Yr4 teacher, Has she taken a dislike to Ds2?

[majafa]

Should i be worrying?
My son who has just turned 9 in the last few days, told me the week before last his teacher told him his maths work was 'wrong' and tore the page out.
Friday night (he handed his homework in on wednesday)at tea time, he said the teacher has put everyones home work on the wall except his, I asked if he was sure and he said yes,it may well be tht he missed it and taht it is there.
The thing is his brother, Ds1, was always in trouble at this school and I know for a fact this particular teacher didnt like him, Thankfully she never taught him,
But Im starting to wonder if she's going to tar Ds2 with the same brush as it were?
I dont want to go in and start accusing her of anything, So do I leave it and just keep a note in case there is 'a next time'?
MN's opinions/experiance appreciated.

[alicatte]

Some teachers I have known did tear work out of books so that the child could have a book they could be proud of.

Personally I have never done this because I feel the implied criticism is too severe for primary children.

But the teachers I know who did (and still do) this did not mean it unkindly. I realise that sound amazing but honestly some teachers see it as giving the child an opportunity for a clean start.

I would try to explain it to your child and just keep watch over the situation.

[Barbeasty]

Why tear a page out? Why not just tell him to do the work again?

My brother is left handed, and his teacher wouldn't let him use a line-sheet behind the blank paper when writing up some work for a display. When it came back with the writing sloping up the page she held it up in front of the class, said how rubbish it was and then tore it up. It took him years to get over that, and in fairness is was just one incident in a year with a teacher who was very polarised as to whether she liked pupils or not.

It's one thing to tear your own work out of a book if you are not satisfied, but for a teacher to do it with criticism.... How about using it to point out where he has gone wrong- learning from mistakes?

And while we're about it, yes his work might not be on display because it's incomplete, but obviously the OP's DS doesn't understand this so maybe the teacher should be making sure everybody understands.

I would be making a note of the incidents, asking about the work on the wall, and if anything else happens maybe start by having a quiet word with the teacher about how she is making your son feel, using specific examples.

[majafa]

I too, am reasonabley experianced in child care, I was NNEB trained many moons ago. I have worked as an Outreach Youth Worker again many moons ago, Ive nannied, been a School Govenor at my DS's school,volantary work in said school, and as an LSA in said school, Im now a registered childminder trying to finish my DHBC.
Im not one those parents, who go into school every day with some imagined slight against my child,
I recognise what a good job most of them do and the work they have to put in to teaching, and how infuriating some kids can be.
All I can think is prehaps, SE13, this is what she did and didnt explain properly why she tore the page out, to DS2?

Teacher401 - 'Get a grip' oh please!!!
he was upset, couldnt understand, (apart from the fact she told him he'd done something wrong) why she tore his work out his book? Why not just send the child off to do it again. I think its a bit drastic. And prehaps not the best way of dealing with the situation.

[SE13Mummy]

I think lovecheese's response to a possibly torn out page is rather OTT... I sometimes tear pages out of children's books; not in anger or as a way of ridiculing a child but as a way of offering them a completely fresh start. For some children having a completely wrong, "I wasn't thinking/listening/following instructions' moment might be the end of the world and so having a glaringly obvious reminder of this upsets them. Sometimes I let them glue two pages together but I don't think either is a reason for a pupil's parent to come charging up to the school to demand that the Head be involved in it!

[mumbar]

I remember when we use to do 'bad' work ie could do better and teacher would put a huge red cross through it and make us start again!!! It was always their as a reminder of our laziness - and usually never repeated

Think the work on the wall needs clarification though.

[Teacher401]

Complaining about pages being torn out haha! Get a grip seriously!! Have you never done anything wrong and torn out a page or threw a piece of paper away?

Teachers often have the books of children monitored and if the work on the page is rubbish then I have torn out pages in the past. I've also done this when a child has scribbled/doodled all over a page or done all sorts of things. I know lots of others who have as well.

[mumbar]

I'm an LSA and experienced working in schools and never thought I'd see a teacher 'pick' on a child.

It has/is happening to my DS. I thought it was my imagination, personality clash with her and DS until I discovered a mum who had moved her DD from the other local school (1mile away) due to this teacher. Not a small deal as 2 of her other DC's were also in this school.

DS had her this afternoon and guess what - he got into trouble again - his discription of it it seems like no biggy (silly opposed to naughty iyswim) and she told him she'd get the class teacher to ring me. DS has been worried all evening about it. Even my mum who's been a teacher for 35 years and defends teachers to the halt offered to have him the last week of last term as his teacher was on maternity and he had this teacher and she thought he'd have a crap week.

I would speak to the head and be firm - yes they'll defend their staff but they have a bigger duty of care to your DS and his well-being.

[majafa]

Not a good example on how to treat your books/possesions or other peoples possesions IMO -
I think I may leave it this time and see what happens, if anything, It could be just my overactive imagination seeing things that are not there.

[lovecheese]

majafa, just re-read your post; if one of my childrens' teachers had ripped out a page of their work in front of them I would be up at the school demanding to see him/her and the HT - that is completely unacceptable behaviour. Poor child.

[majafa]

Fotunatley his behaviour at school is good, he does tend to be on another planet at home sometimes however, at school, I dont know, the same possibly, not that Ive had any other teacher comment on it!
His home work was to draw and discribe a sculpture, he drew a stone African Elephant we have sitting next to our fire place, thnking about it he didnt describe it as such, more that he labled it {sad] my thought I guess for not reading his home work spec properly?
Ive also noticed that the 1st weeks home work has LATE in big red pen written on it, and no comment to the note I put with regards to that weeks homework.
Yes it was late, again I guess my fault he handeded it in a day late.
It was handed in tho, I know a few parents in that class that dont bother with homework.
Im just worried she is going to tar him with the same brush I guess, to my unexperianced eye this is what it looks like

[SE13Mummy]

It does seem a bit strange that the teacher would deliberately omit one child's homework from the display! Did he definitely put it in the correct place/handing in tray/whatever? I think I'd encourage him to ask the teacher whereabouts his work is e.g. "Miss X please could you show me where my maths work is on the display because I can't find it." He could always blame it on you and say, "Miss X, I told Mum that you'd put everyone's work on display except mine. She said I was being silly and that I should ask you to show me where it was...".

I'm a Y4 teacher and if I' putting work on display I will use everything that is finished. At the moment I have an incomplete display because some children haven't finished their work - they have had to explain to their parents (who came into the classroom last week) why their work was missing. It may be that your DS hadn't done something particular e.g. use a ruler to draw lines, written the date or something which is why it's missing. I wouldn't immediately assume that it's because the teacher dislikes your child.

[nonicknamemum]

I think at the moment I would adopt a "wait and see" approach, but make a note of any incidents, so that you can refer to specifics if the need arises. Is your DS2's behaviour at school generally good, or have teachers raised issues about his behaviour in the past?