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The new pope

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PedroPonyLikesCrisps · 13/03/2013 23:41

So this is the guy who is strongly against gay marriage and adoption and of whom the Argentine president said that the church under his rule in Argentina was reminiscent of the inquisition and the dark ages.

Is this really the kind of guy we want running the most powerful religious organisation in the world?

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specialsubject · 19/03/2013 18:21

Robert Mugabe at the inauguration. Is that a good look?

hiddenhome · 19/03/2013 18:22

this seems to explain things

hiddenhome · 19/03/2013 18:23

No, I didn't like seeing him there He's terrible. Gives the wrong impression certainly.

PedroPonyLikesCrisps · 19/03/2013 18:36

"Pedro Nobody has suggested that. As hiddenhome said, all sex outside of marriage is forbidden."

But gays can't marry, ergo homophobic.

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hiddenhome · 19/03/2013 18:38

What do you understand of the Church's teaching on homosexuality? Have you had a chance to look at the catechism?

PedroPonyLikesCrisps · 19/03/2013 18:39

"and? Pedro The Church believes that children should have both parents - mother and father - to raise them. They are entitled to hold that belief."

They can believe what they like but to tell all the gays that they can't adopt is homophobic. Why should a loving gay couple not be able to provide just as good a home as a heterosexual couple?

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hiddenhome · 19/03/2013 18:41

Because the Church believes that children need both parents?

hiddenhome · 19/03/2013 18:43

You are not going to square this circle. Whatever label you choose to assign to it, not everyone holds the same beliefs which is the mark of a free society is it not?

PedroPonyLikesCrisps · 19/03/2013 18:46

"As for the people who can see no good in the church - do you have ANY IDEA how much charitable work is done by priests, friars, and nuns, and by RC laypeople?"

The top nine charities in the world are secular, the top 5 individuals in the world in terms of charitable donations hold no religious beliefs.

Not saying that the church does no good, just no different to the rest of society.

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hiddenhome · 19/03/2013 18:48

catholic belief about homosexuality

PedroPonyLikesCrisps · 19/03/2013 18:48

"Id rather have the church around than not have it. EVERY religion, EVERY culture has its good and bad.( would all this be discussed if it was the muslims/Krishna/Indian etc faiths?)"

Yes, the content would be slightly different of course, but the general issues are the same with most organised religions.

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PedroPonyLikesCrisps · 19/03/2013 18:51

Hidden, we're talking about the Pope here, not the church. The Pope has made his views on homosexuality quite clear. I'm also willing to bet that for every Internet link saying Catholics are pro gay, there's another saying the opposite. Part of the issue I see with all religion is that the messages are different depending on where you hear them from.

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hiddenhome · 19/03/2013 18:56

Did you even read my link? What the Pope says reflects the Church's teaching and the link states the Catholic Church's teaching.

hiddenhome · 19/03/2013 19:02

I don't know what the point is of having these circular arguments

hiddenhome · 19/03/2013 19:05

I think you made a statement in your OP and just expected everyone to sit around and have a good old gossip about this chap and generally chat about what a terrible thing him and his Church is

I'm sorry that I invaded your thread.

PedroPonyLikesCrisps · 19/03/2013 19:14

Don't be sorry. Debate is good. But i have read your thread and I'm not really sure what you're trying to prove with that. It's a hideous article full of contempt for homosexuals. If that's your view on things then fine, but it shouldn't be something that's widely preached in this day and age.

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marjproops · 19/03/2013 19:34

just a small point about adoption....there are a lot of single parents of ''blood''children, even in the churches....I know a single mum with an adopted child. better 1 loving parent than no parents at all? in an ideal world a child should have 2 parents but its not an ideal world. anyway, just a small point there! (this might be better on another forum.)

hiddenhome · 19/03/2013 19:45

I'm not saying that single parents are wrong marjproops. Presumably, if a gay couple adopted a child then the other bio parent wouldn't be having contact with that child, so the child wouldn't have that other parent in their life.

Pedro your obsession with homosexuality is grating and to bring each and every observation about the Church down to questions of sexuality is equally grating. If you don't like what it teaches then don't be part of it. The Church finds much of modern society's values equally difficult to accept. It's just another viewpoint, which people are entitled to have. They're free to reject it if they choose.

marjproops · 19/03/2013 19:52

hidden I wasnt getting at anyone! just making an observation!

Im Christian and a lone parent (good reason though).

As a Bible reader I do respect what the Word says. (mostly...dont agree with some of it but then again one reason Doubting Thomas is mentioned!) you know, the basic common sense principals.

At the same time it is written that we are not to judge. confusing.

juule · 19/03/2013 19:53

"I'm not saying that single parents are wrong marjproops. Presumably, if a gay couple adopted a child then the other bio parent wouldn't be having contact with that child, so the child wouldn't have that other parent in their life. "

Not all children of single parents have contact with the other bio parent. So I'm not sure what point is being made with the above.

hiddenhome · 19/03/2013 19:59

juule I'm of the belief that children of single parents should have contact with the other parent if they're still alive and providing that parent isn't abusive or represents a threat.

Viviennemary · 19/03/2013 20:01

People look to the church for moral guidance. If they don't want moral guidance then they don't have to take it. I think the church is right to maintain its stance. I'm not saying I agree with it but I think it's good it remains unchanging.

LizzyDay · 19/03/2013 20:08

"People look to the church for moral guidance."

Well therein lies the whole problem. Power corrupts, and all that. And to say 'well people can just ignore it if they don't agree' doesn't hold water. Whole societies are based on people looking to the church (ie other people, effectively) for moral guidance. And in a lot of societies, those who don't agree with the church are made outcasts.

demisemiquaver · 19/03/2013 20:55

yes Lizzy...have you an opinion on the christian woman on death row for blasphemy in Pakistan ??

LizzyDay · 19/03/2013 21:42

Er, I suppose my opinion would pretty much be exactly what I wrote in my last post. Just substitute the word 'church' for 'religion'.

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