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Moving to Milan with twin babies any advice?

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Abena · 28/05/2007 09:29

Hello, we move to Italy in two and a half months. I have twins who are 10 months. Does anyone out there either live in Milan or have any advice about childcare, lifestyle, a silly query which is what formula milk do they have over there (mine are on Cow and Gate Comfort for digestion so would want similar) and general stuff. I am currently (started two days ago!) learning some basic Italian as I lived in Mexico city for seven years so speak a bit of Spanish but NO ITALIAN. I would greatly appreciate any advice anyone has out there, thanks!

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francagoestohollywood · 04/06/2007 15:51

[mind you, my grandmother looked after me and my brother until my mum stopped working, but it was 30 yrs ago... different set of principles). Look at me, I am a moralista

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francagoestohollywood · 04/06/2007 15:49

pats brangelina sulla spalla... I'd expect that the mentalita' changes with only a bunch of kilometres... I do miss my mother's help, but I wouldn't have asked her to look after my children full time. I find all the nonni I met at the giardinetti incredibly lax. They are spoiling an entire generation...

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Brangelina · 04/06/2007 15:35

Hi Franca
Yes, a lot of these places have closed down due to lack of funding, but there are still quite a few of them about. In Monza there is NOTHING. I expect it's to do with the fact that all these Brianzoli have their mother living around the corner and so don't need childcare or activities. Also, last year in Milan the Comune created an extra 800 nido places and I couldn't get my DD into a nido comunale here in Monza, despite portraying myself as a desparate single mum . Had I stayed in Milan she'd have got a place for sure (yelps with anguish and frustration).

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francagoestohollywood · 04/06/2007 14:12

I forgot about the giant mosquitos !
and I also forgot about tempo per le famiglie, they used to be good, despite the fact that years of right wing council has withdraw so much money from these kind of activities (and the nidi comunali) ...

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Brangelina · 04/06/2007 13:35

Hi Abena
Franca has answered all your questions much better than I could. I lived in Milan for 10 years and can vouch for the appalling pollution, unbearable heat and humidity and mammoth mosquitos. Apart from that everything's great . I now live in Monza which is just a short train ride away and miss Milan like crazy.

I have a DD who's 22mo, she was born in Milan and so I've done all the rounds of paeds, consultori, baby groups etc. There aren't really any toddler groups like in the UK, but as soon as you settle in go to the nearest consultorio familiare/pediatrico and get a list of activities near you. There's usually a baby group linked to the consultorio and occasionally there's something set up for children over a year too. Otherwise there are these centres called Tempo per le Famiglie, usually one or 2 in each quartiere, where you can take your toddlers 2 or maybe 3 times a week and meet and chat with other mums. You should be able to find out about these from the consultorio too.

Regarding private nurseries, they usually cost around 650/700 euros a month for a full day. I pay 680 here in Monza for 8-6ish, but that includes all meals and nappies. If you only do until 4pm then it's usually about 100 euros less. The state nurseries are means tested and cost less, but you have to supply all your own nappies although meals are still included.

I can't help you about the formula as I don't know much about it, but it's horrendously expensive here, as are nappies and other baby accoutrements. For nappies there is a factory near Rho (satellite town) where I think you can buy a pack of 56 for 8 euros or something like that. I can find out where it is, never been myself as I use cloth mostly, but a lot of my friends go there so I can ask them.

I hope you enjoy it, It is quite a culture shock but then as you've already lived abroad you shouldn't have much trouble settling in. Plus you're going to be with a lot of ex pats so it should be easier still. Do try to learn Italian, it will make your stay so much more enjoyable and open up a lot of doors, not least if you want to start working here.
Good luck and let me know if you need any more info or help with anything.

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francagoestohollywood · 04/06/2007 11:46

abena, hi sorry I haven't got back to you earlier, but went to Italy for a few days, we stayed at dh's parents and he internet connection was down. Flats usually have a bath, although it depends on their size. therefore small flat/small bathroom= shower rather than bath, I'm afraid.

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Abena · 01/06/2007 17:51

yes the school provide accommodation but I havent a clue what kind. Do apartments have baths in Italy or is it like Mexico where most had showers only. How will I bath them!!? Sounds stupid but I really dont know what to expect.

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francagoestohollywood · 29/05/2007 14:11

Abena, you have been through a lot in just one year. I really hope you'll settle easily in Milan. I'm well aware that it's not the loveliest city in the world, but I still miss it like crazy and I loved growing up there (ok it was ages ago, things have changed etc). Is the school going to help finding a flat?

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Abena · 29/05/2007 10:29

This is so helpful and also its just good to know there are people out there I can chat to. As for traffic and pollution I lived in Mexico city for seven years until 10 months ago so I am used to THAT! Yes you are right they wont need formula after 12 months, I think. Not speaking Italian will be a problem but then again I went to Mexico without any Spanish and you learn a language quickly when you have to. It has just been a whirlwind in the last year and after having twins, premature delivery, moving countries and then having a scary miscarriage a couple of months ago I have felt stressed to say the least so thanks for your support! I have felt isolated here in UK for the last 10 months so Italy is an exciting new adventure I HOPE!

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PippiLangstrump · 28/05/2007 22:16

you should all join us on the Mumsnet little italy - especially you abena soon-to-be-expact-in-milan.

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francagoestohollywood · 28/05/2007 22:16

and also by the time you are there they'll be 12 months and you can ditch the formula, if memory serves me well.

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eli70 · 28/05/2007 22:03

Hello,

I am from Milano too. With regard to milk, one of the best shops I have found is a German chain called "Schlecker", where you can find Humana formula milk and other German formulas at a cheaper price. I also know of a few mums who buy baby stuff such as nappies etc. on the internet from a farmacia (chemist) down south - I think it's farmaciademeo.com, but you should check on that. All the best! Ciao

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francagoestohollywood · 28/05/2007 21:12

Anna: I find that the best city guides (well, my favourite) are the time out guides. see if you can fetch one on Milan.
I really hope you'll have a nice stay, Milano can be utterly charming, if it wants... . The worst thing is def the traffic, but by staying at duomo you have two lines out of the three (pathetic I know), and as the city center is quite small it won't be too expensive taking a cab.

Abena, good luck with your move! I don't know much about the area you are moving to (I've heard about the english school though, and it's got lots of lovely facilities if I remember well) and being close to Parco Lambro it's certainly good for your dogs... as I said I don't know much about Lambrate, but there' is a metropolitana (tube) which relieves a lot of stress, as moving around in Milan is a major pain.
Childcare is cheaper than in the UK, and that's because there are asili nidi comunali (run by the council). A place in asilo nido comunale (for children between 9 months to three year old) costs between 100 euros and 400 euros a month, depending on your household income. It's very difficult to find a place in asilo comunale, and you have to put your name down on a set date (usually in february or march, I think) to start the following september. Private nidi are good as well, more expensive (tbh don't know how much) but not as expensive as in the UK. The staff needs to have a proper qualification, so no stroppy teenagers on site. I'm not by any means saying it's perfect, but again, friends feedback has always been very good.
Scuole materne (for 3- 5 and a half) are both statali or comunali and cost 50 euros a year . they are the last bulwark of a once good education system. I'm told it's quite difficult to find a place there as well, but again, my friends with children have never had a problem and have all been extremely happy.
Alternatively you can employ a babysitter, but this seems to work a lot by word of mouth, I can ask my friends if you want!
If your husband is going to work in an english environment, your move will be much easier, I believe, and you might be in touch with otehr english mummies. As I said, I don't think there are many activities for mothers and toddlers. But there's lots of socializing in giardinetti and parks. And there are also swimming lessons for little ones in almost every swimming pool in Milan, there's a puppet theatre etc etc.
I'll be happy to answer any other question. There's another english mntter who lives near milano, brangelina.
I'm feeling all protective of you now, I do think that moving to Italy can be quite shocking for an English person (and certainly also the otehr way around ), I really wish you all the best!

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Anna8888 · 28/05/2007 20:10

Franca, this all sounds wonderful, thank you so, so much. I'll start making restaurant reservations tomorrow. Grazie mille.

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Abena · 28/05/2007 19:53

Franca thanks for the advice. My dh and me are both teachers and he has a job in Sir James Henderson school and apparently accommodation will be near the school. It is a British International school and the street is called Via Pisani Dossi. We herad he had the job three days ago so I havent got a clue about anything! I think its near a parc called Parco Lambro or something but not sure. We also have two golden retreiver dogs to get over there who have only just got here from Mexico in the last few months poor things.I am not working here in UK as childcare would be the equivalent of my salary but would like to work in Italy therefore I wonder if childcare is as expensive as here. We have 2 and a half months to sort out EVERYTHING!

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Monkeytrousers · 28/05/2007 18:47

omg, I so want a spizzico pizza with chips on!

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francagoestohollywood · 28/05/2007 17:41

uh, and for luch I also recommend "Al panino giusto", there's one off corso vittorio emanuele, one in corso garibaldi (near corso como, if you visit the posh shop) and one in corso di porta ticinese.

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francagoestohollywood · 28/05/2007 17:39

spizzico makes pizza with chips on top !

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francagoestohollywood · 28/05/2007 17:38

(I was thinking something more in the line of magic mashrooms )
Btw, an excellent standy uppy food is a panzerotto (fried mini calzone), you get it at Luini, just behind the rinascente (as your hotel for right address). YUMMIE.

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Monkeytrousers · 28/05/2007 17:32

sorry, what we used to call spitzico (sp?) pizza; standy uppy pizza

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francagoestohollywood · 28/05/2007 17:31

what's magic pizza?

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Monkeytrousers · 28/05/2007 17:30

opps, jus read your DP's tastes, he probably would not approve of magic pizza

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Monkeytrousers · 28/05/2007 17:29

Have some Magic pizza Anna - it's lush!

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francagoestohollywood · 28/05/2007 17:24

sorry, something less posh is the pizzeria, joia is rather posh!

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francagoestohollywood · 28/05/2007 17:23

As I said, I'm not very good with restaurants as my memory has gone. Also typical milanese cuisine, can be too rich for a very hot june evening. Anyway, you can take your dd pretty much everywhere. All these places need reservations, even well in advance.
check this:
www.aimoenadia.com/ this is quite famous, I've never actually been there but it always makes it in the 10 top list (I think) of Italian restaurants.

www.classcity.it/class_city/contenuti/t_libero/ristorante/ristoc_result.jsp?reg=Lombardia&rist=Joia
something less posh...
www.piccolaischia.it/ this is one of the best pizzerie, I think

www.tagiura.it/ this used to be good.
One of my dearest friends raves about this www.teatro7.com/. I went once, thought it was all right but nothing incredibly special. Needs reservation well in advance. I'll email him (he likes to think of himself as an expert ), see what he recommends.

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