School strikes: what's the consequences?

[Michaelsmummy2016]

Serious question: what is the consequence of children missing a vital day of education through strikes/ votes etc to schools/ teachers? In the same way as me allowing a day off for something?

[Spottytop1]

Your question has been answered several times but as you appear to want different answers to what has been given you are choosing to ignore them!

[AllPowerfulLizardPerson]

"There is so much narrow mindedness"

What, in not responding to a wholly hypothetical comparison that is so unrealistic that the whole cohort unauthorised day/s off might as well be to a unicorn petting zoo?

[abbsismyhero]

When my sons school teacher took part in a strike he lost his attendance bonus and could not take part in the end of year treat

[LottieDoubtie]

'Broaden your demographic' are you suggesting we are very stupid?

Because, you know, that's quite rude just because you are being disagreed with.

[LottieDoubtie]

One parent and their family reasons are simply NOT equal to the action of a teaching Union no.

And parents are not routinely fined for ONE day out of education either - you are comparing a day with a week.

If the needs of every parent in the class were so closely aligned that with prior warning they took their children out of school on one single day then I suppose the 'consequences' would be similar- a day lost, staff working hard to catch the children up, some extra curricular stuff going by the wayside as a result.

But since that situation so do hypothetical as to be ridiculous it isn't really legislated for. Does that help?

[Michaelsmummy2016]

Inequality is relevant to me. Ahh well politics and debates, it's all an illusion. I think I'll leave it there. I may need to broaden my demographic.

[ilovesooty]

It isn't the same thing.
Inequality simply isn't relevant.

[Michaelsmummy2016]

Aha but that is my point 'their own reasons'... No ones reasons can automatically be deemed more important than anyone else's reasons opinions beliefs. The outcome for the child is the same. They did not receive education on that day. Who is accountable?

[HopeClearwater]

My god - one missed day!! Look at when they called the action for this year - in July, no public exams affected, no preparation for Sats or GCSEs etc affected. It's minimal. Have you got some kind of a problem with unions and collective bargaining?

[Rainuntilseptember]

A school being closed as they cannot provide a service due to staff industrial action simply isn't the same as a parent choosing not to use that service for their own reasons.

[Michaelsmummy2016]

Also just a note I am not suggesting teachers be criminalised either.

[Michaelsmummy2016]

Why would my reasons not be as important as anyone else's though? There is so much narrow mindedness. And judgement. Aggression and assumption. And I will say once again not once have I blamed teachers schools or in fact unions for any one single thing. Or disagreed with anyone's reasons. Pure defensiveness is all I am reading in these replies with not one be person actually considering the issue from the point of view that a missed day is a missed day - and if one group of people (parents) are criminalised for that then surely when the shoe is on someone's foot that should stand. No one seems able to grasp that concept. I suppos it is hard to accept what you feel is the right thing to do being challenged and criminalised. I am simply commenting on the inequality of it without laying blame at anyone's door. You are absolutely right this does need to be taken up with government.

[Wolfiefan]

Daily Fail reporter?! Odd thread.

[Rainuntilseptember]

I don't get the talk of equality.
It's similar to the way pupils sometimes talk "how do you get to wear what you want to school when I have to wear uniform ? Etc.

[HopeClearwater]

The reasons matter.

And as has already been pointed out, a bunch of parents are never going to get together and all take their kids out for the same week. So - not the same. Teachers hate the fines on parents. So alienating.

You try doing the job anyway. You'll get paid far, far less than in accounting for a damn sight more work. Why do you think teachers are leaving the profession? They're all suddenly lazy? Where I live, the headteachers are desperate for staff. But the pay is much too low compared to the housing costs round here and the working conditions are crap. Look to successive governments for the root of the problem, not to the teaching unions.

[ilovesooty]

Of course it's not the same thing.

[Michaelsmummy2016]

It is for vastly different reasons but has the exact same outcome.

[Michaelsmummy2016]

i believe it is the same thing.

[HopeClearwater]

There being consequences to parents but no consequences to teachers/ schools for what is essentially the same thing.

It's not the same thing though, as many pp have pointed out to you. It seems to be you who does not understand English.

[Michaelsmummy2016]

And just to clarify I have never been fined. If I did take my child out of school and i was fined I would pay it without hesitation as I don't disagree with it. My son has had 2 days off school since September: one for a back injury and one because of striking. He is in top sets for all his subjects has never had a detention and does his homework with full support from me and my husband on the day he receives it. We both have full time professional jobs ( he as a chartered accountant me as an account manager for a finance company) so you are preaching to the converted on the importance of education. If your defensiveness is representative of the teaching profession then we have bigger problems than I first thought.

[Lilly948204]

Ps, don't bother writing another insulting reply I won't be checking this thread again as I have more important things to do :-)

[Lilly948204]

You said you presumed there are no consequences for teachers and schools, I have highlighted that there are (see above.)

You said why should parents have consequences - because this impacts your child's education and the education of your future grandchildren. You should be shouting as loud as we are - but as far as I can see you're just trying to make things more difficult for the teachers. Sorry if I got this wrong but your post has come across very hostile.

I'm not sure how else I can help you, you have picked up on the smallest phrase as a means to sack me without actually knowing anything about my teaching ability! And have then said that I can't read. I'll take this as a sign that you have lost the argument and are simply throwing insults around now. It would be fairly funny if I actually teach your child. I guess we will never know 😁

[Michaelsmummy2016]

You obviously cannot read English.

[Lilly948204]

You seem to be struggling with what this word means so I thought I would put the definition up to help you out.

Consequence - a result or effect, typically one that is unwelcome or unpleasant.

Teachers - lose a day's pay, have extra work to do to make sure your child doesn't fall behind, gets stupid posts like this written about them on mumsnet

Schools - if they stay open like mine did then they have big staffing costs getting cover teachers in so parents like you don't winge because your free childcare has gone. 😭

Children - get a day off school, don't fall behind in work because teacher get them caught up.

Parents - OMG I have to be responsible for my child for a few more hours, it's so annoying, why do teachers do this? I don't care how my kid does in school or the education the government is providing for him and his future children and and children I just want him out of the house between 9-3 so I don't need to pay for childcare.

[Michaelsmummy2016]

As I mentioned earlier childcare is not an issue for me. I have not once said that I disagree with the strikes. Or the reasons for them. I can categorically say that I would be quite happy for the profession to lose a teacher who can come out with the term ' parents like you' and judge somebodys parenting based purely on the fact that one issue is being challenged. Not once have I blamed teachers or schools themselves for any consequence that parents face. I am purely just looking for information.