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A week to go and doubting my decision :-(

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Tea1Sugar · 07/04/2014 19:48

A week tomorrow I'm due to have an ELCS and I'm rapidly questioning this decision.

In May 2010 I was induced at 40+9 and had a 3a tear. No forceps or ventouse. I was stitched in theatre immediately and told that the "3rd degree but was minimal". Stitches never healed. Three months later I went for a full restitch under GA and whilst under the consultant did a minor rectocele repair.

Fast forward to this pregnancy. I've been adamant I wanted a section, still scarred from the carnage of the last birth (also had PPH and MROP). I've discussed it with a consultant three times who has supported my decision and the consultant who did the repair surgery wrote in my discharge letter that a section should be granted.

But now, with 8 days to go I'm really questioning it. I'm petrified of the op, I mean totally and perhaps irrationally paralysed by fear. What would you all do? Try a vaginal birth with a very strict and concrete birth plan for if things show that tearing again is inevitable? Have the ELCS?

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Tranquilitybaby · 20/04/2014 11:35

Ah lovely news. Looking forward to hearing your birth story when you're upto it x

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MrsGiraffe12 · 20/04/2014 10:02

Congratulations tea fingers crossed the c section wasn't as bad as you were anticipating xx

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Tea1Sugar · 20/04/2014 06:36

Thank you for everyone's support and encouragement. Baby Emilia was born on 15/4/14 weighing 7lb 13oz. She's beautiful Smile

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PacificDogwood · 10/04/2014 22:20

I have been thinking of you today.
I hope you had a positive and productive meeting today and are feeling better about what lies ahead.

Thanks

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CheckpointCharlie · 08/04/2014 22:02

I had an episiotomy (ventouse) delivery first time after pushing for four hours (I have my birth notes as it was so traumatic) and I would like to assure you that my elective c-section gave me so much more control than another vaginal birth. I also have had a rectocele and cystocele and I know it was due to the first birth so god knows what state I would be in now if I had given birth 'naturally' again.

I can totally understand your apprehension but I didn't find the lochia any worse, but I did find it much more pleasurable and less stressful. Weird way to describe a major OP I know but it was, first time was a complete nightmare, second time (c-section) was brilliant.

Good luck.

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goestoshowyouthough · 08/04/2014 21:56

Just to add my experience into the mix, I had a 3rd deg tear first time round and after discussing with my consultant decided to go for the elcs for my second. She said it would be an enjoyable experience, and I thought she was mad. I was very scared indeed. But it was a truly wonderful experience for me, and my recovery was so much better than from the 3rd deg tear. I have nothing but lovely happy memories of my elcs and am so glad I chose it. If I ever have another baby I'll be going for the same again, no question.

I'm not sure if that is actually of any help to you, but the chances are it is going to be absolutely fine if you do go down that route.

I hope you manage to talk to someone who can help you feel good about whatever you decide to go for in the end.

Good luck x

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nevergoogle · 08/04/2014 21:50

so sorry my thread has panicked you further.

i don't regret the decision to have a c-section even after what happened. the risks of rupture for me were too high and the cardiac arrest may have happened regardless.

hope you get some support to help you with your decision.

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Wolfiefan · 08/04/2014 21:48

Oh Tea I do feel for you. Make that list of questions. Perhaps a second list of the top few things that worry you? Then work out how to minimise the worry. (Who could help you with DC after birth etc.)
Hoping we will soon hear of the safe arrival of little Tea and you will feel relieved. Xx

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PacificDogwood · 08/04/2014 21:42

Ah, Tea, you poor thing - I hope you find a way to get your head around this.

Speak to the most senior medical person available to you - somebody whose judgement you trust.
The numbers quoted in studies vary so much because there are so many variables to consider.
Also, risk preparedness does vary from consultant to consultant, so they can only discuss statistics for you, maybe make a recommendation, but they (IMO) won't tell you what to do.

Just to add to the positive CS stories: I had what technically was termed an 'emergency' CS ('emergency' as it was not planned, but there was 6 hours between decision to deliver and DS2's arrival, so everything was nice and calm). The numbness from the spinal was weird (I've compared notes with my dad in the meantime who had one for his prostate surgery Grin and agreed it was a v strange sensation. To have no sensation, I mean..), but there was no pain at all. DS2 was out v quickly, the stitching up took longer. I had a catheter in my bladder which I did not mind at all. DS2 was whisked off to SCBU (he was 9 weeks premature) and I was transferred to the ward. I had a 'patient controlled analgesia' pump with morphine which worked a treat for pain, shame that opiates make me itch (just like in the Pink song Grin). I was glad to be rid of it the next day, I had Paracetamol and Diclofenac for a few days, then nothing. Pain was really not a huge issue for me although sensation around my scar was not quite right for about a year; no pain, just odd.

WRT to incontinence in later life: Pregnancy is an independent risk factor for incontinence, often many years after delivery; the mode of delivery can make a difference, but women who have only ever had CSs also get incontinence. Having said that, listen to what your consultant has to say and if you like/trust them, go with that. I also think that you reached the decision for elCS after due consideration and may have got yourself in to a bit of a tizzy right now - if I'm wrong, tell me to get lost Wink.

I hope you have a fruitful meeting with consultant and that you can approach meeting your baby in a more peaceful frame of mind.
ThanksCakeWine

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weebigmamma · 08/04/2014 21:18

I've just been for my section clerking-in/admin appointment. It really made me feel much more relaxed about everything. As I went to speak to the doctor I walked past the recovery room- lots of happy mums tucked up with their little babies! The doctor was lovely and very reassuring indeed. I hope you will feel better about it all soon. xxx

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slithytove · 08/04/2014 21:05

tea google natural caesareans, positive caesarean stories, and natal hypnotherapy for a section, it will really help. I think you have made the right decision and compared to what you went through last time, I believe an elcs will be a breeze. X

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StarsInTheNightSky · 08/04/2014 20:46

Tea sending unmumsnetty hugs x.

If I were you I'd go for the ELCS, you made the decision after a lot of thought, I think changing your mind now would probably be down to nerves and not the rational/logical choice which you thought was best when you thought about it objectively. I think you should trust yourself and trust your original decision.

I'm having an ELCS in seven weeks, and I have had moments of wondering whether I'm doing the right thing, I think that's only natural when you choose to have major surgery, but I'm sticking to my guns as I know that when I made the decision I'd considered it thoroughly and objectively, and any doubt now is just irrational nerves for me. In my case though I completely go to pieces when I think of vaginal birth, so I have that reassurance that I'm doing the right thing too.

At the end of the day though you have to do what's right for you, but whichever you choose, try and make sure you are choosing what's right for you, and not a knee-jerk reaction to nerves. Hope you're ok xxx.

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Tea1Sugar · 08/04/2014 19:53

I've been in tears over this practically all day. I wish someone could just choose for me.

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Atbeckandcall · 08/04/2014 07:46

I can only tell you my experience of ELCS, it's not a scary story either.

The spinal block was incredibly weird but within 7 hours I was up and walking about with very little difficulty.

The procedure itself is really quite quick. Within 3 minutes of the surgeon being in the room, I was saying hello to my dd!! Everything else just went by rather quickly because I was concentrating on so much.

My bleeding wasn't as bad as I thought it would be (I did suffer from horrendous periods though). And the recovery really wasn't too bad at all. In fact I had a few friends that had very normal vaginal births and they took longer to recover than me.

After the anaesthetic and the suppository wore off, I took paracetamol and diclafenic (don't know about the spelling in that one but it's an anti-inflammatory) until dd was 4 days old and then just paracetamol for 2 days after that. To be honest I didn't really need then but DH was insisting I followed MW advice to the letter.

Good luck with everything, and whatever you choose won't be the wrong decision because you'll be choosing what is right for you.

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weebigmamma · 08/04/2014 07:39

(Oh, and then I had another consultant who said 'Yes, it's a good idea for you to have a section- you have to be realistic and you don't want the tear to happen again.' LOL- do they ever talk to one another??)

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weebigmamma · 08/04/2014 07:38

Yes I found that too. My consultants told me there was NO increased risk but I wasn't convinced at all when I looked into it. Besides which, a friend of mine in her 50's has just developed double incontinence and has been told that tears sustained during childbirth years ago were the cause. No way am I risking that. Good luck! We will be fine! Mine is tomorrow- yikes! :-)

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Tea1Sugar · 08/04/2014 07:26

Thanks all. I spoke to my midwife friend yesterday and she thinks for me, an elective section will be safer as any pushing would undo the restitch and prolapse repair. The consultant only does clinics on Thursdays so will call today and try and get an appt, otherwise I've got my pre-op on Friday so will go armed with a stock of questions. I've tried to research statistics of he incidence of severe tearing again after a 3rd or 4th degree and I'm finding anything from 5-75%!

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Tranquilitybaby · 07/04/2014 23:42

You don't have to have a section, your next birth might well be much more positive. You need to speak to your midwife and see if you can get an urgent appointment with your consultabt to discuss things again, especially your obvious fears.

Do you have good support for the birth, partner, parent, or doula etc?

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Onelittlepiglet · 07/04/2014 23:39

I had a third degree tear the first time round - complete shock to me as it was a scenario I had not thought about or planned for. I was whisked off to theatre not long after dd was born (although did get to hold her and cuddle her etc while they were debating if it was a second or third degree tear!). I had a spinal block and was stitched up in theatre. I healed well but it took a long time (and I mean over a year) to feel 'ok' or anywhere near normal.

Most of what I found traumatic was the unknown. I just didn't know what was happening. I was high on adrenaline of having a baby but felt completely out of control and what I thought would happen after giving birth.

I'm now 33 weeks pregnant and am planning on having a vaginal birth. I have discussed it at length and want to do it again as it doesn't mean it will happen again, I feel I know what to expect and also know that i probably pushed too hard and she shot out of me which is why i tore! I considered an ELCS but actually felt more scared about that than a vaginal birth - I think because I have done it once so know what it is like whereas I don't know what a ELCS is like.

But that is me. I think you have to sit and really think about what you want. Not what you think you should want or what you would want in an ideal world, but what you feel most comfortable with in this situation.

Good luck and I hope whatever you decide it all goes well! Smile

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Beautifulboy1 · 07/04/2014 22:10

Hey Tea, after 40 hours labour with DS1 I was taken for an ECS due to failure to progress and like you I was petrified as I had never even had so much as a tooth out! All I can say is if I could take the worry away from you I would as there really is no need to worry. The bleeding afterwards is a lot less than a natural pregnancy as they remove most during the procedure, plus I was on my feet a few hours after the op.

I have to say and sorry for TMI but the worst part for me was the extra "wind" post op, apparently they pump a bit of air in so trapped wind is very common.

As for feeling out of control I think regardless of what path you choose there is always an element of "feeling out of control" as we put our trust in the professionals and as I said the anaesthetic wears off fairly quickly afterwards. I have another CS booked in for DS2 on 7th May but I'm more worried about it all starting early again and having a natural labour! lol, anyway good luck in whatever you choose and try to relax and not worry xx

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weebigmamma · 07/04/2014 21:11

I had a third degree tear first time round and am having ELCS on wednesday. I am nervous BUT I have spent a lot of time researching positive ELCS stories. They were easy to come across. It does seem like the 'norm' with ELCS is an uncomplicated and quick delivery and that the recovery is usually not that bad either (in so many cases people told me- you will probably feel fine after a few days so make sure you don't overdo it). My cousin has her ELCS last week and described the experience as 'lovely'!

As someone has suggested here, it's a good idea to write down all your questions. Speak to your consultant or midwife (whoever you trust) and let them help you to make the decision. very best of luck to you. Soon it will all be over and in a matter of weeks you'll be feeling fine again- before the summer :-)

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hubbahubster · 07/04/2014 21:01

I had an amazing ELCS last time. Lochia cleared up really quickly, I'm guessing because the surgeon cleared most of it out. Didn't even get halfway through my packet of mat pads, switched quickly to regular Always. Was walking round Tesco with DS over my shoulder after three days. Was sent home with an awesome bag of drugs.

The spinal terrified me too, so much so that they couldn't stick the epidural line to my back because I was sweating so much. But honestly, compared to the hours of pain my friends who've had VB described, it was nothing.

Childbirth is scary, full stop. But an ELCS really isn't a bad way to do it :)

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Mothergothel99 · 07/04/2014 20:26

My first birth horrific, pph, episiotomy, tear, you name it. My second c section, lovely. Don't worry.

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peeapod · 07/04/2014 20:25

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/pregnancy/2047185-Section-in-3-days-Is-feeling-really-sick-normal-Bah

look.. your not alone :)

it IS a big thing, but having a baby (whichever way) is :)

Discuss at your pre op options to have a sedative, its something im going to discuss as iv heard its really effective at keeping you calm and taking the edge off nerves.

Make sure they know how nervous you are and they will i am sure be great with you..

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