwhelming guilt and duty.

I've finished that bottle of wine now (sorry!) so I might be speaking more harshly than I otherwise would, but... You're "frightened" of the idea of medication? Why? Do you like what's happening to him? Do you have any better ideas? Are you a doctor? Ever taken anti-depressants? Have you got perfect insight into all the side effects of all medications ever licensed, and therefore "know" that psychotropic meds are especially "bad"? I just... would you be scowling and turning your nose up at insulin if he was diagnosed as diabetic? Because... frankly... I think you know where I'm going with this.

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pseudonomic · 23/07/2011 01:03

That sounds like a good plan. I'm going to see my parents tomorrow anyway.

He's good with the kids. He always has been though he's been tired and not really good company lately.

I don't know why I'm worried about the meds. He's got alcohol issues, I guess I'm worried they'd permanently change his brain. But that may not be a bad thing in the circumstances. But I don't want him to stop being him IYSWIM?

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