Do the Tories really support families?

[Fahbeep]

The Tories claim to support families, yet have spent the last 13 years making life harder for families. I don't get it, can someone who votes Tory tell me how impoverishing a big chunk of our society, wrecking schools and the NHS, and taxing the bejesus out of everyone for such poor public services helps families? Yes, a loaded question, but someone needs to explain it to me as I don't get it.

[ToBeOrNotToBee]

No. They don't.

Every single bit about being a family has gotten a heck of a lot harder under Tory rule.

Food. Here's some shortages and massive inflation.
Wages. How about no.
Housing. Yeah good luck.
Health care. Lol what health care.
Dentist. There are none.
Schools. Do you mind your little ones wearing hard hats in the classroom?

[TintinHadToBeMale]

There are good reasons why women are having fewer children. To the list above, can I add in poor maternity services specifically.

[lightinthebox]

Because ‘knowing what a woman is’ is seen as more important than funding education, mental health services, NHS etc.

[Grabbermajor]

Why highlight families? No one forces anyone to have children, it's their choice, why should they have a free ride at the expense of all the other taxpayers?
If you don't like the exorbitant taxes, or what they spend our money on, like the pointless HS2, or the trendy taxing of petrol/diesel car owners (as everyone knows, British car drivers are solely responsible for global climate change/warming/rainy spells, or whatever today's weather is), then vote them out. See if the other lot can do any better. They never do. Because British society as a whole is completely convinced it has a right to be spoonfed from cradle to grave.

[SalmonWellington]

It'd be hilarious if it wasn't so tragic. And yes to the 'knowing what a woman is' garbage. Very keen on defining women, even more keen on fucking women over.

[Fahbeep]

@Grabbermajor

Why highlight families? No one forces anyone to have children, it's their choice, why should they have a free ride at the expense of all the other taxpayers?
If you don't like the exorbitant taxes, or what they spend our money on, like the pointless HS2, or the trendy taxing of petrol/diesel car owners (as everyone knows, British car drivers are solely responsible for global climate change/warming/rainy spells, or whatever today's weather is), then vote them out. See if the other lot can do any better. They never do. Because British society as a whole is completely convinced it has a right to be spoonfed from cradle to grave.

Bring back the workhouse, prison barges, exile and hanging! People need to suffer and be grateful I guess.

[SeaPool]

Because British society as a whole is completely convinced it has a right to be spoonfed from cradle to grave.

We surely have the right to a good infrastructure that provides a decent standard of living and good quality of life for all whilst protecting the weakest in our society, especially if society as a whole is paying for that through taxes.

The sewage in our rivers and seas, the state of agriculture, the economy, education, healthcare, the roads, social care, the widening of the gap between rich and poor, the number of children living in poverty, our low state pension (compared to other countries) the state of our roads. All abysmal after 13years of Tory rule.

The only families the Tories support are their own and those of their rich friends. If they get in again we are truly fucked.

[LuckOfTheDrawer]

@Grabbermajor

Why highlight families? No one forces anyone to have children, it's their choice, why should they have a free ride at the expense of all the other taxpayers?
If you don't like the exorbitant taxes, or what they spend our money on, like the pointless HS2, or the trendy taxing of petrol/diesel car owners (as everyone knows, British car drivers are solely responsible for global climate change/warming/rainy spells, or whatever today's weather is), then vote them out. See if the other lot can do any better. They never do. Because British society as a whole is completely convinced it has a right to be spoonfed from cradle to grave.

The OP highlighted families because there's a narrative that the Conservatives support families as a nuclear unit.

I don't think that expectations of basic functional healthcare and education systems amount to expecting to be spoon fed.

[Grabbermajor]

Just vote for whoever you believe will deliver your expectations then. Good luck!

[Fifiesta]

Absolutely! ..The families in question have off-shore accounts, can afford
private healthcare, ditto education, as many homes (& children) as they care to have. Senior Conservative love them because they either reflect the upbringing that they themselves had, or that they aspire to.

[coollam]

No they don't even some of the conservative with a small c things they used to do to support families and marriage they no longer do. They support themselves and facilitate the transfer of public money into the offshore accounts of their big business cronies. We've had a self serving, smash and grab tory government for the past 13 years and we wonder why everything, all our public services, the NHS and so on has gone to pot?

[MyopicBunny]

Of course they don't. The majority of people who vote for the Tory's are shooting themselves in the foot.

[CurlewKate]

No.

[lightinthebox]

@MyopicBunny

Of course they don't. The majority of people who vote for the Tory's are shooting themselves in the foot.

Or claiming that trans issues are more important than children getting a decent education and future. It’s not saying their beliefs should be ignored but there is the bigger issue of their destroying the NHS, mental health services for children and that schools can’t afford assistants to help children.

[AccidentallyWesAnderson]

Or claiming that trans issues are more important than children getting a decent education and future. It’s not saying their beliefs should be ignored but there is the bigger issue of their destroying the NHS, mental health services for children and that schools can’t afford assistants to help children.

It's not trans issues. It's hard fought for women's rights issues. Which are pretty fucking important to, you know, women. Who by the way can also be concerned about children, education etc etc at the same time.

[lightinthebox]

I’m not saying don’t be concerned about women’s rights, but you can’t look at what the Tories have done to education and be happy to let your child continue to have a badly funded education with all the repercussions.

[Goodornot]

Why is it always families? Supporting the choice you all made to have a family which is hugely expensive to do.

The disabled. The single how about them

Single and childless get fuck all and when I see politicians banging on about hard working families I think so I don't work hard and take nothing out of the system ... I wonder if they want my vote.

[tescocreditcard]

I'm old enough to remember being a child of a single mother during the 1980's under Tory rule. I've never known poverty like it in this country. Tories were vile to single parent families. I don't suppose they've changed much.

But don't worry, labour will be here soon to save us all.

[pikkumyy77]

The sturdy individualists that don’t think healthy families are of use to the nation are in for a bit of a shock when they discover there are not enough children being born to look after the elderly population and the work force must be made up of (the despised) immigrant workers. This is the right wing dilemma in a nutshell—they will immiserate the population and eliminate the very idea of s public good and then whine that women are selfishly not having enough babies to shore up the workforce. Then they will try to bring in cheap labor in the form of immigrants while also treating those immigrants as potential drags on the public purse snd denying them citizenship or secure right to work. Same as it ever was.

[Goodornot]

My sister is divorced. She owns a mortgage free flat. Works 2 jobs and gets UC for her low income. It's a joke. Really the tories don't care about single mothers?!

Benefits on top of working and having no housing costs. It's a joke.

And no I don't want to pay for services I'm not using. You had kids don't expect tax breaks for it.

[tescocreditcard]

@Goodornot

My sister is divorced. She owns a mortgage free flat. Works 2 jobs and gets UC for her low income. It's a joke. Really the tories don't care about single mothers?!

Benefits on top of working and having no housing costs. It's a joke.

And no I don't want to pay for services I'm not using. You had kids don't expect tax breaks for it.

The number of jobs someone has is irrelevant really. The important thing is the total amount of money they earn.

So if they have 5 jobs and each job pays £12 a week she will be a lot worse off than if she had one job paying £10k a week.

Like I said, it's the total amount you earn thats relevant, not the amount of jobs you have.

[ThatbloodyRoblox]

@Goodornot

My sister is divorced. She owns a mortgage free flat. Works 2 jobs and gets UC for her low income. It's a joke. Really the tories don't care about single mothers?!

Benefits on top of working and having no housing costs. It's a joke.

And no I don't want to pay for services I'm not using. You had kids don't expect tax breaks for it.

Re the I don't want to pay for services I don't use. This doesn't make sense. You benefit from those services indirectly every day. You say you don't have kids but you will rely on the education and skills those kids gain as they become adults. Drs, planners, builders, carers etc.
it like me saying I don't use the bus why should I pay for it. I benefit from those who have to use a bus to get to work to help me. Eg hospital staff and retail staff.

[Cornettoninja]

@Goodornot

My sister is divorced. She owns a mortgage free flat. Works 2 jobs and gets UC for her low income. It's a joke. Really the tories don't care about single mothers?!

Benefits on top of working and having no housing costs. It's a joke.

And no I don't want to pay for services I'm not using. You had kids don't expect tax breaks for it.

Does she now.

yes, the fact that people in work (2 jobs!) need benefits is a national disgrace. It’s not those who claim them that are the anomaly, it’s the companies who get away with not paying a wage that covers the basic costs of life that want shooting. They’re the ones benefitting indirectly from increased profits.

The OP highlighted families because there's a narrative that the Conservatives support families as a nuclear unit.

and this. They’re always banging on about ‘hard working families’ like they’re not the ones fucking them over left right and centre.

[dubsie]

It's a Tory play book, divide and conquer. They always pick on the group unable to defend themselves...the immigrants, the benefits scroungers all being paid for by hard working families...

The truth is actually the complete opposite, middle class families live off the hard work of low paid hard working benefit claiming poorly paid service staff. This group of workers are paid very little but put in the hours and the graft

Without millions working on poverty wages those in the middle would be considerably poorer.

[RubeeMurray]

Do the Tories really support families? 

No, they’ll fuck over anybody really.