Vendors want to vacate at 4pm, contract states 1.30pm

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First time buyers.

The EA "house move manager" range dh and tried to pull a fast one, frankly - I have been dealing with the house purchase and they have consistently rang dh instead of me to get him to agree to things. Argh.

Anyway, they had him agree to a 4pm move out time on completion day which is several hours later than what the contract states. The move manager has now tried to make me seem the unreasonable one as I won't allow them that "bit of extra time to clear their things". I reminded her that once the funds cleared, the property is no longer theirs and we would be held liable for any damage or injuries on the premises. I'm not trying to be difficult, but I do expect the vendors to hold to what they've signed.

Aside from that, why should we be the ones to allow them extra time? What about our time, isn't it equally valuable? Waiting around with our things until 4pm - or later, I could see an extension on the time limit happening - is decidedly inconvenient.

Dh doesn't want any hassle with the vendors, but I don't think I'm wrong in being hard-nosed about this, am I?

Ask if it's OK for you guys to come around earlier for measurements And stuff like that. Our sellers had no problem

We areoving most things over the next couple of days rather than the day itself, so technically there isn't a rush, this is true.

I was mostly concerned about being liable for damages or injuries on the premises. My impatience sort of took over the thread.

just tell your dh to block their number.
FWIW, we have rarely gained access to house at time stated on contract and have bought several in our time.
You could always start moving your things in whilst they are moving out, it will hurry them a bit.
I have done this before too, when they were being slow or uncooperative with time.

Sorry reading, hadn't realised it was you - a fellow Buyers Support thread veteran here!

No worries. :) I didn't want to take over the thread.

Take a deep breath, you'll get there!

Ha, I've hidden it for a bit - our exchange is taking forever and I don't want to be reminded of that!

Thanks dolly - it feels impossible some days!

I hope exchange happens quickly, scribble. I know how you feel about not wanting a reminder.

I once had a purchase that took 10 months to go through!
I personally phoned every solicitor in the chain(5) every other day for the last month.

Ten months! I would be dying. I need to stop complaining so much, clearly!

Contracts aren't just for little people and it is perfectly possible to be out by midday. You get access when the money clears.

If you have an overlap, turn up when the money clears and see what is happening , as youve had the pissing about warning. Bring kit to,change the locks.

They need to be out by the agreed time.

There is usually a time specified in the Contract. It's at the back under Special Conditions...... but.......... it's an indication that this is the agreed time for the transfer of monies between the banks/solicitors, not a time that the buyer has to be in. Because of the banks/lenders clearing times, any monies received too late before the cut off clearing time (3.30 pm) means you won't complete that day and would be in breach of contract. If there is a related sale (as there would be for people further up the chain) the time is often later, i.e. 2 pm, because monies have to come in from the sale and go out again for the purchase.

Obviously you have realised that you are being a bit unrealistic. On completion day, all the people in your chain will be loading their belongings into removal vehicles in order to vacate their properties. Some people have lots of stuff, some people do the removals themselves and obviously your vendors think dismantling a shed on completion day is acceptable - however if they struggle to remove their furniture quickly chances are they may leave the shed so could be a win win for you! Unfortunately, if they are not ready to vacate early, they are unlikely to pass the keys to the EA and so you will not be able to get in (you could camp outside while waiting - might jiffy them up a bit). But, you're in a great position in that you have no pressing need to be in early other than being impatient, another couple of hours is nothing.

When I moved out of my house, my buyer's were camped out in the road waiting impatiently. We had worked as quickly as possible but the removal company didn't provide a big enough lorry and so some stuff had to be left for later. It was an extremely stressful day and we ended up loading as much stuff into our cars as we could, leaving the rest on the drive so the buyers could move in - the result of that was that I didn't leave my house in as clean condition as I would have liked and I still feel embarrassed about that.

people need to sort themselves out. If they have lots of stuff, they need to get the removers early or get most of it shifted the day before and camp/go to a hotel the last night.

our removers arrived at 6:30am and were on the road by 9. We didn't have a colossal amount (still a full lorry, and we'd packed it all over the previous 2 weeks) but there was a long journey involved hence the early start. Hard work for them and us - but that''s house moving for you. Nothing anyone can't handle.

there is NO excuse for not taking the special shed down earlier.

Yes, the shed thing baffles me.

WTF no YANBU: why can't they take their fucking shed down earlier? Bellendius Maximus

It has crossed my mind this might be aimed at getting you to pay for the shed. What have they got in there that can't be packed up? Is there a garage?

No garage, just a carport. The shed is quite large, but when we went to view the house we saw the shed contents and it was just bits of gardening equipment and things. Nothing big.

We wouldn't pay if asked, but I would be quite shocked if they did - they are leaving the range cooker behind without charging and that's worth a fair bit more than a shed as far as I know.

They have lived in this house for 20-odd years so in many ways they are as clueless as first time buyers (us). They might genuinely believe they can do it all in one day. Ha! I might be offering to help pull it down in the day just to get things moving faster....

We bought from vendors who had been in the house for over thirty years and have been away a lot over more event years. They totally underestimated how big a job they had to clear the place. If I go into detail it will out me, but needless to say, we got more than we bargained for!

on the road by 9am......Hard work for them and us - but that''s house moving for you. Nothing anyone can't handle.

That's a stonking big generalisation.

What people can handle varies quite a bit.

Yanbu but at the same time I would relax a bit about it.

In reality what are you going to do if they are not out by 12.30 or whenever? Because there is actually chuff all you can do. When we bought our first home we were the ones waiting on the kerb whilst a series of disasters unfolded. If we had known we would just have come the next day rather than wasting a day off work. One of our other moves it was our disaster. Luckily we sold to ftB who were not coming round til the evening.

If you are in rented I would just not make a drama out of a crisis. Get your solicitors to change the time in the contract and emphasise vacant possession and you will be recouping the cost of disposing of anything left behind.

If it's just the shed that's the problem, could you agree to vacant possession of the house at the contracted time, but be a little more flexible on garden access?

I think I've resigned myself to not being able to sleep in the house the first night. Boo! I really hate where we are living and am chomping at the bit to get out from under this roof. Ah well.

I like to think I'm an agreeable sort of person so I will do my best to live up to that on the day.

If you're in rented and aren't going to be moving that day what really is the issue. If you're at the ottos of a chain your funds may not have moved by 1.30 anyway.