So, what will it take for the Tories tod itch Cameron?

[WetAugust]

Tories are predicted to come 3rd in the 22 May Euro elections.

They are predicted to lose councillors in the local elections on the same date.

Then there's the Scottish referendum.

How many of these elections can he afford to lose before someone in his party overthrows him?

Who will be leading the party at the General Election in May 2015?

Same question about Clegg - when will the Libs ditch him as unelectable?

[Isitmebut]

WetAugust...please forgive me, it has taken nearly a week to get over that side-splitter of yours Isitmebut-that-I-am-(something)-out-of.

Re am I "riled about something"...I'm not angry, you wouldn't like me when I'm angry, as I tend to go Green, a party that seems to have more decent policies than Labour and Ukip's zero manifesto's put together.

The thread is about 'what would it take for the Tories to ditch (or maybe itch) Cameron', according to the title.

I'm sorry if I have quoted some supporting facts on his record why HE wouldn't be itched/scratched by his own party - especially as in a leader beauty contest in a fugly contest he has proven success in running the country and playing well with others - but if this post was just meant to assassinate him and replace him with one of the no clue ugly sisters, it deserved balance. IMO.

[WetAugust]

Talking - obviously - not taliking.

[WetAugust]

You really are riled about something Isitmebut. It's completely taking you away from the actual debate.

But if you insist on renaming people then you shall forever be known as

Isitmebut-that-I-am-talikng-out-of.

Because I think you probably are.

[Isitmebut]

WetAugust ... "Farage ph-ut (in his rompers)" and "WetWipes" ... "a personal attack"???

That was no personal attack oh delicate one.

Ukip pussies can give it, but can't take it.

Now THAT was a personal attack on an Ukip organization, so far up their own one-policy-pony rectum, that they're starting to believe their own lies they CAN bring us out of the EU/stop open door immigration - getting closer to a cult every week that goes by.

[WetAugust]

Isitmebut

S sad that you have to resort to personal attack. You know what my MN name is and chose to try to ridicule it.

If you are truly representative of Tories then hell would freeze over before you would ever gain my vote.

Enjoy the remainder of your coalition.

[Isitmebut]

P.P.S. Is it not lost on you the subject of this thread and the complete rollocks about Cameron, with real political and national successes, attacked by fishy U-kippers - and here was Farage's chance to put his money where his mouth was, as 'a Ukip win in Newark could destroy Cameron' and he bottled it?

The EU MEP battle is already won, there are only so many people now needed to lie to on what Ukip could do to bring the UK out of the EU and stop immigration.

[rabbitrisen]

I am not sure that Farage isnt "out of the frying pan, into the fire".

Plenty of voters want out of the frying pan of all the current main parties.
But is Farage and UKIP a safe haven at least for now.

And fire down the line?

[Isitmebut]

WetWipes … you might be needed by Mr Farage, who used to say he was a betting man when worked in the City, at this moment in time.

All Ukip DO is mis-inform and there are a hundred more posts doing it to my one of facts (just by Claig), so leave me alone I’m have fun, having listened to all this 'Conservative’s running from Ukip' shite for months.

If this stat is true I heard on the news, it’s been 25-years since last Conservative MP to Conservative MP by-election success, with a current unpopular incumbent Conservative led government, led by a P.M. dishing out unpopular but necessary medicine, where you’re not usually recognised as useful until death and the rest of the world make a fuss; not so much a Farage ‘earthquake’, more of a Farage ph-ut( in his rompers).

P.S. Do you really think that anyone from Conservative Central Office could/would fight down in the trenches like me? Lol.

[WetAugust]

There you go again Ismebut, playing the man and not the ball. Your rhetoric sounds as though it was squirted straight to your Blackberry by Central Office, as it is so out of touch with reality.

I desperately hoped last night that Farage would not stand in Newark, me reasons:

1. UKIPs focus should be on the EU elections and this campaign that they have spent 3 years campaigning for
   
   
2. UKIP is much more than Farage. The party is trying to gain exposure for its other very able candidates. If Farage stood in Newark he would face accusations that UKIP is a one-man band
   
   
3. He has no connections to Newark so would look as though he was simply an opportnist. He didnt stand in Eastleigh so why should he be expected to stand in Newark.
   
   
4. He has to weigh up the possibility of UKIP coming 2nd and then beind called a flash in the pan just before the 2015 election. Thats too risky, especially as the entire might of the established Tory and Labour parties will descend on Newark and blitz the place. UKIp could not compete with their resources
   
   Of course people like Ismebut will accuse him of bottling it and John Piemar is becoming a very biased BBC commentator in some of his anti-UKIP remarks when he accused Farage of not standing because he knew a 16,000 majority could not be overturned..
   
   But Farage has to do whats best for the party and that has to be focusing on the EU elections.

[Isitmebut]

'She would say that now wouldn't she?'

Please put the following words in the right order ; but, fair, harsh.


Sometimes you are the Ernie Wise to my Eric, if you set the gag up, be sure I'll deliver it. lol

[claig]

That is harsh, and if I may so, totally unwarranted and unfitting.

[Isitmebut]

Claig….there is clearly more ‘military’ in Farage than anyone realised; as no matter how much the man salivates over a Westminster parliamentary seat, he knows NOT to put his head above the parapet, never mind charge, WITHOUT ANY (POLICY) AMMO.

Farage “ the giant whale”, now THAT is more like it Claig; full of blubber, slippery, and smelling more than just a bit fishy. lol

[claig]

If I may say so, that is a harsh judgement on a great man.

Is it not possible that Farage has submerged for a while, like a giant whale, and will re-emerge at the most opportune moment to cause maximum consternation and public elation.

Could it not be that Farage is two steps ahead and has a cunning plan that he will deliver with elan? Will he not resurface and take them by surprise, speaking the truth and staring them straight in the eyes?

Do not count thy chickens before they are hatched, gloat not for ye know not what shall be, the people have full faith in Farage, he's for you and me, just you wait and see!

[Isitmebut]

Ukip’s Farage ‘bottled it’ in Newark, as the one-policy-pony Ukip has already got the EU MEP election ‘protest vote’ sown up next month.


Farage, of the United Kingdom Independence Party, by constantly attacking the one party offering the electorate an EU referedum does not want the UK to come OUT of the EU as it would end his EU ‘protest’ gravy train – and with a ‘dog’s chance’ of the Conservative’s getting a slim majority in May 2015 and offering the referendum, Farage needs power in Westminster to both please his backers and further inflate his ex City ego.


High profile Farage could not possibly fight such a strong Westminster Conservative seat as it would announce to those that don’t already know it, Ukip do not have any UK domestic policies, other than those electoral opportunist ones, currently on the back of a cigarette packet, having called his whole Ukip 2010 General Election manifesto “drivel” – yet changed many seat results on the back of it, resulting in the first UK coalition in many decades, which COULD have resulted in a paralyzed UK government/economy.


Farage should be regretting ditching his 2010 General Election manifesto for Labour votes (and wiping all traces off Ukip’s website website but shown below), as most of those policies, we could call fruitcake Conservatism on Steroids, might have swung the Newark vote his way.
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/8617187.stm



Farage on Sky this morning, is the LAST person to lecture anyone on public figures taking money, as on this package, he still has not answered how his £3,500 monthly allowance over 9-years, covered the £2 million he said he had put into Ukip.

MEP salary of £78,000 annual salary + Daily attendance Allowance + Staff Costs + £3,500 a month allowance.

(Up to May 2009) “Ukip leader Nigel Farage boasts of his £2m in expenses

“Farage used EU allowances to finance his eurosceptic message”
www.theguardian.com/politics/2009/may/24/mps-expenses-ukip-nigel-farage

[claig]

Yes you may be right. Labour may still do it. To be honest, I now think that Lord Glasman is right and that Labour should become "blue Labour"- a real people's party.

Oh dear, Farage has just announced on Radio 4's Today programme that he will not go for it. It is a shame. The reponsibility is probably too great. He has blown it. Shame. However, if UKIP put one of the great UKIP women in that seat, they can still win it.

[LilyBolero]

Claig, totally agree about Ed/David!

I do tentatively think Labour will win, if the current trends continue; most of the disillusioned. LD voters have gone to labour (logical really, as they are more likely to be left-leaning, the more right wing 'orange book' LDs will not be disillusioned by Tory coalition). At the same time, disillusioned Tory voters have moved to UKIP, and the combination of these scenarios, plus the quirks of the boundaries may be enough to get Ed into no.10, though I don't know if they can get an outright majority (I pray that whoever wins does get a majority, I can't take more of Clegg being sanctimonious, yet imagining it is somehow democratic to come 3rd and be in govt.)

But I do think politics needs shaking up and this idea of being a career politician needs to change.

[claig]

Farage can't believe it. The reposnsibility is enormous, his popularity grows and grows. People want to meet him, they want to greet him. they want to share a drink with him and have a laugh with him and shake his hand. They are all rooting for him. they want him to show them in Westminster to stand up for us against them.

Cometh the hour, cometh the man. Is Farage up to it? Can he accept the responsibility? Let's hope he can because our country is going to the dogs and the public want to stop the rot and sack the flipping lot.

[claig]

'Remember the political climate at home they were brought up in; they had some of the greatest left-thinking politicians of the time coming for dinner and chatting to Ed and David'

It is more than that. Because I like Ed Miliband but I don't like David Miliband. The pundits, the politicos, the bigwigs all like David Miliband. They said he was like Blair, a winner. But the public don't like Blair. The public like decency and honesty and integrity and that is why they like Ed Miliband, even if some of them think he is ineffectual. Fundamentally, Ed is a decent guy.

But, that is not enough. Ed feels our pain, but that is not enough. The public wants someone who can fix it, and they don't believe that Ed can do it. They don't believe that any of them can do it. they have lost faith in the entire establishment to put things right, and so they have flocked to UKIP.

Can UKIP do it? It seemed unlikely, but UKIP are being carried aloft by the public will. UKIP no longer have a choice in the matter. The public is adamant. They want things fixed, they want change.

[LilyBolero]

(Aargh, a rogue 'their' - should be 'there' - can't type on phone!!!)

[LilyBolero]

Ed Miliband certainly has his faults, but I genuinely think he is a decent person and a deep thinker.

Remember the political climate at home they were brought up in; they had some of the greatest left-thinking politicians of the time coming for dinner and chatting to Ed and David, and I do think he has conviction, probably through meeting these passionate people, whether or not you agree with their politics.

And their is definitely a bullying culture , & I just don't think Caneron can imagine losing to EdM because he feels is so inferior to himself. But his arrogance will bring him down, because referring to UKIP as 'fruitcakes, loons and closet racists', bearing in mind many Tory voters have moved over, referring to his own supporters as 'swivel-eyed loons' if they disagree with him - it is all symptomatic of someone who thinks they are untouchable, and are where they are because it is their 'right'.'

[claig]

And, unfortunately for Labour, they won't win, because the public doesn't believe them, it doesn't believe that they can fix it. The public thinks they are irrelevant and the public now ignores them too. That is why their lead in the polls is so small and why it will eventually vanish.

There is a loss of faith in the Tories, in Labour and of course in the LibDems. The public has lost faith in the entire establishment and all of its Oxbridge spinners. They no longer believe them.

[claig]

Watch the Panorama programme tonight about how are elderly suffer mistreatment in some of our so-called "care" homes.

It is obscene. It is rarely mentioned. The despatch box is a place of jokes and jests, and yet outside people are suffering. What has happened to our country? Who let it go the dogs? Why does no one speak up?

People are turning to Farage because he is "straight-talking", he says things that others dare not say, he reaches people that others cannot reach, because he is not ham-strung by this secret web of control, "political correctness", that prevents them telling the truth and speaking "common sense". And that is why the people are turning to him and that is why he will win.

Farage probably never realised it would happen like this. He probably can't believe it either. He has to think it through overnight. The people have given him the mantle and he cannot now turn it down. Millions of people are now relying on him to break this wall of "political correctness" and tell the truth.

They can't stop him, because millions of people are behind him.

It is coming to an end, people want the country back - the country of tolerance and courtesy and decency, where people are cared for, where people don't suffer, where things are decent and where politicians tell the truth.

[claig]

Yes, you are right, Arrogance is their sin. Just read that fool, Boris Johnson's, statement about the people opposing HS2. These millionaires on expenes don't care. They don't lie in care homes, defenceless and abused, they don't lie in hospital wards, denied water, they don't stand to see their house prices fall in value, they don't live near fracking sites where no one will buy people's homes. They don't care, they are above it all, "out of touch".

I like Ed Miliband, he is one of the only decent ones in Labour, but he cannot win because of "political correctness". It has gone too far, people have had enough. No one will say it, few really understand, it is the elephant in the room that no one can see.

Insults is all they have. They call Miliband a geek, and UKIP "fruitcakes". it is like the schoolyard at Eton, the chums think that bullying will work. But the decline of the country has gone too far, people's plight has passed the level of indecency, patients and the elderly being mistreated is beyond the pale, and the millionaires can't see it, can't feel it, are immune to it.

Schoolboy pranks won't cut it. If Farage ends up in Parliament, then all their heckling and jeering and joshing at the despatch box will seem irrelevant to the public. Farage, single-handedly, will expose the bullies for what they are - irrelevant and "out of touch", arrogant and powerless.

Farage is their nemesis and their arrogance and powerlessness will sink them all.

[LilyBolero]

Claig, this is a new tactic I have observed; if someone disagrees with you, never mind arguing the point, just insult them.

I don't think Cameron will change tack; he is so arrogant I think he can't imagine being beaten by the 'geek ing the other side of the house'. The Tories have for ages relief on EM losing the election by being 'weird'.

[claig]

"HS2 opponents are Nimbys who only care about house prices, says Boris Johnson

The Mayor of London says people who oppose HS2 railway are 'pretending' to have an environmental objection"

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/road-and-rail-transport/10794224/HS2-opponents-are-Nimbys-who-only-care-about-house-prices-says-Boris-Johnson.html

What an idiot. He is supposed to be the Tory's saviour. He insults the public instead of understanding them. Is he also a progressive, does he also read the Guardian? We know that no one in the BBC reads the Daily Mail, but we hoped that at least somebody in Tory Central office did.

Farage wil trounce him just like he trounced Cleggy. They will never let Farage join the leadership debate because he would trounce the whole lot combined.

And it is a tragedy for the people.