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quality care for young children DOES NOT exist in SOME private setting

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kiow8 · 29/05/2009 15:52

i have worked in various types of childrens settings(both private and Sure Start)i believe that Sure Start settings are good places for children to be as the staff do genuinely care for the children, they are given healthy meals made with good ingredients and staff are much, much happierthan private nursery staff(better pay,work conditions,ratios in place more etc)

private settings are entirely different.as i have worked in them i have seen what goes on behind the scenes, i believe that i can give parents an idea of what does happen at private setings.

please note that i am not talking about any private settings in particular, just what i ahve seen in different private settings that seems to be an all over thing-
1.young babies who cannot move being left in
bouncy chairs all day, except for sleep,feeding and nappy changes. staff are often told not to pick up the baby for fear of "spoiling them" and having them liking attention too much.
2.young babies who cry are often called"spoilt"
3.lots of bitching about childrens families.one mother(whos baby was a rather small and dainty 6 month old)was accused of "trying to keep the baby small"by not feeding her meat and bread like the OLDER babies,when infact this baby ate well and has family members who are gluten sensitive.
4.a carer smack the back of a young childs hand.
5.frequent use of the word "naughty".
6.really rubbish food-cheap sausages and fish fingers,over indulgence in chips and white pasta, tinned fruit, powedered custard and sponge cake that is bought in in tubs and heated in the kitchen,yoghurts that are supermarket basic, full of sugar and cost 7p
each.
7.a soil area at the back of the setting that the children like to play with toy cars and other toys in.this area does not have a lid and i have seen cats jumping in and out of here.
8.one setting has radiators that are covered with BLANKETS to "protect" children from burns.
9.toilets frequently get smelly and dirty during the day.they are cleaned at the end of the day but staff do not keep on top of them during the day, so children often have to use dirty toilets.
10.children who have had toileting accidents left in wet underwear as staff do not want to change them.
11. too many children in the setting.one setting was registered for 15 children but would take up to 20 on any one day, also instead of the legal 1:3 adult to baby carer, this setting used 1:4 for babies.

these are just some of the things that i have seen in various childrens settings and just thought i would mention them here.

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Tanith · 29/05/2009 18:58

Why do some people think that the way to respond to these threads is to take a swipe at childminders?
Don't you realise you're exactly what you complain the OP is doing?

FWIW, the OP is perfectly right. Only I'd remove the Private qualifier since I'm in a position to know that Surestart doesn't automatically guarantee quality, just nice shiny wooden play furniture!
"Quality care for children doesn't exist in some settings." That's hardly news, is it?

Quality care for children DOES exist in MOST settings. That's borne out by OFSTED inspections and parents' experiences.

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MollieO · 29/05/2009 19:14

Another dump and run post. Why does this topic always invite these type of stupid OPs?

When I did the day nursery visits I had a word with one of the HVs to get the lowdown on which ones were good and which were bad. Their comments matched my impressions. It isn't hard to distinguish a well run nursery from one that isn't.

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juneybean · 29/05/2009 19:17

Oh here we go, us nursery nurses in private settings are horrible and don't care about the children. For fuck sake.

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Droosie · 29/05/2009 19:29

My son went to a surestart nursery which some of my colleagues sniffed at. However, it was the only nursery who invited me to call in for a visit at any time before I booked DS in. Every other nursery wanted me to book an appointment. The Sure start nursery was the only one who said - come any time and see us as we really are.
They cared for DS days a week from 5 months to years and were fab.

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Foxy800 · 29/05/2009 20:00

Hi there,

I am a nursery nurse who in my many years in child care have worked in many different nurseries ( I also have my own child) and just wanted to say that there are some fantastic nurseries out there and as many previous posters have said go for a visit and make up your own minds.

I am sorry but I feel that posts like this are a complete waste of time as all they do is make parents worry who have their children in nursery. If someone has a problem with a particular nursery they should sort it out with the relevant people not worrying other Mums and Dads.

Sorry posts like this get me as like I say there are many great nurseries and nursery staff out there.

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violethill · 29/05/2009 20:00

Oh dear. Are you a pretty crap childminder who's trying to tout for business by rubbishing nurseries?

Of a very bored SAHM who's jealous of her friends careers?

You obviously haven't got the balls to tell us!

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Foxy800 · 29/05/2009 20:01

Ps I am not saying this as a nursery nurse I am saying this as a Mum.

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HecatesTwopenceworth · 29/05/2009 20:02

Have you previously posted similar threads under a different name? Only I do seem to recall the same things being said in at least 2 other threads.

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AngelNanny · 29/05/2009 23:04

disagree with nurseryvoice - the age and qualificaion of staff is not in question here.

It is the type of people like this and i have seen many old people who are worse or equally as bad.

Experience is the best thing and most important in my eyes not just qualifications!

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LynetteScavo · 29/05/2009 23:23

Shall I tell you all about my nutty friend who was the most up-tight nanny in the world and who know works in a sure start nursery?

Wouldn't leave my DC's alone with her for more than half an hour.

There are great nurseries, there are crap nurseris.

There are great child minders there are crap child minders.

There are great mums, there are crap mums.

I don't doubt what you are saying kiow8 - I'm just wondering what your point is, and wondering if you are comming back to thnis thread?

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Northernlurker · 29/05/2009 23:29

OP - do be careful with that axe you're grinding - you might cut yourself!

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willowthewispa · 29/05/2009 23:35

I recognise a lot of the things the OP has mentioned from various private nurseries I've worked in. Sure start children's centres have better pay and conditions for staff and aren't driven by the profit motive, so I guess it makes sense they provide better care. I think we'd be better off if there was state nursery care available for every child.

of the 5 nurseries I have worked in, two are places I would leave my own child (one was a children's centre). One was ok, at a push, but I wouldn't have left a baby there. Two I wouldn't leave a dog in. I'm afraid there are more crap private nuseries than good ones.

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lockets · 29/05/2009 23:38

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KingCanuteIAm · 29/05/2009 23:40

Wasn't there a big scrap on a recent thread with a very similar op????

Perhaps this op saw that thread and wanted that much attention for herself?

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tubeofcanesten · 29/05/2009 23:42

OP where are you - wht do you say to questions - useless pointless post - YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED if you did NOT report these chidcare settings

Shame on you - just set out to worry and upset lots of good Mums on here mow feck off

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Twinklemegan · 29/05/2009 23:43

Please give parents some credit for knowing what's best for their children. Do you think any parent would willingly leave their children in a place like you are describing? And for any poor parents who really don't have any choice - do you think you're helping them by posting stuff like that?

Were all these things regular occurrences or one off incidents? There's been the odd occasion when DS has been in a dirty nappy when I've arrived. I don't assume no one "wanted" to change him, just that they were busy and hadn't noticed yet. Rather than getting hung up about isolated incidents I prefer to look at a place in the round, and the single most important thing for me is that DS likes the staff and is happy. Maybe the food isn't ideal in certain settings, but the staff might be wonderful with the children. Etc.

A list of anecdotes isn't a useful basis for any kind of reasoned debate.

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willowthewispa · 29/05/2009 23:44

ALL parents think their child's nursery is great, regardless of what actually goes on though Twinklemegan.

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moondog · 29/05/2009 23:45

Right, and parents never stoop to these depths?

You pay peanuts and you get monkeys.
Nuf said.

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Northernlurker · 29/05/2009 23:50

Oh yes of course willowispa - all parents who use nurseries are stupid and delusional right?

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willowthewispa · 29/05/2009 23:52

Not stupid and delusion - but nurseries want their business, so often the side parent's see isn't very representative of what actually goes on.

There are plenty of crap nurseries around, but I've never heard a parent say "our kids' nursery is crap" - have you?

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Twinklemegan · 29/05/2009 23:54

Oh right, yeah

DS has been in a nursery that I most definitely didn't think was great. He wasn't happy and I withdrew him. What matters most to me is
a) DS is happy and has friends
b) the staff are happy in their job, DS likes them and they're enthusiastic and interested in him
c) the food is good enough
d) plenty of time outdoors
e) varied activities and learning

Two of DS's nurseries have fulfilled all of the above (the first was wonderful but we moved house). The other fulfilled all of the Care Commission's criteria, had a really good report and didn't engage in any bad practices, but the staff were bored and disinterested, and DS hated being there.

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violethill · 29/05/2009 23:54

What a surprise - the OP hasn't returned! Obviously off to start another game now.

Next, please!

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lockets · 29/05/2009 23:56

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Twinklemegan · 29/05/2009 23:57

Willowthewispa - if parents have any kind of choice then they will not have their child in a nursery they know to be poor. If they are very unlucky and have no choice, then sure they're unlikely to admit to themselves or others that the nursery is not good. But they're not going to be feeling great about it either, and probably feel very guilty having to leave their DC.

We had DS in the poor nursery because it was literally the only one for 40 miles, with no local childminders either. We were lucky and we were able to take the choice not to use childcare after all. Many parents effectively have Hobson's choice, and it's not fair to rub their noses in it.

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moondog · 30/05/2009 00:00

I'm not with you on that TM. Even if you have no choice are you saying you would rather not know if provision is shit?

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