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Car, accident. Where do I stand?

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DeathMetalMum · 07/04/2016 16:09

Bought my first car today, insured and taxed before I set off home. On the way home someone drove into the side of me. I had stopped at a crossing which was on red and was indicating to turn right. Turned right once light were green and they drove into the side of me, there was a queue behind me, a witness has said they were driving on the wrong side of the road. My car haso a huge dent in the driver and passenger doors, theirs has a small scrape on the paintwork. 😔

Here is the more tricky part. Contacted my insurance and they said my cover doesn't start until midnight tonight and can't do anything unless the other person admits liability and contacts their insurance. I've no experience of dealing with any insurance claim whatsoever. Where do I stand? Would love some advice from anyone in the know.

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TensionWheelsCoolHeels · 13/04/2016 09:50

Death, if you have comp cover then there should be no reason for you to have your repairs carried out on a credit basis - I'd go back to your ins co & ask why you are being asked to take on that liability when it's been confirmed you are covered on a comp basis so they should be dealing with your repair. Make it a complaint if necessary. As long as they confirm your x/s to the repairer, there shouldn't be any need for a credit repair at all.

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merrymouse · 13/04/2016 09:07

The insurance company should cover your repairs, excluding your excess, whether or not you are liable.

It is normal for the repair company to want to make sure that you will cover the excess incase you are found to be liable/are jointly liable.

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DeathMetalMum · 13/04/2016 07:56

Insurance company have also passed on the repairs to Albany again on some form of credit agreement, which I am yet to sign.

Yes I meant front and rear drivers side door's were hit. It was a no overtaking zone if that makes any difference. I was supposed to hear back from my insurance company yesterday and they didn't contact me again. Feeling quite lost in all of this tbh.

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TensionWheelsCoolHeels · 13/04/2016 01:29

Fair point, I picked up the passenger side instead of passenger door.

So if the damage is to the off side, on the approach to a traffic light controlled junction, the OP indicating to turn right with the other driver presumably coming from behind (rather than in front as I took the 1st post) the OP could still be held partly at fault - there's existing case law which places 30% blame on a car turning right who was hit by another overtaking as they turned right. The other possibility is that the other driver came from the right, possibly through a red light (if OP's light was green) but if no one can say they saw the other driver's light as red, & no one can verify the OP's light was green, you can still end up with a split if the witnesses either don't provide a statement or they do but it's not as concrete as anticipate.

From what the op has said I'm taking that they didn't see the other car before she was hit & that's an issue in trying to establish someone else it fully liable. Even if the witnesses can fill in that gap & explain what the other car did before the OP saw them/was hit, she could still be deemed partly at fault. Even if a police report criticises the other driver for what they did the OP can still be found partly at fault. It all depends on what response the other driver makes to the allegation they were fully at fault.

The upshot is, signing up for a credit hire car now, if you don't actually need it, could result in a bill to be settled by the OP further down the line if she's deemed partly at fault. I think the OP is right to be wary of that. I'd not take that chance & if I could manage without a car I wouldn't accept a 'free' car when it's anything but until there's an admission of liability from the other driver's insurer. But that's just me, I'm not the OP.Smile

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HirplesWithHaggis · 13/04/2016 00:22

I think op was hit on the driver's side - her first post said driver's and passenger doors, but I'm assuming she meant rear-seat passengers. Would be hard to hit both sides at the same time.

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TensionWheelsCoolHeels · 12/04/2016 23:34

The issue at present is that there is no admission of liability from the other party's insurer & as much as the OP's information would suggest the hold the other driver at fault, there's still the possibility this could end up as some kind of split liability. The OP had turned right at traffic lights & been hit on the passenger side - if witnesses don't reply to requests for statements & the OP can't say where the other car came from, there may not be a full admission of liability. Police reports don't always help/prove liability.

Any hire costs incurred through a credit hire can end up in part having to be paid by the OP - that's why Albany are asking her to sign the credit hire agreement so they can reclaim their costs if liability isn't 100% in the OP's favour - Albany won't be the ones left out of pocket.

This is one of the reasons Albany & companies like them have a bad reputation - they don't make any of this clear when asking for a signature & when it's 18 mths later, liability has been settled with a % against the OP (if not 100%) they end up being chased to the balance of credit hire costs.

If the OP has no immediate need to use a car/can get around day to day without one while liability is still undetermined, I'd suggest declining any credit hire & just claim loss of use/travel costs from the other party's insurer once liability has been decided. Just my opinionSmile

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CointreauVersial · 12/04/2016 22:53

Don't worry about Albany - as others have said, that's who they use if they believe the accident was the other party's fault. I had no problems with them. They handled everything.

As soon as my car was in for repair I had a courtesy car from the garage.

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cdtaylornats · 12/04/2016 22:34

00:00 from 08/04/16 sounds very ambiguous to me. I would consider telling your insurance company that you are going to ask the FSA about whether ambiguous times like that are both legal and good practice. When did you ask them to insure the car from?

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TensionWheelsCoolHeels · 12/04/2016 19:16

I can see that your ins co are dealing with your repairs so the only reason to sign up with the likes of Albany is if you really need a hire car & didn't have the funds to pay for one yourself. If you are able to function without your car you don't need to take anything from Albany - claim loss of use for the period you are without a car or travel costs (keep receipts/train or bus tickets/taxi receipts etc).

Your insurer should be writing to the other insurer, the witnesses & the police to gather evidence to support your stance, if the other ins co won't deal with you direct or concede liability. As your ins cover has been confirmed, all that work/effort should be part of the service they provide. If they aren't doing any of that, they aren't doing their job right.

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Redglitter · 12/04/2016 19:10

Anytime I've been referred to Albany it's been because the other party were liable so fingers crossed that's a good sign.

The other party doesn't need to admit liability the insurance companies will sort that out too. They may ask for a copy of the police report but the police don't apportion blame in rtcs. The fact you've got witnesses is a big help too 😊

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DeathMetalMum · 12/04/2016 18:49

Oh and I am also not considering going to a no win no fee solicitor.

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DeathMetalMum · 12/04/2016 18:48

My cover is fully comp. I think the reason why they have referred me over to Albany is because they haven't yet contacted the other person's insurance to find out if they are admitting liability or not, (insurers said the police's decision is separate to the insurers decision but the fact the police are saying the third party is at fault can be used if there is a disagreement over liability??). I don't see why there is such a rush when they haven't even contacted the third parties insurers yet.

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TensionWheelsCoolHeels · 12/04/2016 18:04

Death, you are right to be wary of Albany or any credit hire company in this scenario. The only way you won't end up liable for any costs re hire is if you get the other insurer to confirm their policyholder is at fault.

Can I ask if you have comp cover? If so, what is the reason they've passed you into Albany instead of dealing with the claim for you?

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Redglitter · 12/04/2016 17:43

Thing is remember online you're really seeing the worst experiences. People rarely go.on and say 'they were great' The complaints are probably on a par with most big companies if you look at how many cases they deal with.

Having said that if you don't want to use them tell your insurance company that. Don't start running around doing things yourself and there's no.point in getting a no win no fee mob at this point.

Skip Albany if you're not happy and just deal with your insurance company Smile

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DeathMetalMum · 12/04/2016 17:08

Yes ourblanche that's almost what the police said.

That's the thing though, Albany want me to sign a pretty credit finance agreement with them, just in case the third parties insurance refuses to pay. A quick Google and probably even a MN search will show people who have been stung with a hefty bill followed by a court case 18 months later after taking up assistance from Albany. I think I'm right to be wary of dealing with them tbh.

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OurBlanche · 12/04/2016 16:52

^^ that! Albany are just going to give you a car that your insurance company are paying for, inline with your policy.

Go get your nice shiny hire car an good luck with all else


Oh re the police thing: as OP said she was paraphrasing, they would have said something reassuring like, don't worry about that now, we aren't going to prosecute you, go get yourself checked out and chase the other party's insurers...

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Redglitter · 12/04/2016 16:43

Your insurance company are dealing with it so let them. Albany are a car hire company I've been referred to them several times. If an accident is your fault as a rule you'll get any old courtesy car. Usually a teeny one. If it's not your fault Albany supply a like for like car at the expense of the other parties insurance. They'll have passed you to them for that not for handling your claim. Don't get involved with that now your insurance company are dealing with it

I've used Albany a couple of times most recently got a brand new Mazda rather than the Daewoo Matiz the garage provided

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Tequilamockinbird · 12/04/2016 14:23

I agree with pp. if it wasn't your fault, and you were injured, go to someone like Winn's Solicitors who won't charge you or take a cut. They'll sort everything out, even hire car, and you won't have to pay your excess.

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DeathMetalMum · 12/04/2016 13:57

Thought I'd update. Insurance company re-listened to the original sales call, neither myself or the sales operative mentioned a start date on the policy, so they have now changed this to what I had originally thought it was.

They are now dealing with my claim, brilliant I thought, however have passed me onto a credit hire company called Albany, quick Google search and it seems I should avoid this company at all costs. I think I am going to have to deal with this myself again, get quotes for the damage and write a letter to the third parties insurance company as they have already said they will not deal with me over the phone.

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JinRamen · 09/04/2016 09:11

How stressful, but glad the police have reassured you. Hope you get it sorted out.

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clam · 09/04/2016 08:49

The police have said not to worry about having driven with no insurance? I mean, that's great for you, but ... really?

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greenfolder · 08/04/2016 21:14

I actually work for an insurance company but in your shoes I would put the whole thing in the hands of a solicitior. There are lots of no win no fee. A few like winns don't take a cut of your settlement. Check first that you don't have legal expenses insurance first elsewhere, union membership or professional associations sometimes put this up as a benefit?

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CointreauVersial · 08/04/2016 20:43

Well that's really positive. The police always say that their accident investigations are nothing to do with insurance claims, however it does carry a lot of weight with the insurance companies if they decide to take action.

I had an accident a few years ago, for which the other driver was disputing liability (even though he was on my side of the road and on his mobile phone). Once the police told me they were prosecuting him for Driving Without Due Care & Attention his insurance company caved immediately, and everything was settled in my favour.

And good news that they won't prosecute you for driving uninsured.

I hope you get it all sorted, and your insurance company step up to the plate and help you.

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DeathMetalMum · 08/04/2016 19:15

Thanks everyone again. I have heard from the police who say the other driver is at fault and they will be dealing with that. I explained about the insurance, they said they would get back to me again which they have and have told me not to worry about it as I wasn't intentionally driving without. (Lots of other things but paraphrasing).

I haven't heard from back my insurance company yet, I am going to ring them now. I wasn't able to get any quotes of the work today but will hopefully do so over the weekend or on Monday.

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BabyGanoush · 08/04/2016 18:52

What a nightmare. I hope the insurance company will discover they got the date wrong.

Hope your neck is ok

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