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In-laws wont stop being so self centred!

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KMoo22 · 29/08/2022 17:42

Iv posted before about my in-laws and how demanding the have been with me and the baby. He’s 10 weeks this week and 1000% exclusively breastfed and has been since day 1.

Multiple arguments have gone on quite regular, WEEKLY to be precise as they seemed to be in denial and refusing to accept home truths or boundaries we put in place. It goes quite for a few days then next visit it starts all over again and I’m a person who stands my ground firmly!
We had quite a large argument this weekend as the in-laws became pushy with the baby again, demanding to see him at x-time until x-time. I accidentally caught on a phone call between my FIL and my Boyfriend to which the FIL said
“ she needs to stop being so selfish and psychotic with this baby. She is clearly struggling and breastfeeding is not working she needs to stop being so selfish and let us help feed the baby and take care of him. Mums fed up as she feels shes not allowed to be involved with caring for him. She would love to give him bottles when you visit and to be able to feed him. Why cant she just tit feed when she’s at home and then give him a bottle then we can all help and feel more involved with this baby, she could let him sleep over then and everyone else can enjoy him too. We don't see why we need to ask for permission to see or spend time with this baby, he belongs to everybody not just her. Mum feels she is being left out with the caring for this baby”

THE RAGE
The absolute RAGE that filled my body within is indescribable. I feel so pressured into giving up breastfeeding for someone else's selfish, self centred satisfaction. How many times do they have to be told that they are being incredibly SELFISH and CONTROLLING. Why so much pressure to make me change how the baby is fed!!! Why should I stop when the MIL exclusively breast fed all of her children!!!! I feel horrible as my partner is trapped in the middle, he’s tried talking to them, reasoning and it goes back to square one every single time. Grandma this, Grandma that, Grandmas upset, Grandma wants this or that. I hate it. Im so fed up and anxious. I can’t tolerate the outbursts anymore as its just pushed me to feel like I gave birth too a baby that was intended for them and their pleasure and not for me. I feel like I’m just the wet nurse. I waited for so many years to have a baby, I lost one in 2017 to my ex and then promised myself I would wait until the time was right and I met the right man. 2018 I met my current partner. I never realised when I became a parent with my partner; that his parents also automatically decided that they had a right to be the babies parents too. Its gone from excited first time grandparents to overbearing annoying people who dont like the word NO.

I have never known a more RUDE, selfish bunch as them in my life. The say we want to be good Grandparents. BACK OFF THEN, BACK OFF AND ACCEPT THAT YOUR CHILDREN HAVE GROWN UP AND HAD THEIR OWN, BUT YOUR GRANDCHILDREN ARE NOT YOUR OWN CHILDREN TO TAKE CHARGE OF SO STOP TRYING TO TAKE OVER. IT IS YOUR SONS BABY NOT YOURS.

(In my dreams id love to scream that at them but I wouldn’t dream of it as I'm too polite).

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KMoo22 · 29/08/2022 19:21

excitingusername · 29/08/2022 19:13

I would also say OP, that I had a particularly enraged reaction to my in-laws and while yours sound genuinely unreasonable, my in-laws didn't have to do very much for me to be 0-100. Just bear that in mind because women usually return to their Mums and some MIL feel like women take their sons and grandchildren away. It's a tricky one. I've also watched friends turn into near psychotic Mama Bears with their in-laws after they had their baby (you sound like you have reason, I'm just saying why it might be as bad as it is). I'm just noting that even the idea of them taking him for a walk is making you physically react with anxiety and revulsion - that's not necessarily just their overbearingness, I was the same and I had no idea just how fiercely protective and anguished I was about my child and how that came across to others.

It sounds like they have completely forgotten what it's like to be parents of babies and also I do think a certain generation was expected to just put up with interfering family members moreso than now. I was pissed off by visitors who didn't call in advance (GIL brought round random friends of hers who I didn't know and I was furious), people wearing perfumes and aftershaves when they held her because then her beautiful babyness smelt of stupid sprays and powders - it made me mad as a hatter. People not handing back when she cried etc etc.

@excitingusername i think for her she seems to think because her son let her do everything and STILL does she can do it with me and the baby.

Im close to my mum anyways NATURALLY and she has some extreme jealousy over her which iv never understood as shes obsessed that my mum has him alone, feeds, changes, dresses him etc in reality she doesnt!! My dad's always at work he sees him for an hour maybe before we go to bed??

Shes fixated on all things and doing things with him being about her which ok fine she has first time grandma syndrome. But her hints went to nagging, nagging went to demanding, demanding has turned to possessiveness. Its like whenever shes with him she feels she can just waltz in and do what she wants and doesn't need permission...

Iv said you can have him for sleepovers WHEN he is old enough, but its not happening right now. Have patience and stop wishing his life away!

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excitingusername · 29/08/2022 19:15

Oh ok, just read your last post. They sound batshit!

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oneOff12 · 29/08/2022 19:14

Are our MILs related? I have a 1 year old and had similar issues with mine. (See my recent post on her not telling us they had Covid just so she could see dd…). Honestly I think you need to take over the conversation and have it direct with MIL. As I didn’t feel that dh was really getting the point across and any apology that may or may not come does not feel the same if it is not direct to you.

It made me feel physically sick how my MIL felt ownership over dd. did she have the scars to show for carrying that child? Absolutely not. Frankly tell them to do one until they can respect your the mother. It’s more than your right.

so sorry for this extra burden OP being a new mum is hard enough

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excitingusername · 29/08/2022 19:13

I would also say OP, that I had a particularly enraged reaction to my in-laws and while yours sound genuinely unreasonable, my in-laws didn't have to do very much for me to be 0-100. Just bear that in mind because women usually return to their Mums and some MIL feel like women take their sons and grandchildren away. It's a tricky one. I've also watched friends turn into near psychotic Mama Bears with their in-laws after they had their baby (you sound like you have reason, I'm just saying why it might be as bad as it is). I'm just noting that even the idea of them taking him for a walk is making you physically react with anxiety and revulsion - that's not necessarily just their overbearingness, I was the same and I had no idea just how fiercely protective and anguished I was about my child and how that came across to others.

It sounds like they have completely forgotten what it's like to be parents of babies and also I do think a certain generation was expected to just put up with interfering family members moreso than now. I was pissed off by visitors who didn't call in advance (GIL brought round random friends of hers who I didn't know and I was furious), people wearing perfumes and aftershaves when they held her because then her beautiful babyness smelt of stupid sprays and powders - it made me mad as a hatter. People not handing back when she cried etc etc.

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KMoo22 · 29/08/2022 19:09

Rounddog · 29/08/2022 19:01

You know often when people talk about people behaving narcissistically on here there are often posters who doubt the perspective of the poster suggesting narcissism. That is textbook narcissistic behaviour. Whether they are narcissists or not is debatable but that behaviour is definitely narcissistic.

Controlling, belittling, undermining, patently untrue. What a pair of toxic twats. Put either a metaphorical or literal ocean between you and those people. They are damaged and damaging.

@Rounddog he worst thing is I would love nothing more than for them to be involved at a reasonable level!

At first i just got excited vibes. First time we visited them so their dog could see the baby and have a sniff so she could get used to him coming with us, we literally got ghere before I even got through the door the car seat was snatched from me and my MIL and her 2 daughters all had their faces and hands in there crowding around him. I just thought poor kid will be thinking who are these lot and where the hells my mum?
I asked them nudge over so I could get to him and give him a feed and a change, unclipped his belts my MIL made a run and grabbed him, changed him then looked at me and moved from room to room to barricade me from taking him for a feed! Then she wondered why I refused to go back to their house. Went a 2nd time (benefit of the doubt) she purposely placed herself next to his car seat, kept poking and stroking him as he slept to wake him up!

Was like make a fuss by all means BUT LET HIM SLEEP. Keep your hands and toes to yourselves, let him wake him, let him come and let my face be the first and only that he sees when he's awake so he feels comfortable and he knows I'm near, THEN I will pass him over.
If i let you all grab him the poor bugger is going to shit himself, get really upset and wonder where the hell I am and scream the roof off.

Did that sink in? NO. It makes me selfish and possessive

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KMoo22 · 29/08/2022 19:08

Rounddog · 29/08/2022 19:01

You know often when people talk about people behaving narcissistically on here there are often posters who doubt the perspective of the poster suggesting narcissism. That is textbook narcissistic behaviour. Whether they are narcissists or not is debatable but that behaviour is definitely narcissistic.

Controlling, belittling, undermining, patently untrue. What a pair of toxic twats. Put either a metaphorical or literal ocean between you and those people. They are damaged and damaging.

@Ragwort the worst thing is I would love nothing more than for them to be involved at a reasonable level!

At first i just got excited vibes. First time we visited them so their dog could see the baby and have a sniff so she could get used to him coming with us, we literally got ghere before I even got through the door the car seat was snatched from me and my MIL and her 2 daughters all had their faces and hands in there crowding around him. I just thought poor kid will be thinking who are these lot and where the hells my mum?
I asked them nudge over so I could get to him and give him a feed and a change, unclipped his belts my MIL made a run and grabbed him, changed him then looked at me and moved from room to room to barricade me from taking him for a feed! Then she wondered why I refused to go back to their house. Went a 2nd time (benefit of the doubt) she purposely placed herself next to his car seat, kept poking and stroking him as he slept to wake him up!

Was like make a fuss by all means BUT LET HIM SLEEP. Keep your hands and toes to yourselves, let him wake him, let him come and let my face be the first and only that he sees when he's awake so he feels comfortable and he knows I'm near, THEN I will pass him over.
If i let you all grab him the poor bugger is going to shit himself, get really upset and wonder where the hell I am and scream the roof off.

Did that sink in? NO. It makes me selfish and possessive..

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Creepymanonagoatfarm · 29/08/2022 19:06

Well for Xmas I would be sending her a Baby Annabel.
And never seeing her again.
My mil told me all she had planned for when dd slept there.
Dd never did.
Oh and dd wasn't the first of her dgc. But the first girl after 6 boys.
She needs therapy op.
Before you do.

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Calphurnia88 · 29/08/2022 19:04

They sound utterly deranged. Tit feed? How vulgar.

I wouldn't want them spending any unsupervised time with my baby, and supervised visits would be seriously limited (if at all).

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Rounddog · 29/08/2022 19:01

You know often when people talk about people behaving narcissistically on here there are often posters who doubt the perspective of the poster suggesting narcissism. That is textbook narcissistic behaviour. Whether they are narcissists or not is debatable but that behaviour is definitely narcissistic.

Controlling, belittling, undermining, patently untrue. What a pair of toxic twats. Put either a metaphorical or literal ocean between you and those people. They are damaged and damaging.

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MichelleScarn · 29/08/2022 19:01

@KMoo22 do NOT feel awful or sad, this is all on them and their crazy behaviour. If it wasn't for them and their wants of control they could have a nice grandparental relationship!

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HermioneWeasley · 29/08/2022 19:01

They sound deranged. They would be nowhere near me or my baby until there had been a huge apology and over time with supervised visits they had shown rhey could be reasonable

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KMoo22 · 29/08/2022 18:56

awwbiscuits · 29/08/2022 18:55

I assume now that you won't be seeing them again op??

@awwbiscuits iv have no intentions of planning a visit... iv got a lot on this week so I'm overly engaged this weekly luckily!

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KMoo22 · 29/08/2022 18:55

MichelleScarn · 29/08/2022 18:45

@KMoo22 I don't understand how your partner feels 'stuck in the middle' at stretch I could see this if it was something simple like you not wanting them to visit without any of their batshittery, but how can he feel that they're in the right with this?!

@MichelleScarn i feel awful that its come to this.
But how many time can I endure being thrust upon and being made to feel forced to do what they want?

I just do not get the fascination of 'alone time'.. he's 10 weeks old, he's literally just stopped going cross eyed every time he looks at us and he's finally smiling as he recognises us properly. The alone time thing FRIGHTENS ME, they dont get pregnancy loss one bit. I was terrified id never have a baby, he's been so patiently waited for by me and is so loved by both me and my partner its untrue. But when they say let us take him for a walk ALONE, my skin crawls and my toes curl completely!

I think i find it more abnormal as the FIL said when they were babies didn't let any of them sleep put out until she had stopped breast feeding.

Yet so much pressure is being put on me to hand him over and stop Breastfeeding now?

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awwbiscuits · 29/08/2022 18:55

I assume now that you won't be seeing them again op??

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KMoo22 · 29/08/2022 18:45

excitingusername · 29/08/2022 18:37

Wow. They sound completely ridiculous and the lack of empathy despite having had 4 children who were breastfed is absurd. I too would have been incandescent with rage if anyone had tried to come between me and my daughter. I do not get the 'baby staying over at Grandparents' thing at all. My daughter didn't stay over anywhere without me until she was about 6 or something stupid! And she has zero attachment issues or insecurities about being without me.

Do remember however, that while this is now, things may well calm down. I was incredibly protective and neurotic with my daughter and people thought I was nutty. However, they did respect my boundaries (of which there were many!).

Perhaps a letter, written over a loooong time of reflection and editing being absolutely sure about the wording so that you don't burn any bridges to explain to them what they can't seem to understand. Maybe some reassurance that as long as they are respectful they will eventually get time with their Grandchild but absolutely this is not about them.

@excitingusername weve tried a few approaches.

We approach his dad and we get blocked or told do one... Sad

I dont get the obsession over being alone with him, surely they know what babies do when they have had their own children? Surely they understand its not appropriate for their 2 month almost 3 month old grandson to be away from his mother.

Its like when she found he'd smiled for the first time I've never seen a look of upset and anguish so strong in my life.. 'oh Right... has he? Well I would have liked to have been there for that first smile...'. When we said he's too young for sleepovers and will be until the wedding next year, we don't need your help with him right now but when he's weaning you can spend some time with him..

We usually get "Why? Just give us a bottle, weve had kids.. dont you think we know what were doing contrary to your belief we had children we know how to look after them". I absolutely hate parenting competitions and being told how to parent!

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MichelleScarn · 29/08/2022 18:45

@KMoo22 I don't understand how your partner feels 'stuck in the middle' at stretch I could see this if it was something simple like you not wanting them to visit without any of their batshittery, but how can he feel that they're in the right with this?!

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Surtsey · 29/08/2022 18:38

I think you need to make it crystal clear to your DP that you are pleased he is sticking up for you and the baby, but he has to continue to back you up 100% on this, permanently. His parents are to have no access whatsoever to your dc unless you specifically say so, and are present the entire time. And unless you get a full and grovelling apology from them, is likely to be never.

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excitingusername · 29/08/2022 18:37

Wow. They sound completely ridiculous and the lack of empathy despite having had 4 children who were breastfed is absurd. I too would have been incandescent with rage if anyone had tried to come between me and my daughter. I do not get the 'baby staying over at Grandparents' thing at all. My daughter didn't stay over anywhere without me until she was about 6 or something stupid! And she has zero attachment issues or insecurities about being without me.

Do remember however, that while this is now, things may well calm down. I was incredibly protective and neurotic with my daughter and people thought I was nutty. However, they did respect my boundaries (of which there were many!).

Perhaps a letter, written over a loooong time of reflection and editing being absolutely sure about the wording so that you don't burn any bridges to explain to them what they can't seem to understand. Maybe some reassurance that as long as they are respectful they will eventually get time with their Grandchild but absolutely this is not about them.

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RaRaRaspoutine · 29/08/2022 18:37

Omg op they sound batshit. They’ve had their kid(s), why so weird and pushy about getting to feed yours?? Ugh and “tit feed” nooooooo I would be moving counties.

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KMoo22 · 29/08/2022 18:22

DelphiniumBlue · 29/08/2022 18:06

Sounds like they don't understand how breastfeeding works - perhaps DH could explain. If MiL didn't breastfeed her babies then maybe they don't understand that you can't just do it sometimes, that success relies on supply and demand.

But are you struggling? Could you actually do with a bit more support?
Some families and cultures do think that a baby is part of the larger family, it doesn't mean they are evil or batshit, just different. They may feel disappointed that they don't get to have the baby themselves, and might not appreciate your reasons. I think this calls for more talking, more dialogue until they get where you are coming from.

@DelphiniumBlue oh forgot to respond!

Nooo im managing beautifully, first few weeks of breast feeding were hard but anyone who's breastfed for the first time will agree those first few weeks are so hard. Iv got through them but my partner and my Mum (a midwife) was behind me the whole journey and she helped and guided me as a mum and a health care professional. And she comments and tells me regular how amazing Im doing, she admires me for pushing through at them difficult times and not giving in and that if tomorrow i became I single mum she wouldn't have a worry in the world about me as a single parent and she has no shadow of a doubt that I would manage perfectly well on my own!

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awwbiscuits · 29/08/2022 18:19

I'd be done. Like, done, done. No way is there any coming back from that.

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KMoo22 · 29/08/2022 18:17

DelphiniumBlue · 29/08/2022 18:06

Sounds like they don't understand how breastfeeding works - perhaps DH could explain. If MiL didn't breastfeed her babies then maybe they don't understand that you can't just do it sometimes, that success relies on supply and demand.

But are you struggling? Could you actually do with a bit more support?
Some families and cultures do think that a baby is part of the larger family, it doesn't mean they are evil or batshit, just different. They may feel disappointed that they don't get to have the baby themselves, and might not appreciate your reasons. I think this calls for more talking, more dialogue until they get where you are coming from.

@DelphiniumBlue funnily enough she did breastfeed all her children which is what I cant understand.

Why does SHE specifically need to bottle feed him? Surely HER of all people understands why I chose to breastfeed, it wasn't for me it was for my son! What is obsession with bottle feeding and having him alone? Why should I feel forced to give him to Grandma all the time we are at their house. Have a cuddle but hoarding him and trying to find reasons to not hand him back? Creepy.

I alway think about them and then think of THE HAND THE ROCKS THE CRADLE. They have made me so weary and unprepared to leave him alone with them ever as I just have a horrific feeling one of them would abscond with him. And they could call me crazy and pathetic thinking it but when they behave like they do; they should understand why I don't trust them.

My family are so disgusted by their behaviour and the fighting. They don't understand why they cant respect our rules and boundaries, when we say can you not all come as once as its too much for me and too much for the baby he doesn't enjoy being passed around (4 of them including me & my bf)

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Ponderingwindow · 29/08/2022 18:14

Your partner isn’t trapped in the middle. He is your shield and defender.

It’s his job to support you breastfeeding 100%. he should just stop entertaining any discussion from then. If they bring it up, hang up the phone or leave the room. Tell them they aren’t welcome to visit if they won’t behave .

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SunshineAndFizz · 29/08/2022 18:11

I'm so annoyed for you.

Either you or your DP partner needs to tell them if they comment again in this matter then you're restricting visiting all together.

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WoodlandMummy · 29/08/2022 18:10

Ugh. What bunch of odious pricks. ‘Tit feed’. Who talks like that. So much disrespect, so much misplaced entitlement.

Fuck them off for the good of your sanity. They are unhinged.

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