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Can't handle this behaviour from my tween

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iHeartTheoJames · 22/06/2013 12:49

DD has always been strong minded but as she's got older her behaviour has been harder and harder to handle

I am going to try and bullet point it so it's clearer to read

She is condescending - "what are you getting upset over now?" "What have you lost now?"

Constant put downs, every dinner time she finds something to criticise, little put downs all the time, it's like she tries and make me earn her approval

The meals I cook have got to be her liking

She doesn't approve of my shopping "What did you buy this jam for?"

She steals and lies and then does elaborate theatrics to cover her tracks

Rude "I want you to wear your hair down, you look ugly with your hair up"

Nice as pie when she wants something, couldn't give a F* when she doesn't.

She is vindictive and lies to get me in trouble if I have done something that displeases her. She has almost got me in big trouble in the past with her fairytales

Constantly angry and resentful

An incredibly huge sense of entitlement

Does chores under duress. I ask her to please tidy the lounge for me and she tells me she has to do everything 'round here'. If I ask her to do something she tells me I do nothing and she has to do all the housework, doesn't answer when I pull her up on the inaccuracy of that. Any chores done, or cups of tea made, are remembered so she can then tell me how much she does for me

I find myself feeling so grateful during the short periods when she is sweet and nice. Find myself feeling so grateful when she considers other people apart from herself as it's such a rarity.

Is as sweet as sugar at school and with friends. I constantly get told what an angel she is!

Is this normal tween behaviour and am I just being over sensitive? If not, how on earth do I deal with this? I have tried 213 magic (which has improved things but there's still a long way to go) and also methods I read about in a book about strong willed children, but she's still so rude, lazy and entitled!

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valiumredhead · 23/06/2013 11:13

I don't shout either, they see it as a chink in your armourWink

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RhondaJean · 23/06/2013 11:15

My dd1 was starting to exhibit some of those behaviours a few years ago. I tried all sorts of things and then one Saturday when I had had enough I sent her to MY room.

No nice posters and books, no music, nothing interesting to do, four hours of sitting thinking about her behaviour.

I swear, nothing else worked like that. She is almost 14 and she still mentions it, it was a flash of brief parenting genius on my parent. Obviously different things work with different children but I thought I would share!

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iHeartTheoJames · 23/06/2013 11:15

ignoring doesn't work, she is incredibly stubborn, she won't back down just by being ignored

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iHeartTheoJames · 23/06/2013 11:21

Thanks Rhonda, but she wouldn't go, just told her to go to her room and she refused then ignored me.

Maybe once I start making some headway, and she starts doing as she's told that will be an option

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CrabbyBigBottom · 23/06/2013 11:24

Looks like I'm not such a nasty, mean mummy after all. Wink

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clam · 23/06/2013 11:26

Is there anything nice on the horizon that she's looking forward to doing? Pick some low-key things that you can casually mention that look like they won't be happening (not talking major events that you've already paid for or that would adversely affect others if she didn't go or that you wouldn't have the balls to carry through a ban on).

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Madamecastafiore · 23/06/2013 11:33

Just refuse to get riled. Tell her clearly that her possessions will remain yours until she bucks her ideas up and does as she is told. Then say nothing. Do not expand. Do not speak to her. Act as though she is not there at all.

When she is freaking out just carry in doing whatever it was when she started creaking and ignore it. Dd had a meltdown once and I stuck earphones in and danced around the kit hen with my eyes closed, proper 'throwing some shapes' Grin. She was flabbergasted, was so so angry, I was just really amused.

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Madamecastafiore · 23/06/2013 11:34

Oh and taking fuses out if fuse box is excellent way to control teens.

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clam · 23/06/2013 11:34

And re: the "professionals" who advised you to listen to her, I think sometimes that sort of advice can get lost in translation. By all means listen, of course we must. BUT, say "I'm not going to talk whilst you're shouting, we'll discuss this later, when you've calmed down." Then, once the thunderstorm's passed and tempers have eased, hear their side of it, but re-iterate at every point that tantrums and rudeness will not be tolerated. Be pleasant about it, but stick to your guns, EVERY time the tone slips. "Now, THAT's rude. Do you want to try it again?"

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iHeartTheoJames · 23/06/2013 11:40

Clam, the professionals, as in the educational welfare officer asked DD what she wanted, DD reeled off a list and the EWO told me to give her all she wanted and then she would do as she was told. Knowing she had someone of authority onside made DD even worse.

Well, she's now thrown a tantrum, stomped off to her room, now she wants to go as she is choosing to not being told to, I am going to give her a little while to calm down and then will go up and try talking to her calmly

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clam · 23/06/2013 11:46

As long as talking calmly, for you, doesn't come across to her as appeasing.
No idea what your EWO was on!!! But then I don't know the context she was talking in. Mind you, I've heard some right nonsense from some of the behaviour support professionals over the years - some excellent stuff, but some nonsense too.

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valiumredhead · 23/06/2013 11:47

Give her all she wanted? Wtaf!!Shock

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valiumredhead · 23/06/2013 11:49

OP-let her come to you, don't go after her. If she's anything like my ds it fans the flames even more and he quite likes to trot out the line 'get out of my room!' In true Peggy Mitchell styleGrin

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BusterKeaton · 23/06/2013 11:54

Yes to valium. Why are going to her. Let her approach you. If she is calm, then engage; otherwise do not engage.

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iHeartTheoJames · 23/06/2013 11:59

She'd stay in her room for the rest of the day just resurfacing briefly to get food to avoid me given a chance.

I went up, left the contract and pen on her bed that she had thrown on the floor in the lounge when she threw her strop, and told her it was up to her whether she did it or not, but she wasn't going to earn her itouch and phone back until she did.

She's just come down nicely and asked about a pen so I assume she's going to finish copying it. Then reappeared and asked if I would get her some pens from the £1 shop, I told her calmly that she wasn't getting anything till her behaviour improved. She calmly disappeared again.

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clam · 23/06/2013 12:01

You go girl!! Grin

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Madamecastafiore · 23/06/2013 12:02

Feel power girl!!! Grin

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iHeartTheoJames · 23/06/2013 12:12

heehee it's feeling goooooood!! Grin

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BriansBrain · 23/06/2013 13:47

Ah a preteen section, I never knew!

DD is the most annoying creature known to man and also the loveliest person ever.

I'm a shouter and I hate it and it's not getting us very far

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Floggingmolly · 23/06/2013 13:53

Sorry, I haven't actually read the thread, but - who does she get you in trouble with???? Shock. You're giving her way too much power over you...

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MrsTomHardy · 23/06/2013 20:28

I'm a shouter too....I stay quiet for so long them I erupt...plus I have to shout to get my voice heard Sad

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kerala · 23/06/2013 21:22

Read a book called queen bees and wannabes. Chapter on types of parenting is interesting sounds like you need to move from "best friend" parent to "loving hard ass"
(American book but worth a read)

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Mabelface · 23/06/2013 23:14

I'm with crabby Smile

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cory · 24/06/2013 09:07

Ds went through a phase round age 11 where he displayed some similar tendencies. This is what we tried:

She is condescending - "what are you getting upset over now?" "What have you lost now?"

Very annoying this one- and ds hasn't quite grown out of it. The only thing, I find, is not to rise to it but calmly say "I am angry because you are not doing as you are told, the way to stop it is to go and do as I tell you now". But calmly. Or ignore his comments altogether but just keep insisting that he does as he's told.

Constant put downs, every dinner time she finds something to criticise, little put downs all the time, it's like she tries and make me earn her approval

The meals I cook have got to be her liking


I did (still do) a compromise of cooking a couple of meals a week that I know ds likes: the rest of the time I just ignore him. Maybe a firm "That will do" accompanied by a Paddintong Bear stare at unpleasant comments, but otherwise I didn't let myself be drawn into arguments. He wasn't going to starve, I had no reason to feel guilty, he could eat or not as he pleased, and if he didn't there would be more for me. Fortunately I'm a greedy pig so I can comfort myself with the thought that any well cooked meal is going to go where it's appreciated Grin

She doesn't approve of my shopping "What did you buy this jam for?"

I might say "well you can always make suggestions before I go shopping and we can take it in turns to have our preference". But then I would stop discussing it as chances are she is only using the jam as a pretext to take out her bad feelings on you.

She steals and lies and then does elaborate theatrics to cover her tracks

Very difficult and not sure I have an answer to this one.

Rude "I want you to wear your hair down, you look ugly with your hair up"

In ds' case it was my coat that wasn't up to his finicky standards. And he was embarrassed if I spoke English in public as that meant people could understand what I was saying. Hmm

I either ignored or used it to my advantage: "Oh you want me to walk down with you to such and such a place- well, it's a chilly day so I'll just grab my warm coat". And in no time at all ds would have shot out of the door with a hurried "It's all right, mum, I can get it myself" and I would be putting my feet up with a nice cup of coffee. Grin

Nice as pie when she wants something, couldn't give a F when she doesn't.

She is vindictive and lies to get me in trouble if I have done something that displeases her. She has almost got me in big trouble in the past with her fairytales*

Thankfully haven't had this one. Sounds very difficult. But if there is a big incident I would perhaps try to work on their sense of dignity and fear of loss of face and gently point out that people who tell silly tales don't do themselves any social favours. Don't overdo it though: fear of face loss is a big reason why they behave in this way; confident people are generally more pleasant.

Constantly angry and resentful

Tick. It seemed to get better when he started Yr 8 and got a better social life/started feeling a bit more confident.

An incredibly huge sense of entitlement

I find only time and patience works for this one. If you keep on not letting yourself feel guilty, not letting yourself be pushed into anything, but not letting yourself get riled either, she should gradually work out that being nasty and entitled doesn't get her anywhere.

"Does chores under duress."

Afraid that goes for most teens and pre-teens. Just keep applying the duress. Wink

"I find myself feeling so grateful during the short periods when she is sweet and nice. Find myself feeling so grateful when she considers other people apart from herself as it's such a rarity."

Don't. When you feel grateful, you are also focusing on her bad side and the resentment you feel, perpetuating the idea that being nasty is Who She Really Is. Try to stay a bit more neutral, taking any pleasant moment as something natural and normal. Then maybe in time she will come to think that being pleasant is natural and normal for her.

Is as sweet as sugar at school and with friends. I constantly get told what an angel she is!

I think this is a case of counting your blessings. You don't want to be constantly called into school because your dd is the school bully, the child who assaults teachers and cheeks the Ofsted inspector and is on the verge of exclusion. You really don't.

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CrabbyBigBottom · 25/06/2013 00:22

MadLizzy I'm not sure anyone's ever said that before. Thanks! Grin

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