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Would you let your tenants have a puppy?

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Creamegg11 · 16/10/2020 21:18

Just that really. Tenants moved in two months ago into my two bedroom first floor flat with a section of back garden. They hadn’t mention any wants of having a dog when the letting agents asked all prospective tenants of any requirement that they want. I just had new carpets fitted to stairs and landing last year.

Tenants offered to pay extra deposit and puppy proof the flat with covers for floors etc. What annoys me is their text saying they are planning to get a puppy instead of asking whether it’s possible. It clearly states in their tenancy contract that no pets allowed unless landlord gives consent.

I told them I have a think. I don’t want the hassle of any damage or smell to flat from a dog once they leave, offer deposit or not.

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IdblowJonSnow · 23/10/2020 09:02

Children don't (generally) chew door frames, carpets, scratch at doors and bark all day.
I get that kids can be a pita in flats but I've seen dogs utterly destroy homes. Not really comparable in that way. And op did say she has new carpets.
There are other places people can live if they want to get pets.

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GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 23/10/2020 10:12

I love dogs, but in flat with no garden, absolutely not.

Not that I’m altogether anti pets - as a LL myself I’ve allowed 2 cats with no problems, but there’s a small, safe garden for them. I wouldn’t have allowed indoor cats because I don’t agree with them - IMO it’s cruel and unnatural.
I know many will disagree, but I’m unshakeable on this.

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MissSmith80 · 23/10/2020 21:24

@Mummyoflittledragon thanks for this and no, I have no intention of asking her to do either of these things, as you say, it's been rented now for years and so I'd expect to have to replace carpets and decorate soon anyway but I was trying to use it to demonstrate that there are wonderful, respectful tenants who appreciate what a good landlady/tenant relationship can be like.

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Mummyoflittledragon · 23/10/2020 21:43

MissSmith
Ok cool... Yes, I agree, there are some great tenants out there.

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Butterfly44 · 24/10/2020 09:43

Yes they can leave now if they like. No you you don't refund anything as it's a 6 month minimum. A contract is legally binding. They can take it up with the courts if they think it's 'wrong' It's black and white about pets in your contract. The fact they wrote to tell you about puppy shows they know they needed to get landlord permission.
You rent a place that's suitable for your needs. So if you're a pet lover and plan on that - rent a place that accepts pets. It's quite simple. People do the same when going on holiday and it's accepted. Renting is a no different.

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ThisAintLegit · 24/10/2020 09:50

I have allowed a woman with two cats rent a small ground floor flat with just window access to the garden. I allowed it because she had good references and the flat is painted and clean with new bathroom, but needs a good refurb at some point. The place was immaculate when she and kitties left. But it would be a big no to a puppy!!

On the point of references, please be honest. I know my agent gets the real reference verbally when there has been an agent involved but it harder when it's out of town, or direct with a landlord. I had one nightmare set of tenants I wouldn't want anyone to ever rent to, and would be clear about that.

Ps change the locks when they leave!

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Penyu · 24/10/2020 12:19

Op, I just wanted to let you know about my experiences as well... Your have had great advice from the landlord perspective on this thread already.

I will be FOREVER thankful to my landlords and also agent who allowed me to move to my flat with my pets and dc earlier in the year at the height of the pandemic.
We had an international move, new job etc and I am a single parent.
If we hadn't have been able to bring the pets, I don't know what we would have done... Total nightmare, on top of an already hideous situation.

I am keeping the property in pristine condition, perfect tenant and intend to stay that way! If there is any damage, and I doubt there will be, I will make it right. Fair enough, not all tenants obviously have that attitude, but I do. And I know I'm not alone.

The flat is not perfect for us long term, but I am very grateful that they trusted me. It will be perfect for the year.
Don't automatically discount future tenants with older pets (fair enough on the puppy though)... I think I'm a pretty good tenant under these crazy circumstances.

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Butterfly44 · 25/10/2020 15:35

@Penyu What happened is you moved into a flat where the landlord accepted pets. No doubt there are other properties that were available that would not accept pets.

There are various reasons properties stare 'no pets' such as suitability/higher landlord insurance/leasehold clauses/allergies/religious reasons and not wanting their possessions damaged.

Plenty of holiday homes state no pets as well as no children. You choose according to circumstances.

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WombatChocolate · 25/10/2020 18:08

I don’t really understand the argument that rental properties should be available to tenants with pets as a matter of course.
Pets, quite simply increase the risk of damage. This isn’t saying the tenant pet owners intend to create damage, but the nicest, most well-intentioned tenant can have a dog (or to lesser extent cats) who creates damage which is beyond the deposit which is allowed these days or which creates extra work for landlords which isn’t immediately visible when they leave.
The kind of damage/impact which no tenant can guarantee 100% that their pet wo t create includes;
-damage to woodwork (doors or skirting or cupboards) through chewing or scratching

  • damage to carpets of flooring via scratching or urine or faeces or fleas
  • damage to soft furnishings via the above

-damage to gardens via chewing or digging
  • upset to neighbours via noise or digging etc


As both owner occupiers and renters know, pets can be unpredictable. With new pets, puppies will always have phases of chewing or doi g damage. A new adult pet is an unknown quantity and it’s behaviour cannot be guaranteed by any human. Even a well known adult pet can be unpredictable and finding itself in a new home can cause damage which the owner did not expect. Even let’s which do t cause damage create smells, have fleas intermittently and in old age might have accidents. The very best owners cannot present these things gs ever happening.

As owners of dogs and cats know, sometimes these costs can be significant. New carpets or flooring I think might be needed (exceeding deposit) if floors are dirty or infested or damaged. Even small bits of repair to woodwork can swallow the deposit and then more. There is all the cost plus all the inconvenience of sorting g these jobs out too.

So the point is that with the current system of deposits which have strict limits on them, and the fact that retaining money from deposits is increasingly difficult, many many landlords who have allowed pets find themselves out of pocket and significantly inconvenienced. Is anyone really arguing that tenants so-called entitlement to enjoy pets should be at the financial cost and inconvenience of landlords?....ie landlords should be willing to foot bills which exceed the deposit and face the inconvenience and loss of rent of the property sitting un let after a tenant vacates, while the work is sorted out? Surely not. But in the current situation this is the reality as lots of landlords report.

The trouble is, who can say for certain which pets will be totally reliable or not cause any damage to the property? No one can really. Tenants can be referenced and credit checked (not perfect processes but at least some help) and even if they have kept a pet well previously or a different pet, no one can say for certain how the pet might behave in a different environment or, more importantly how a different pet will behave. There is so much uncertainty that a landlord faces and a tenant cannot give guarantees on.

No tenant wants their pet to wee on the carpet constantly and they might try to stop them doing it.....but once it’s happened, the whole flat might be need recarpetting. No tenant intend the dogs to chew the skirting boards and dig the carpet where the door is closed, but once done, these cost vast sums to fix. And how often does the deposit cover this fully or the landlord manage to get all of the cost (to also cover inconvenience) from the tenant....not often. So it’s hardly surprising landlords are reluctant and insurers have clauses excluding pets as mortgage lenders might too. They simply can’t cover the risk. And it doesn’t matter if one individual is a great pet owner....because it is pretty much impossible to verify that. The risk is very much present.

Add in the people who seem to think a flat might suit a dog, when there is no direct access to a private garden and you’ve got further nuisance to other tenants.

The only way it seems to me that more pets owning tenants can get what they want are for the government to significantly increase the deposits for such properties and have systems which mean landlords really can claim for pet damage and cleaning on them, plus tenants are prepared to fork out. Stronger referencing is needed but to be honest it’s impossible to reference a pet. Even the best pet owner with great previous pet owning experience might have a dog that behaves strangely one day or get a new pet that behaves differently....the risks are so much more difficult to mitigate against. As a tenant with dogs, I just couldn’t say with absolute certainty that my dogs would never cause damage.

And so for these reasons, I think landlords will resist pets. It’s not to be mean but it’s because it is really difficult to make properly informed decisions about individual tenants and their pets....and so many have been stung.
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