Oh dear, success is going to Farage's head

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Farage starting to lose the plot and think he is a whizz on foreign policy.


"He added: “It was Ludendorff who gave Hitler credibility. Yet none of this would happened if someone had made Ludendorff surrender unconditionally.”

Farage, lecturing on ‘the effects of the Great War and the legacy to contemporary Europe’, was this year’s speaker in the Tom Olsen lecture series, which dates back to 1991 and is named after the distinguished Fleet Street journalist, leader, writer, editor and author.

The Ukip leader, whose hobbies have included touring first world war battlefields with a group of friends, said: “The consensus is that the Treaty of Versailles was too punitive. It led directly to German hyper-inflation, which in turn led to seven million unemployed, and which in turn led to National Socialism.

“But I don’t actually think Versailles was the mistake. I believe the real mistake, the anniversary of which we remember today, was the armistice.”

www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/nov/11/farage-ukip-armistice-hitler-german-surrender-first-world-war


Of course the punitive Versailles Treaty was the mistake and not the Armistice.

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'what has he EVER achieved in government.public service?'

Take it from one of our greatest, independent-minded political commentators - Peter Oborne

"Whether or not Ukip wins, this month’s European election campaign has belonged to one politician alone: Nigel Farage. Single-handedly he has brought these otherwise moribund elections to life. Single-handedly he has restored passion, genuine debate and meaning to politics. Single-handedly he has reinvented British democracy.

This is a superlative achievement, and Mr Farage deserves to be celebrated."
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When he emerged as a force ten years ago, Britain was governed by a cross-party conspiracy. It was impossible to raise the issue of immigration without being labelled racist, or of leaving the EU without being insulted as a fanatic. Mainstream arguments to shrink the size of the state, or even to challenge its growth, were regarded as a sign of madness or inhumanity — hence Michael Howard’s decision to sack Howard Flight for advocating just that during the 2005 election campaign. The NHS and Britain’s collapsing education system were beyond criticism. Any failure to conform was policed by the media, and the BBC in particular.

Meanwhile, the three main political parties had been captured by the modernisers , an elite group which defied political boundaries and was contemptuous of party rank and file. As I demonstrated in The Triumph of the Political Class (2007), politicians suddenly emerged as a separate interest group. The senior cadres of the New Labour, Conservative and Lib Dem parties had far more in common with each other than ordinary voters. General elections were taken out of the hands of (unpaid) party activists and placed in the hands of a new class of political expert. Ed Miliband’s expensive American strategist, David Axelrod, who flew into London on a fleeting visit to the shadow cabinet last week, is an example.
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most of all, he has given British democracy back to the people it belongs to — the voters.

www.spectator.co.uk/features/9212811/ukips-triumph/

And that is only the half of it. Read the whole article to see exactly what Farage has achieved.

"And we are meant to believe that the party ... is the answer to all our problems?"

Yes.

'What a joke.'

Do you mean Cameron highfiving Juncker, challenging Juncker's appointment and losing 26 to 2, begging Labour, LibDem, Green and any other voters to save the modernisers' skins in the Rochester byelection that he said he would throw everything he had at and for which some bookies have already paid out to UKIP backers a week before the vote takes place, and John Major begging Germany to save the modernisers' hopes of remaining in the EU by throwing the modernisers a lifeline over freedom of movement which they have no control over whatsoever? Then yes, I agree with you, it is a joke.

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And Farage's journey has only just begun.

He trounced one of the finest minds the modernisers had - Cleggy, a product of Westminster School, Cambridge University and the College of Europe. He took him apart and didn't put him back together again in a national debate that bigwigs, bureaucrats and Bullingdon Club members expected Mr Farage, champion of the people, "one of us", to lose to one of the great and the good.

There will be much more to come as spinners fall like skittles before Farage and the People's Army as the election nears.

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And now Ed Miliband, PPE, has dared to suggest that he could "take apart" Farage.

"Friends , I say we can take this lot apart and it is time we did.”

Well Farage said "come and have a go", but of course, Miliband won't because he knows that Farage will wipe the floor with him, just as he would with Burnham, Chuka, Balls, Tristram Hunt, Cameron and anyone else the modernisers put up against him and the people.

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Very good article in Spiked that gets close to understanding why we vote UKIP and why we will eventually beat the modernisers and politically correct spinners.


"From the perspective of the political class and its media playmates, the rise of UKIP is clearly troubling. After all, this is the party that they have long demonised for the loony, fruitcaked racism it supposedly nurtures in its midst. This is the party whose voters are routinely mocked and stigmatised. And now, this is the party that has followed up its success at May’s European parliament elections, which it won with nearly 30 per cent of the vote, by winning its first UK parliamentary seat at the Clacton by-election, and nearly winning a second at Heywood and Middleton. So despite everything that has been thrown at it by sneering broadsheet commentators, despite all the muckraking of mainstream party hacks, UKIP is still the coming force in British politics. According to some estimates, it could even take 25 seats at the General Election next year.

Yet at the same time as the party-political establishment is clearly worried by this threat to its interests, it also seems to be indulging in a spot of denial, too. It simply doesn’t quite get what is happening. UKIP’s insurgence is all too new and unsettling to be faced head on.
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And this is why UKIP’s emergence is so potentially significant. The withdrawal of the party-political establishment from the public, its separation from the people it is meant to represent, has finally been seized upon. The emperor is wearing deeply unpopular clothes. Or to put it another way, UKIP is effectively confronting the political class with its own estrangement from vast swathes of British society. To those who have long been condescended to, whose views and lifestyles have been dismissed as backward or unhealthy, UKIP offers a voice. To those whose sense of dislocation amid so much politically championed social change have been ignored, UKIP offers a bulwark. And to those who have found little to vote for from the mainstream political melange, UKIP offers an opportunity. (It’s no surprise that a survey of UKIP voters at last year’s Eastleigh by-election revealed that over 20 per cent had not voted at previous General Elections.)

And here’s the rub: the growing number of people voting for UKIP are therefore not all simply protesting, or giving vent to anti-politics sentiment, or intent on negating the Westminster elite, although of course some of them might be. Rather, many of them are affirming something, too. This, as we have argued before at spiked, might not be clearly defined, but it is there. It’s there in the focus on immigration, in the desire to leave the European Union, and in the more general resistance to a stiflingly paternalist PC culture, where everything from one’s language to one’s boozing is the object of official concern. In short, UKIP fastens on to a desire on the part of many to assert a bit more control over their lives, a chance to resist those anonymous forces, be it immigration or Europe-based policy- and law-making, that are perceived to be upturning their world."

www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/is-a-vote-for-ukip-really-just-a-screech-of-rage/16013#.VGZXFqJyaic

UKIP is the "general resistance to a stiflingly paternalist PC culture, where everything from one’s language to one’s boozing is the object of official concern".

People have finally had enough of it and there are millions of people who feel like that, so the spinners cannot win. If Oxford PPEs like metropolitan Miliband try to "take apart" UKIP, they will end up being defeated. That is why so far all of the parties have tiptoed around UKIP. They don't know what to do because they will have to take millions of ordinary people on and a narrow metropolitan privileged elite can't take the people on.

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Claig ….. UKIP’s ‘anti politics’ spread from the top through their purple media minions WILL appeal to voters as being different, as in UK domestic policies there is no core, no substance to UKIP – as proven by Farage disowning their 2010 general election manifesto – and that is how UKIP rolls.

UKIP thus free of the shackles of actually standing for something, have positioned themselves as an anti establishment COMPOSITE protester of every controversial/unpopular policy the three main parties have.

Watch Farage, with no UKIP firm policies or ideals to defend, be wheeled out with opportunistic political point scoring time and time again – as this article below better explains.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/nov/01/ukip-british-political-compass-authoritarian-right

“Rather, as I've explained before, Ukip flagrantly pilfers the most unpopular policies from both Labour and the Conservatives and frames them in a negative manner, making its manifesto a "bucket list" for the annoyed and offering easy, uncosted solutions.”

”Scared of immigrants? Vote Ukip. Insecure about the financial crisis? Vote Ukip. Hate the smoking ban, energy companies, HS2, Brussels, travellers, burqas, tax, Boris, debt, wind farms, bankers, quangos, foreign aid, crime, Abu Qatada, tuition fees, lazy people, Muslims, foreigners, the hunting ban? Vote Ukip.”

”The result of that scattered approach, however, may be that Ukip has somehow stumbled upon virgin territory that perfectly fits their nationalist identity; the vote of people naturally leaning towards the authoritarian right.”

So while UKIP are very popular, it is because UKIP are political phoneys, they don’t really exist in any substance, especially in the mainstream issues many voters currently take for granted that with our deficit could be a lot worse - so UKIP can rely on soundbite whingeing about all the other parties, telling voters why they shouldn’t vote for the establishment –without daring to address the UK’s PROBLEMS, as they have NOTHING DIFFERENT.

*Look at your last conference, £19 billions worth of tax cuts for everyone, and cut out all of the Foreign Aid budget, to pay for some of it; a nationalist taxpayer policy wet dream.

But hardly innovative, hardly brave taking the tough decisions to cut our £100 billion annual deficit/overspend – a typical UKIP voter scam from a party that not only has no answers to bring the UK out of the EU themselves, or address our domestic issues, but by splitting the Conservative vote in 2015, will reverse all the progress made to-date.

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No, you don't get it yet, but you will start to see after May 2015.

The more I think about it, the more I understand what is happening.

We are really witnessing the beginning of the end of the Tories forever. They are a politically correct metropolitan Oxbridge elite and those days when the BBC ruled and could fool the people are over. We live in a democracy with internet access to information. The days of deference and believing what we are told by our Oxbridge elite class are over.

Labour are exactly the same as the Tories - the same class of people from the same schools and universities with the same politically correct beliefs.

We are witnessing the resistance of the people because the people have passed the tipping point, they have had enough.

We will be leaving the EU in the coming years. I now have no doubt, because the Labour/Conservative class are desperate to stay in, but the people will abandon the politically correct class in the coming years. UKIP may be the second largest party in the Welsh Assembly soon according to press reports. UKIP will begin to thrash politically correct Labour everywhere.

But what is really fascinating is what will happen in Scotland. Everybody thinks that Scotland will go independent in the coming years but I now think that won't happen because UKIP will challenge the SNP in Scotland over the coming 10 to 20 years. There will be no "love bombing", no political correctness, just real populist opposition to the progressive SNP - what politically correct Labour and useless Tories are incapable of doing.

You can see the mistake the SNP are making by Sturgeon's comments about the EU referendum and Scotland having a veto etc. That is a terrible mistake for them. They have had no opposition, but UKIP will be their opposition, just like they will beat Labour in England.

We will leave the EU and the United Kingdom will regenerate and grow in confidence and stature. We will be united again and the people will be in charge.

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"Ukip may become second largest political party in Welsh Assembly after 2016 election"

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ukip-may-become-second-largest-political-party-in-welsh-assembly-after-2016-election-9860565.html

That says everything. This is a revolution, a people's revolt and it will unite every part of the United Kingdom, it will put pride back in our institutions, our democracy, our system. Spinners will be kicked out, people will have local democracy but will be independent from a European superstate.

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"The spinners will be kicked out", or given a chance they ill deserve and will ruin the recovery?

"UKIP denies 'privatise NHS' claims"
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-30039533

”The UK Independence Party has denied Labour claims it wants to privatise the NHS, saying policies "develop and change over time".”

”In a video that has emerged from 2012, UKIP leader Nigel Farage proposed an "insurance-based system of healthcare".

”Labour leader Ed Miliband attacked UKIP over the NHS and other policy areas in a speech in London, saying the party had "got away with it for too long".

We are not talking about minor issues here e.g. allowing Syrian refugees here, where one moment Farage says let them in, then amends it to Christian Syrians only - we are talking about a core, mainstream policy that any domestic political party worth it's salt, has an ideological stance.

UKIP should at least tell us on this policy flip-flop, how did their NHS policy "develop and change over time" INTO an insurance based system of healthcare - especially at a time during the Great Recession, when the UK citizens could LEAST AFFORD TO PAY THE PREMIUMS???

How very 'in touch' with 'the working man'.

UKIP's entire 2015 General Election manifesto, won't be worth the paper it is printed on.

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Claig .. everything you write about UKIP support, just shows the UKIP scam is working - it no more suggests that it will end well for those voting for a policy and talent less UKIP, than any financial/political pyramid scheme.

If UKIP had substance, it might be a goer, but a UKIP bringing it's current MO of trying to slime their way into popularity by attacking other parties INTO Westminster, will achieve nothing, undemocratically keep us IN the EU, give Scotland the upper hand in devolution talks that will cost every Englander money - and so be history by 2020. Enjoy it while you can.

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Read John Harris of the Guardian. He explains that this is not about policies, that Labour trying to "take apart" UKIP policies is futile, because the people are way beyond that. This is about a revolt against a politically correct elite that has tried to stifle the people. This is about "who is on our side?" This is a resistance from the grassroots. Ordinary people have had enough and the tiny Oxbridge metropolitan elite cannot stop the people. They will be swept away because they are out of touch and disrespected us.

"This is not some bolt from the blue. The two – no, three – party system is in deep crisis. It looks like there is no way back to the world where either Labour or the Tories compete to break through the magic 40% barrier and all is largely well. The Liberal Democrats look to have had it. Meanwhile, Scotland is threatening to pull away from the UK and the result of next year's general election, let alone what will happen in its aftermath, is anyone's guess.

In my hotel room – at a ring-road Travelodge, in case anyone was wondering – a succession of Westminster faces are blathering on the television and I have just received a text message from an activist friend in response to one I sent which read, "I love the smell of toast in the morning". He wrote: "We can all smell the coffee. Ed, Cameron et al refuse to act because it's all about them. How long can it last?"

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/may/23/ukip-success-local-elections-two-party-system-crisis

The EU is collapsing, the bankers have been discredited, the Oxbridge elite, politically correct and disadainful of the people, is out of touch. The elite are moving us into war with Russia. It won't last. It will collapse. Huge changes are coming. The people will win. Clacton was the start, Rochester is next and it won't stop until the modernisers and spinners are gone.

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Claig .. all these reams of other people's opinions writing about the success of the UKIP scam, just shows me that you have no answers to my FACTS, no matter what currently exists in politics, UKIP/Farage that has achieved NOTHING of substance to-date, have no answers to our domestic problems and will get in the way of those that do.

How can in a 2010 time when the country was in crisis, a UKIP who admit everything they wrote in their manifesto was drivel, somehow be the BETTER answer to our problems when the UK is recovering, yet the rest of Europe is on the edge of a TRIPLE dip recession.

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There are only a few journalists that really get it. The Guardian's John Harris is excellent and so is the Telegraph's Peter Oborne, as well as the Mail's Peter Hitchens, but that is about it.

The reason is it is not easy to see what is occurring. It is like looking out to the future through a thick blanket of fog. But if you piece it all together, it starts to make sense. It's not about policy or one thing, it's about everything and it's about the whole last 20 years and all the coming years.

We're on a train and we don't know the destination. John Harris is in the driver's cabin, he can see what lies ahead. He can hear the roar of defiance of the people against this disdainful, elitist political class. He understands human beings. It's about feeling, not facts and figures, opinion polls, policy wonks and think tanks.

"Clacton byelection: the main parties need to hear this roar of defiance"
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Throw any of this stuff at working-class Ukip voters in their eastern English heartlands – which I have, repeatedly – and the same reply tends to come back: “ I don’t care .” Which brings us to something that often eludes people interested in politics, particularly those on the left. As it is lived and breathed by the people who decide elections, politics is not really about consistency, logic, or party policies. Indeed, even the most dried-up commentator or politician’s view of things is also partly built on tribal loyalty, loathing of the other side, moral imperatives that might founder against reality – that bundle of stuff which is such a large part of what makes us human."

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/oct/08/clacton-byelection-parties-defiance-coast-strood-ukip

It's not about policy, it's beyond that, it's about feeling. We're back to the Sex Pistols, we're back to the 1970s before Thatcher came along. We're back to Johnny Rotten's song.

"We're so pretty, oh so pretty, we're vacant .... and we don't care"

That is why this is a revolution and that is why the Establishment's Russell Brand cannot stop it however much the metropolitan elite promote him on BBC Newsnight or elsewhere. It's over.

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'all these reams of other people's opinions'

It's because these other people are very clever people who sense and feel what lies ahead and what is hidden and cannot be seen by us. Listen to them, read them and you will understand what is happening before our eyes but which we cannot see.

The Tories thought they would hold Rochester, they thought it would be easy against "fat arse" Reckless. Tracey Crouch MP said the people of Rochester are more thoughtful than the people of Clacton. None of these people have got a clue.

They should read John Harris of the Guardian, then they might understand where they have gone wrong and what they did wrong and how they disrespected and let the millions of good, decent people down. Then they would understand what is going to come down.

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Claig … All those bright people are reporting, is what they see on the the growth of far right parties, across Europe.
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2638965/Massive-victory-French-far-right-National-Front-record-quarter-vote-Euro-elections.html

But Europe has far bigger economic/financial/social problems than the UK.

“Eurozone dodges triple-dip recession but submerges in 'lost decade’.”
www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11231618/Eurozone-dodges-triple-dip-recession-but-submerges-in-lost-decade.html

”The eurozone has averted a triple-dip recession but remains stuck in a deep structural slump, with too little momentum to create jobs or to stop a relentless rise in debt ratios.”

So in Europe, people wanting all their country problems to go away are voting for far right political parties think they have nothing to lose, whereas in the UK they have the current revovery to lose – and will come to realise that the closer they get to the 2015 General Election.

The fact is UKIP have nothing to offer the people, or the ‘Westminster elite’, Mr Farage in 2015 will try to join for the SEVENTH time.
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ukip/11231687/Nigel-Farage-is-desperate-for-Ukip-to-join-the-cosy-Westminster-clique.html