Low sentence for Eton student **Title edited by MNHQ**

[winkywinkola]

I was utterly amazed to read how this man has got away with such disturbing behaviour. Unbelievable.

Apparently the judge found the images so disgusting he couldn't bring himself to deliver justice describe them. Wtf? Really? Why?

However, I've discovered there is a petition going around requesting a review of this sentence.]]

[tomatodizzy]

I think one of the reason's this particular case has caught everyone's attention is because a lot of child abuse by the rich and powerful has come to light. It was covered up for decades and it seems in some cases the cover-ups are still happening. In some cases it is being claimed that pedophile rings involving the elite and powerful are conspiracy theories. There is a lot of evidence from all over Europe that children in care are involved in pedophile rings. The victims again and again disclose well known names, or high position names that are hushed up, told are fabrications of the victims disturbed minds or dead Jimmy Saville, perfect example. It has made a lot of people very angry and very naturally suspicious. Pedophiles are dangerous, pedophiles with money and connections are twice as dangerous.

[AugustaFinkNottle]

Starting a petition with a view to getting a sentence changed amounts to requiring, at the very least, public input into sentencing decisions. And that's very dangerous. There are loads of sentencing decisions made every day in every court throughout the country, some of those decisions will by their nature be wrong, but no-one puts up public petitions about them. Why should the media decide which ones it will publicise so as to whip up public disquiet, and which ones they will leave alone?

Of course people can have an opinion, but I don't think there is any point in signing a petition about this particular sentence because it won't achieve anything as the Attorney General has no power to review it in any meaningful sense. Plus, as I say, petitions directed at individual sentences seem to me dangerous. I'm not criticising anyone for their opinions - after all, I've said above that I don't think this sentence is fine.

And why don't you start a petition to suggest sentences by revised to reflect justice in that case?

Why don't you? Genuine question: if you're outraged by the sentence in this case, aren't you equally outraged by the similar sentences passed in similar cases?

[winkywinkola]

It is after all very easy to criticise others who try to do something when they feel disgust and helplessness in the face of an apparently unjust legal system.

[winkywinkola]

And why don't you start a petition to suggest sentences by revised to reflect justice in that case?

[winkywinkola]

The public is not deciding the sentence at all.

The public is merely saying the sentence isn't enough.

There is a huge difference.

And God forbid the public should have an opinion and a civilised way to express their opinion on our sacrosanct legal system.

As a result, I still don't see why you don't sign the petition August.

[AugustaFinkNottle]

SueLawley, I think that article lost me at the point where it claimed that Brittan faked his own death.

I'm not signing the petition because it's pointless. It appears that the Attorney General has no power in law to refer the sentence for review, and a petition won't change that. In any event, the day we allow sentences to be decided by public opinion whipped up by the media is the day we start descending a very slippery slope.

I would however like to make it clear that none of that means I think this sentence is fine. The point is that it's entirely in line with what the sentencing guidelines require, and that means that everyone attributing the sentence to privilege is on the wrong track. What needs to happen is that the range of sentences available under the relevant statute needs to be revised, which is a matter for Parliament. It would be much more sensible to have a petition directed at achieving that, rather than focussing it all on one high profile case whilst ignoring similar sentences passed in other similar cases.

[ladamanera]

The guardian has used his real name now. Since when is it defamatory to the father to use the actual family name of the son reporting fact and opinion? Total rubbish.

[AugustaFinkNottle]

So are you saying that the courts allow anybody who asks to be tried under a false name?

Anyone can change their name at any time, the courts can't stop them from doing so. It's extremely easy to do, any of us could do it tomorrow.

[SueLawleyandNicholasWitchell]

Interesting article here

thecolemanexperience.wordpress.com/2016/03/01/andrew-picardboeckman-and-the-vip-paedophile-connection/

[Nala58]

I wonder if the police interviewed any of the children in this swimming competition, where Andrew Picard used his real name

[Nala58]

Its not over until the fat lady sings, taking this to a higher level. CPS have been informed Spin vs Truth (round 298) - AG - Picard case response wp.me/p6h0tu-4sd

[winkywinkola]

Useless.

Crimes against children aren't included.

The scum has got away with it.

[[https://www.change.org/p/attorney-general-uk-review-sentence-of-eton-student-andrew-picard-who-shared-photos-of-child-of-2-being-raped?tk=IxWHT4VkcOTITWUjGZG8yKITya-jmvrGllpvE-LIS70&utm_source=petition_update&utm_medium=email Look out for him on the news in about seven years time having progressed to raping children himself."

[winkywinkola]

I can't believe those are saying "class war" bollocks still are t signing the petition.

Are you happy with the sentence then? You think it just? Really?

[winkywinkola]

Evidence has been provided further down the thread that not all sentences are equal.

So this sadistic toad - like all of his ilk regardless of income or status - needs to face a proper punishment.

[Nala58]

If you havent already please sign and share this petition on your facebook page, both CPS and the Attorney General have been notified of the disgust of 1000s of people for this lenient sentence, also no mention of the grooming of children to undress before the camera, or no mention if they have even tried to find the baby who was being raped for this man's and others pleasure! www.change.org/p/attorney-general-uk-review-sentence-of-eton-student-andrew-picard-who-shared-photos-of-child-of-2-being-raped?recruiter=16069941&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=copylink

[vindscreenviper]

So are you saying that the courts allow anybody who asks to be tried under a false name? chicagomd
It's not something I've ever heard of before this case.

[SueLawleyandNicholasWitchell]

Yes I think so.

[wannabestressfree]

^ that is likely and understandable surely.

[SueLawleyandNicholasWitchell]

Perhaps they don't want to piss off a top lawyer and end up on libel charges

[Sportinglesbian]

'They do appear to be deleting it'?

You know exactly what you're doing.

And so what if 'none of the major news sources are covering any possible connection'?

Honestly, this is pathetic.

[AugustaFinkNottle]

Is it just me, or are there no passives in YetAnotherHelen's message?

[Sportinglesbian]

Did you also hear about the plans for the Government's Pron Filter: www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2016/02/17/is-this-the-most-inane-governmentconsultation-of-all-time

I reckon what's actually needed is a Government-appointed Porn Czar: www.ibtimes.co.uk/cameron-internet-porn-adviser-patrick-rock-arrested-over-child-abuse-images-1438783

twitter.com/ExaroNews/status/655038812326907904

Oh.

[winkywinkola]

Over 10,000 people have signed that petition.

[sparechange]

So this Eton lowlife is the only teenage pedophile in the UK that can be fixed by therapy. The possibility of prison would damage the poor little sweetheart and make him into an even worse pedophile than he already is money and power will most likely do that. For all the rest it's off to prison you go. That smacks of class inequality so I signed.

Well that is patently untrue, because I posted a link a few posts above yours which includes a quote from the judge who said he spared him a jail sentence because he was making progress with a therapist.

This 'class war' shoe horning is baffling. There have been a load of links to similar sentences, and those are the ones that have been reported. There will be many more that haven't come to the attention of the press.

So by all means, object to sentencing guidelines and campaign for longer and harsher punishments. But pretending this is a case of favouritism or privilege, in the face of obvious evidence to the contrary, just makes people look silly