Rapists, and what to do with them

[HappyHuggy]

Firstly i want to apologise for 'going off on one' on that other thread. That thread was about a specific case and i made it personal. I shouldnt have done but i got wound up and angry.

Secondly, Its bought to my attention the way i feel about the justice system and punishments for rapists.

I believe that the punishment should fit the crime. On the other thread i was called 'unhinged' and many other things but like i said i was wound up.

But i stand by what i said and am just taking my opinions away from that thread cause that thread is on a specific case iykwim

this probably makes no sense but im struggling to understand why people dont agree that nothing less than torture and death is good enough for a rapist?

and cause you cant tell tone of voice in a post im just letting you know that im not typing out of anger, more just thinking allowed.

[HappyHuggy]

(((((((((((((stillscared)))))))))))

[expatinscotland]

Rape is the most vile form of theft one person can inflict upon another. Theft of another person's control, power, and even his/her will to live. Yet b/c of the justice 'system', people who have their bag stolen are more likely to report it to the authorities than having the most precious part of themselves taken from them.

I am appalled at the light punishments doled out to these sick, twisted f*s in the UK! And the way the victims are treated in court. It's like something from the dark ages!

It was a real shock to me when I moved here to read that rapists and child murders and murders actually don't get life w/o parole; that victims don't get the final say in court. That paedophiles can just set up shop wherever and you wouldn't even know they're next door to you - and your kids.

Something really, really needs to be done about this.

[HappyDaddy]

Sorry if, as a man, it's felt that I shouldn't post here.

My view on the justice system im general is this: Emotion should never play a part in justice. Our society would be no more just than Saudi Arabia if torture or capital punishment were brought back. Rape is a repulsive abhorrent crime but I believe the justice system needs change so that the guilty ARE convicted and their length of punishment reflects the length of punishment that the victim suffers emotionally. 5 years is no punishment, something closer to life should be mandatory.

You are all very brave for posting your experiences and feelings here and I am in awe of your strength.

[Papillon]

these men have just been convicted 16 years after committing rape. There was no DNA evidence, the trial came down to the victim's word against that of the accused.

here

[Sax]

Brave brave post stillscared!

I'm sure your opinion will be heard! Well done for writing it, I'm sure that took a lot of courage to write the words on here.

[stillscared]

Regular Poster, name changed for obvious reasons.

There was a little girl who was happy, normal. One day this child was grabbed by two men and raped and assaulted, repeatedly. They laughed in her face as the did sick things to her. She came home, sore, terrified, bleeding. She couldn't tell anyone then, although she did a few years later. She became a compulsive overeater, desperate to be ugly - because everyone knows men don't want ugly women. She became bulimic in time. She started to self-harm, trying to cut out the pain and the dirt, but no matter how deep she sliced, she couldn't stop the pain. She started to drink and take drugs. She at the tender age of 16, some 4 years after the event, ended up in a psychiatric unit after an attempt to kill herself that involved taking 100 paracetamol - she very nearly succeeded, the liver damage was borderline. Three years after that, in and out of psychiatric units had become her life, and the physical scars from her self harm did not even come close to matching her emotional ones. In time, she managed to form some small joke of a life and now she is married with children. But she is fat and scared and yes, she hates. And then she comes on here and reads how rapists are victims too, and she thinks of the men who destroyed her life and that men like this are being shown compassion and understanding and people like her, whose opinion is that men like this should die, are being ripped apart, and she wants everyone to hate all rapists because, if they don't, it feels (even though she knows it's an overreaction) like they are saying what happened to her she deserved, or that it didn't matter, she isn't important. She didn't matter to the rapists and now she doesn't matter more than them. She wonders how they don't understand that, even after so many years now, she is still that scared little girl. So much so that she has to tell a story, using 'she' instead of 'I'.

[Sax]

Nice one Saintgeorge, hugs Huggy!!!!!!!!

[SaintGeorge]

Huggy has asked me to post for her and to offer her apologies for her comments which some people, understandably, think are extreme.

Recent events have stirred up a lot of past hurt for her, stuff which she is doing her best to work through right now. Occasionally the frustation and emotional hurt all gets a bit too much and threads such as this becoming a place to let off some pressure.

Huggy is not mad, crazy or twisted - just in a dark place right now. Please try to understand that and consider it when reading her posts.

The apology comes from Huggy, the rest of the words are mine - sorry if I have overstepped the mark.

[vicimelly]

I was raped six years ago, it didn't even get to court but I don't think torture and death is a reasonable punishment for rapists, although if you'd asked me a few years ago I probably would have agreed with you - exactly why it shouldn't happen!
The victim of a crime, any crime can never be allowed to take revenge for what was done to them, society would descend into anarchy.
Had I been able to torture the man who raped me, and inflict the pain on him he had done me, I would have without a doubt, but I am positive I would be now, years later disgusted with myself for being no better than him, and I very much doubt I would have been able to get on with my life as well as I have done.
Two wrongs never make a right..........

[Caligula]

Yes I'll have to go to bed too, just noticed the time. Good night Huggy.

[HappyHuggy]

ok SG

am tierd and emotional

and i know my views are hard to understand.

[Caligula]

More to the point, what sort of person would it eventually make you, if the state allowed you to do it.

Literature is full of examples of how corrupted and awesomely evil people become, when they are allowed to pursue revenge unchecked.

[Gomez]

capital punishment is not unbearble pain huggy and i doubt many executioners take great pleasure.

The others are all right however I think we should leave this now.

take care.

[HappyHuggy]

because i believe in capital punishment then theres something wrong with me?

[Gomez]

After being tortured Caligula, but a chance worth taking, as is any breakdown in society's behaviour or change in womans role. Never mind the increased liklihood in being murdered after suffering a sexual assault.

Huggy can I turn it around and ask you WHY is only torture and death good enough for rapists. It might or might not make the victim feel better. But it also ends the rapists punishement fairly quickly. On a practical level the human body can deal with an enormous amount of physical abuse and may 'switch off' leaving someone mentally removed from the process and not really suffering pysically as you feel they should?

Also where do we draw the line - what level of sexual abuse and to whom? Do you get tortured more if your victim was underage for example or a boy? Does it need to be full penetrative assault? Please explain the practicalities as to me your position is as bewildering as mine obvioulsy is to you?

[ScummyMummy]

Must leave too. Night all.

[ScummyMummy]

I think you need some help then, huggy. Honestly. That's an unusual perspective which can be associaated with mental illness. Are you seeing your GP or anything?

[hercules]

Think I'll leave this now.

[HappyHuggy]

yes, i could. what sort of person that makes me i dont know but i could, and i would take great pleasure in it

[SaintGeorge]

Huggy, please, I'll get down on my bloody knees and beg if I have to - stop this.

[hercules]

Could you honestly inflict unbearable pain on another human being?

[HappyHuggy]

i can see the sense in what you say caligia, i really can but that doesnt change the fact that rapists ought to receive a punishment fitting the crime. Unbearable pain and long lasting torture ending in the being put out of there misery and making the world a safer place

[lou33]

hh i think you misunderstood her reaction btw

[lou33]

i never said that herc, was just thinking that this subject atm is v painful and recent for one poster in particular